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#1 giantraddish
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Yahtzee's review of Oblivion is the case in point of why he is a brilliant humorist, but he's not a real game reviewer. He ragged on Oblivion for the entire "review" and Oblivion is an execptional game. Not perfect, not by a longshot. But very good.

Is that video funny? Yes very funny. Does it pick on things Oblivion deserved to be picked on for? OHHH yes, absolutely. Does it give someone who knows nothing about Oblivion a fair overview of the games strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely not.

Yahtzee's reviews are stand up comedy for gamers. His insightful slams on games are a hoot for people who have played the games. He's no help for the virgins. He's funny, insightful, I love his videos.

But, he's not a game reviewer.

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#2 noswear
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Yahtzee's review of Oblivion is the case in point of why he is a brilliant humorist, but he's not a real game reviewer. He ragged on Oblivion for the entire "review" and Oblivion is an execptional game. Not perfect, not by a longshot. But very good.

Is that video funny? Yes very funny. Does it pick on things Oblivion deserved to be picked on for? OHHH yes, absolutely. Does it give someone who knows nothing about Oblivion a fair overview of the games strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely not.

Yahtzee's reviews are stand up comedy for gamers. His insightful slams on games are a hoot for people who have played the games. He's no help for the virgins. He's funny, insightful, I love his videos.

But, he's not a game reviewer.

giantraddish

Here's where I stopped reading. Play Morrowind and say that.

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#3 Piesics
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He's not funny either.
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#4 Fandangle
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Well a review is just an opinion - doesn't have to be fair, balanced or correct.

You are right though for a person who knows nothing about the game he reviews are little help.

However I played Oblivion, and while I wanted it to be all it could be, I was left largely disappointed with the lack of difference with landscape, NPC's, immersion and those bloody gates. I have to say his review is spot on.

And yes I find him funny.

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#5 Xeros606
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okay then. i still dont know why you had to share that with us, its the kind of think most people pick up on after a few episodes.
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#6 Planeforger
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He was far less harsh with Oblivion than I would have been. :|

Anyway, I'd say that he is a reviewer, in the sense that he plays games and then expresses his opinions on how good those games were. Sure, he nitpicks, and generally focuses on the bad design choices, but he also seems to be a lot more honest than most other reviewers.

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#7 Kez1984
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I find him to be funny as well as have many valid points. Check out his Bioshock review, stating the difficulty comparisons, the stuff cut out, did gamespot mention that? Did IGN? Or His Halflife 2: Episode 2 mentioning how sequences are starting to repeat themselves, did gamespot or IGN mention that? Or how Metal Gear Solid 4 has bad controls, how it's badly written and in need of an editor did gamespot or IGN mention that? Every game gets ragged, but he does make valid points. For all the bashing Crysis was getting, he done a pretty objective review imo. gamespot, for it's unfunny reviews, has some of the worste around imo.

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#8 skrat_01
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He is a game reviewer.

and many people agree with his Oblvion review.

Go read the RPG Codex Obliv review.

The guy has been making his own games for a long while now, I think he knows far more about good design than most reviewers.

How many reviewers of Bioshock had actually played through System Shock 2? At least he had.

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#9 SaintJimmmy
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Yahtzee's review of Oblivion is the case in point of why he is a brilliant humorist, but he's not a real game reviewer. He ragged on Oblivion for the entire "review" and Oblivion is an execptional game. Not perfect, not by a longshot. But very good.

Is that video funny? Yes very funny. Does it pick on things Oblivion deserved to be picked on for? OHHH yes, absolutely. Does it give someone who knows nothing about Oblivion a fair overview of the games strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely not.

Yahtzee's reviews are stand up comedy for gamers. His insightful slams on games are a hoot for people who have played the games. He's no help for the virgins. He's funny, insightful, I love his videos.

But, he's not a game reviewer.

giantraddish

hes not a game reviewer cause he dosent agree with the rest of the worlds common thoughts on the game?

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#10 Planeforger
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and many people agree with his Oblvion review.

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I normally entirely agree with his vids, except for his RPG reviews.

For example, I'm fairly certain that he said that Oblivion was extremely deep in one of his videos, and he didn't appear to be joking when he said it. Also, he called The Witcher a MMORPG... :(

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#11 TanKLoveR
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I think hes very funny and he has LOTS of valid points. He points out stuff that 90% of all the reviewers would never dare to say which is why it makes his reviews so good. And even tho he totally bashed one of my favorite games (MGS4) -_- i highly disagreed with that review like u have no idea, i still find his reviews funny and unbiased.
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#12 fatshodan
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I agree that he is not a reviewer to an extent - he does bring up many very legitimate points at times. His BioShock review is his magnum opus - he perfectly sums up the game, and the review is also hilarious.

In some other reviews, he misses vital key points with a game (like with Crysis).

I wouldn't say he's not a reviewer - i'd say he's an inconsistent and possibly bad reviewer. But he reviews, and that really makes him a reviewer by definition.

As for his Oblivion review, ehh. He misses key points, but no part of his review is wrong. I think don't buy Oblivion is a good message to be sending out. Buy Fallout, Baldur's Gate or Bloodlines instead. Hell, buy The Witcher or Mass Effect.

Personally, I think Yahtzee has already frizzled out like a wet firework - his funniest is behind him and his finest reviews are behind him, and he's been on a downward spiral for a long time. He became king of the internet and rightfully so, but he doesn't deserve to keep his crown.

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#13 giantraddish
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Check out his Bioshock review, stating the difficulty comparisons, the stuff cut out, did gamespot mention that? Did IGN? Kez1984

But the Bioshock "review" just supports my point, actually more than the Oblivion one. That video is funny as hell and his slams on Bioshock are completely accurate. But he spends the whole video riffing on Bioshocks faults. Accurate? yep. Fair? sure. Does it give a complete picture of the quality or value of the game? No it does not.

He starts that video by admitting as much. He likes the game, but he's gonna riff on its issues for our entertainment. And actually thats enough reason for me to shut up. He's already pointed out himself that his videos are not about how good or bad the games are. They are about long entertaining riffs on games flaws. I have nothing to add.

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#14 fatshodan
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But the Bioshock "review" just supports my point, actually more than the Oblivion one. That video is funny as hell and his slams on Bioshock are completely accurate. But he spends the whole video riffing on Bioshocks faults. Accurate? yep. Fair? sure. Does it give a complete picture of the quality or value of the game? No it does not.giantraddish

What are the game's key points you feel he missed?

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#15 fireandcloud
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i agree with yahtzee 100% on this review. good on him.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

and many people agree with his Oblvion review.

Planeforger

I normally entirely agree with his vids, except for his RPG reviews.

For example, I'm fairly certain that he said that Oblivion was extremely deep in one of his videos, and he didn't appear to be joking when he said it. Also, he called The Witcher a MMORPG... :(

Yeah true I dont agree with his Witcher review, although it was a Part 1 that never got followed up with a part 2, and if he said oblvion was deep.... yech.
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#17 gamerwiz09
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I usually don't take his reviews too seriously. He knows what he's talking about though, and most of his points are valid. He does seem to go after the worst in games though to the extent of being nitpicky, though he usually balances it out if he likes the game. Whats different about his reviews is most gamers will look past what he finds as faults, and enjoy most of the games that he might not anyway.
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#18 Baranga
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He hates RPGs because they have dialogue:|
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#19 Doom_HellKnight
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Right, he isn't a game reviewer because you disagreed with his Oblivion review. Fair enough...
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#20 napalm_winter
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I think the guy has an interesting schtick and I enjoy watching his reviews but I do think he is overrated and not nearly as funny as his acolytes find him to be. That said, anyone can be a reviewer, but I agree with the OP that he doesn't really offer fair or balanced reviews because likely, they wouldn't be very funny...
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#21 pieatorium
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Yahtzee's review of Oblivion is the case in point of why he is a brilliant humorist, but he's not a real game reviewer. He ragged on Oblivion for the entire "review" and Oblivion is an execptional game. Not perfect, not by a longshot. But very good.

Is that video funny? Yes very funny. Does it pick on things Oblivion deserved to be picked on for? OHHH yes, absolutely. Does it give someone who knows nothing about Oblivion a fair overview of the games strengths and weaknesses. Absolutely not.

Yahtzee's reviews are stand up comedy for gamers. His insightful slams on games are a hoot for people who have played the games. He's no help for the virgins. He's funny, insightful, I love his videos.

But, he's not a game reviewer.

giantraddish

Other than calling it deep he hits pretty much every nail that every other person who didn't find Oblivion to be an exceptional game. Good visuals but bad dialogue and unimmersive with stupid minigames for interaction.

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#22 biggest_loser
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Hmm. Its funny how people here praise his reviews when they agree with them.

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#23 Lonelynight
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I don't think his review should be taken seriously.
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#24 Siofen
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Yea, although he often does make very good points. I love it when he bags on pc gamers and our elitist attitudes which is pretty evident often within these forums. "pc master race" :lol:
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#25 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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He isn't a reviewer and he has never called himself a reviewer. In fact, in a couple of his videos he says what he is. A CRITIC.

There is a difference.

I love watching his videos, and he does point out the bad things in games, what he normally forgets to do however is point out the good things as well.

And I found all his videos funny. Except the webcomic one. That was just terrible =/

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#26 biggest_loser
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He isn't a reviewer and he has never called himself a reviewer. In fact, in a couple of his videos he says what he is. A CRITIC.

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I would like to know difference please sir!

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#27 thusaha
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Well a review is just an opinion - doesn't have to be fair, balanced or correct.

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Agree.
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#28 biggest_loser
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[QUOTE="Fandangle"]

Well a review is just an opinion - doesn't have to be fair, balanced or correct.

thusaha

Agree.

A good review though will still take a look at what other people might think of something such as a game, like who it would actually appeal to even if the reviewer didn't like it.

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#29 deactivated-5b5d7639964d6
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Yahtzee is just a reviewer with high standards that aproaches every game/object/person as a big pile of ****, like he describes "the Guantanamo Bay aproach to video game reviewing", sure he sometimes goes overboard because people don't actually see his reviews for his opinion but to be entertainned, still he speaks the truth and if you cannot accept it that's because you are a fanboy.
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#30 Poshkidney
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I just enjoy listening to someone talk about game who dosen't have an american accent.
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#31 Qixote
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Yahtzee is as much a game critic as any other. Just because he makes fun of your favorite game doesn't make him less qualified to review games; that's just preposterous. And he is hilarious. It's just his style. I disagree with Gamespot reviews as often I do his. But I still make a point to reach or watch them both. It's all about the big picture, not just what a single critic thinks.
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#32 Qixote
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[QUOTE="thusaha"][QUOTE="Fandangle"]

Well a review is just an opinion - doesn't have to be fair, balanced or correct.

biggest_loser

Agree.

A good review though will still take a look at what other people might think of something such as a game, like who it would actually appeal to even if the reviewer didn't like it.

Actually Yahtzee does take that approach. If you regularly watch his videos, you'd know that. He always points out things in a game that other people will love, but he hates. It's just that he takes it a step farther and makes fun of those people.

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#33 deactivated-64ba3ebd35404
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[QUOTE="kieranb2000"]

He isn't a reviewer and he has never called himself a reviewer. In fact, in a couple of his videos he says what he is. A CRITIC.

biggest_loser

I would like to know difference please sir!

You want to know the difference?

YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE DIFFERENCE.

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#34 manic111
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I watch Yahtzee partly becuase he is hilarious, but partly as he points out what is wrong with a game. I take his reviews with a large pinch of salt, and a new pair of pants for when I cack myself laughing, but he is very good at pointing out those little niggly annoying issues which nobody else picks up on.
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I find him to be funny as well as have many valid points. Check out his Bioshock review, stating the difficulty comparisons, the stuff cut out, did gamespot mention that? Did IGN? Or His Halflife 2: Episode 2 mentioning how sequences are starting to repeat themselves, did gamespot or IGN mention that? Or how Metal Gear Solid 4 has bad controls, how it's badly written and in need of an editor did gamespot or IGN mention that? Every game gets ragged, but he does make valid points. For all the bashing Crysis was getting, he done a pretty objective review imo. gamespot, for it's unfunny reviews, has some of the worste around imo.

Kez1984

MGS4 is greatly written IMO he dosen't in his opinion.

same for the countrols I think their fine.

also I never thought Halflife episode 2 ever "repeated" itself since most of the areas I thought were very diffrent and had many diffrent puzzles.

I reviewer dpsen't have to list all the facts if he dosen't want to and infact he could be biased as hell and its not like anyones gonna go to his house and shoot him.

and No he isn't a game reviewer IMO their all his opinion's on the games since if yer trying to get a guy to review an RPG who dosen't like RPG's then were not going to see a fair review.

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#36 biggest_loser
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"][QUOTE="thusaha"][QUOTE="Fandangle"]

Well a review is just an opinion - doesn't have to be fair, balanced or correct.

Qixote

Agree.

A good review though will still take a look at what other people might think of something such as a game, like who it would actually appeal to even if the reviewer didn't like it.

Actually Yahtzee does take that approach. If you regularly watch his videos, you'd know that. He always points out things in a game that other people will love, but he hates. It's just that he takes it a step farther and makes fun of those people.

I don't watch his reviews: I was just saying to Fandangle that a better review does indeed have to be balanced to a degree.

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#37 skrat_01
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Hmm. Its funny how people here praise his reviews when they agree with them.

biggest_loser

Its like any reviewer.

Take Jeff for instance, people hated him, and then loved him depending on his reviews. And then of course, he was fired and everyone who hated him suddenly loved him.

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#38 190586385885857957282413308806
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Calling him a reviewer is like calling Colbert or Stewart real news anchors. They're pretty much mock up of the regular jobs.

imo reviews are supposed to influence your purchase decision and I would never buy or not buy a game depending on Yahtzee's reviews.

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#39 Qixote
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Given his explosive popularity within the last year among the gaming community, I'd say he is a very successful game critic. Many gamers desperately want to know "I wonder what Yahtzee thinks of this game. . ." Accept it or not, it is true.
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I disagreed in that there are so many things in Oblivion he could have picked up on but didn't.

Despite some people thinking that toned down console trash is the best RPG ever; opinion is quite divided, if it was just a new game to you then you won't understand why some Morrowind players have issues with the game.

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#41 cmdrmonkey
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In addition to being funny, he puts out some of the most insightful and brutally honest reviews you're going to find, unlike mainstream review sites which must cater to their advertisers and will rarely come out and tell you that a game is crap (see Jeff Gerstmann for an example of what happens when mainstream reviewers decide to be honest).

I also like how he doesn't give games an arbitrary number for a review score. He simply tells you what he liked and didn't like, and whether or not they are worth playing.

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#42 Ein-7919
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Also, he called The Witcher a MMORPG... :( Planeforger

I gotta point this out: he didn't call it a MMORPG...he called it a single-player MMORPG for 3 key reasons: single click combat, random pick up y of item x and return to z quests, and "endless drudging from place to place."

As for him ragging on games, he does make a point after his Psychonauts video: people don't like it when he actually praises a game. And after his Psychonauts video, he tempers every moment of praising a game with 3-5 things he doesn't like about said game.

Oh, and how can you not find humor in those 5 little words: "Out front...20 minutes...pufferfish."

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#43 DeathHeart95
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Well, if somebody does take his reviews seriously... they need help.

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#44 fireandcloud
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Well, if somebody does take his reviews seriously... they need help.

DeathHeart95

you take it with a grain of salt, but you should take it seriously. he does make some very valid points on all his reviews.

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[QUOTE="DeathHeart95"]

Well, if somebody does take his reviews seriously... they need help.

fireandcloud

you take it with a grain of salt, but you should take it seriously. he does make some very valid points on all his reviews.

but every single game made in existance can be picked apart and made fun of so it's not like it's a hard thing he's doing nor is it insightful or helpful in any way... it's just funny

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#46 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="Planeforger"]Also, he called The Witcher a MMORPG... :( Ein-7919

I gotta point this out: he didn't call it a MMORPG...he called it a single-player MMORPG for 3 key reasons: single click combat, random pick up y of item x and return to z quests, and "endless drudging from place to place."

As for him ragging on games, he does make a point after his Psychonauts video: people don't like it when he actually praises a game. And after his Psychonauts video, he tempers every moment of praising a game with 3-5 things he doesn't like about said game.

Oh, and how can you not find humor in those 5 little words: "Out front...20 minutes...pufferfish."

He seemed to have all praise for the Orange Box.
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#47 fireandcloud
Member since 2005 • 5118 Posts
[QUOTE="fireandcloud"][QUOTE="DeathHeart95"]

Well, if somebody does take his reviews seriously... they need help.

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you take it with a grain of salt, but you should take it seriously. he does make some very valid points on all his reviews.

but every single game made in existance can be picked apart and made fun of so it's not like it's a hard thing he's doing nor is it insightful or helpful in any way... it's just funny

hmm... i personally think he makes some valid points in all his reviews. like i wrote, i do take it with a grain of salt, but it's often helpful to me to hear criticisms of games to know whether or not i'll like them. maybe that's just me, but i find his reviews to be some of the most helpful in understanding the games' major faults and deciding whether or not they're something i can live with.

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#48 Benihana7
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While it might be a wrong classification, I've always thought of Yahtzee as somewhat of a satirist.
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#49 Ein-7919
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He seemed to have all praise for the Orange Box.skrat_01

Half-Life2 Episode 2: Gameplay elements are beginning to repeat itself (gravity gun puzzles) - "Yes, you made a physics engine...well done..."

Team Fortress 2: 3 maps - "Capture the flag in a desert environment, Capture the flag in an industrial environment, and capture the flag in an industrial environment in a desert environment."

Portal: It's short..."But it doesn't overstay its welcome" (this is the only part of the Orange Box package that he doesn't rag on)

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I think his review of The Witcher is a prime example of how he isn't such a great reviewer. He complains that the game is too complex, and this is after he complains about Halo and Bioshock being too dumbed-down. It was also obvious that he only played the first chapter fo the game. Seriously, how can you review a game if you haven't even played through the game? Its like writing a review on a game after playing the demo.