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#1 korpdawg
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PS2, xbox, gamecube.  When they are set to output at 16:9 format/ widescreen they look blurry when the aspect ratio of my tv is set to full screen.  It only looks crisp in 4:3

Panasonic 32" LCD HD

Any advice?

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I think that's your TV stretching the screen to make it wide. What happens if you try a game that can support 16:9. Does it look OK then.
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bump. They are irritating and I don't understand why this happens. Certain widescreen movies are the same too.
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I think that's your TV stretching the screen to make it wide. What happens if you try a game that can support 16:9. Does it look OK then. ScreamDream

Final fantasy 12, under options its set to widescreen 16:9.

PS2 system config at startup set to 16:9

The TV is set to full but it looks blurry. At 4:3 it looks crisp and I"m not losing anything on the sides or top/bottom.

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What cables are you using? Seems like it's your TV. Have you called Panasonic support?

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It was a long wait last time I tried. Figured I'd try the forums.  But I'm just using the component cables (yellow, white, red). Guess I'll give them a call.
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bump. They are irritating and I don't understand why this happens. Certain widescreen movies are the same too.korpdawg


Thats because it that is the aspect the movie is recorded in. You cant change that.
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#10 ILIKEF250
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It was a long wait last time I tried. Figured I'd try the forums.  But I'm just using the component cables (yellow, white, red). Guess I'll give them a call.korpdawg

You are using composite cables not component.  Its a big difference.  Component is (blue, green, red) for video and (yellow, red) for audio.

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[QUOTE="ScreamDream"]I think that's your TV stretching the screen to make it wide. What happens if you try a game that can support 16:9. Does it look OK then. korpdawg

Final fantasy 12, under options its set to widescreen 16:9.

PS2 system config at startup set to 16:9

The TV is set to full but it looks blurry. At 4:3 it looks crisp and I"m not losing anything on the sides or top/bottom.

how is it connected to the tv, are you useing component(5 connector cord ) or the regular av, (white, red, yellow)?
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PS2, xbox, gamecube.  When they are set to output at 16:9 format/ widescreen they look blurry when the aspect ratio of my tv is set to full screen.  It only looks crisp in 4:3

Panasonic 32" LCD HD

Any advice?

korpdawg
\ i think you need these then http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10009315&catid=10940
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bump. They are irritating and I don't understand why this happens. Certain widescreen movies are the same too.

The game doesn't support 16:9 mode, or your system is not set to 16:9 Can you tell us which certain movies? Before 2000 certain companies like Fox and disney did a lot of laserdisc rehashes that were non-anamorphic (4:3 widescreen). And if you're using the yellow/red/white, your TV can't detect the anamorphic flag on the signal, nor are you getting the progressive scan advantage. Buy the component cables
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Yeah I guess I'll have to look for the RGB component setup.  Hopefully there is one that can hook up all my systems because I only have one component input on my tv and thats for my 360.

But as far as which movies, just to name a few. X-men the last stand widescreen collectors edition and Blade Trinity widescreen.  These have black bars top/bottom.

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Also thats 33$ for component just for the ps2. Does madcatz or something make one that connects all?

And is there a big enough improvement.  Also assuming the ps3 gets some good games I will most likely pick it up which will render this 33 dollar investment worthless.

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But as far as which movies, just to name a few. X-men the last stand widescreen collectors edition and Blade Trinity widescreen. These have black bars top/bottom.

This question gets asked a thousand times a day. It's supposed to be that way. Those movies are 2.35:1 ratio, and your TV is 1.78:1 No, they're not going to stop using the scope ratio, no there's nothign wrong with your TV, you're seeing the movie the way it's supposed to be seen. If the black bars bother you, turn off your lights. Yes, there are component cables for cheaper prices, check gamestop, and get a component switchbox while your'e there. That should solve the problems. LCDs really don't like standard interlaced signals to much ,so go component wherever possible, and make sure to set your console to output it(read your manual)
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#17 smurfah15
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Yeah I guess I'll have to look for the RGB component setup.  Hopefully there is one that can hook up all my systems because I only have one component input on my tv and thats for my 360.

But as far as which movies, just to name a few. X-men the last stand widescreen collectors edition and Blade Trinity widescreen.  These have black bars top/bottom.

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I get the exact same thing the width is okay the the height is screwed up that the ps2's fault, when its set to 16:9 or reg, use a dvd player set it to widescreen and you'll be okay
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Also thats 33$ for component just for the ps2. Does madcatz or something make one that connects all?

And is there a big enough improvement.  Also assuming the ps3 gets some good games I will most likely pick it up which will render this 33 dollar investment worthless.

korpdawg

A few things:

A) What Kodai says about movie playback is correct. While your TV is widescreen, some films are filmed in an even wider aspect than your TV. Black horizontal bars are normal in this circumstance.

B) Yes there are universal component cables, but that depends on what you mean by connects "all." If you're talking last-gen consoles, then yes there's a cable that Gamestop carries that will connect PS2 and Xbox (with stereo sound only). If you are talking current gen consoles, I've seen newer ones that will do PS2/PS3, 360 and Wii, but they have a manual switch on them to switch between which console you want to use. This brings me to...

C) If you are planning on purchasing a PS3 at some point then you investment in a component cable doesn't have to be wasted as the PS2 and PS3 use the same component cables. The only reason this would be a waste would be if you planned on using HDMI on the PS3 instead.

D) Finally, while component cables will help the picture you get our of your PS2 on a widescreen HDTV there are limits to how much it will help. With the exception of Gran Turismo 4 for the PS2, I don't know of a single game for that console that supports a widescreen siganl. Sure, many have a widescreen option in-game, but all that does is change the field of view to reflect the wider display. The original signal is still 480i/p (a 4:3 aspect ratio image) stretched across a 16:9 set. If the game supports a "widescreen" mode in-game, then use a normal stretch on your TV (i.e. evenly stretched across the whole display). If the game does not, use a "smart" stretch (indended for watching SDTV signals on HDTVs, these modes intelligently stretch less towards the middle of the image and stretch progressively more the closer you are to the edge).

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[QUOTE="korpdawg"]It was a long wait last time I tried. Figured I'd try the forums.  But I'm just using the component cables (yellow, white, red). Guess I'll give them a call.ILIKEF250

You are using composite cables not component.  Its a big difference.  Component is (blue, green, red) for video and (yellow, red) for audio.

Actually, you can use composite as component. They are the same cables and connectors. Of course you'd have to run your audio with optical or something else.
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Actually, you can use composite as component. They are the same cables and connectors. Of course you'd have to run your audio with optical or something else.

Not with the game systems, unless there are the RCA type jacks on the connnector. Certainly won't work on the playstations or 360
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Well, for the PS3 I'd use HDMI (cuz its the best), 360 uses component.  What sucks is the tv I have only has one component, one HDMI (which I use for my dvd player), and 3 composite.  I'll need to buy a universal thing of some sort.  But I suppose I'll just deal with it for now.  I bought this 32" tv to use through college and after I'm done was going to get a monster 60" or so.

I'd like to get the xbox/ps2 component but only if there is a switch thing so I don't have to reach behind and unplug 5 cables any time I want to switch. 

http://www.gamestop.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=801888

I can't see any more pics of this.  It appears too small to plug in 3 sets of component cables but does anyone have this?  Does the  quality suffer?

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#22 korpdawg
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So if I purchase this (link) and then the ps2/xbox component setup. I'm running about 30 bucks or so, but I'll be able to hook up the 360/xbox/ps2 with these devices and be able to run widescreen/ better quality picture.

http://www.amazon.com/Pelican-Accessories-PL-970-Selector-4-consoles/dp/B0006TIA7K/sr=1-1/qid=1172684872/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-1082237-7498404?ie=UTF8&s=videogames

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Well, like I said there -are- universal component cables that you can buy that won't require switching depending on exactly what consoles you have. What consoles do you have that you are trying to connect to your TV, how many inputs (and what type of each) does your TV have and what's currently using them?

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My tv has one component (RGB and audio), 3 composite(YWR), and one HDMI. 

I have a 360, xbox, ps2, gamecube. 

360 uses the component.

PS2/xbox/gamecube use composite.  I'd like to game in widescreen but it is not extremely important.  But I DON'T want to switch cables from the back of the tv.

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I love black bars and widescreen, the general public just has to stop complaining.
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You can get widescreen with any connector. You just may need to switch it to that mode manually, as it'll only auto-switch over component. Sure you don't have any S-Video? that'll give you a lot better pic than composite
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#27 korpdawg
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I do have S-video for the xbox, and for games its still blurry when I switch it to full-screen.  Better quality in 4:3

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#28 Kodai_kun
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is your Xbox and the games set to 16:9 though?

Near as I can tell your "blurry" problem is because you're blowing up the image.

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#29 Byshop  Moderator
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is your Xbox and the games set to 16:9 though?

Near as I can tell your "blurry" problem is because you're blowing up the image.

Kodai_kun

It'll be blown up on nearly every game on a last-gen console. Nearly every game on the PS2 and Xbox output at a max of 480p. While the game's aspect can be adjusted in some titles, the signal is still 4:3 regardless. There are exceptions to the rule, but only maybe as many as a dozen or two between the two consoles (Gran Turismo 4 for PS2, Soul Calibur for Xbox (although it doesn't support widescreen in 720p mode), Dragon's Lair for Xbox, Enter the Matrix for Xbox, several sports titles for Xbox).

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It'll be blown up on nearly every game on a last-gen console. Nearly every game on the PS2 and Xbox output at a max of 480p. While the game's aspect can be adjusted in some titles, the signal is still 4:3 regardless. There are exceptions to the rule, but only maybe as many as a dozen or two between the two consoles (Gran Turismo 4 for PS2, Soul Calibur for Xbox (although it doesn't support widescreen in 720p mode), Dragon's Lair for Xbox, Enter the Matrix for Xbox, several sports titles for Xbox).

I was thinking that he was adding distortion by stretching a 4:3 image and that was causing part of his problem.
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So there isn't really a point to getting component cables because only a few games will use widescreen output? The image will still be stretched?
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So there isn't really a point to getting component cables because only a few games will use widescreen output? The image will still be stretched?
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#33 Kodai_kun
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lots of Xbox games support widescreen output Here's a database http://www.hdtvarcade.com/hdtvforum/index.php?s=51c94745e54a88795cd4dd5be639a31c&autocom=custom&page=hdlists