I dont know, bad company 2 was not, i bet metro 2033 will not have either and it was mainly a pc developed game. Wherever crysis 2 will have prone depends on how much attention they will put on the game. I dont know about crysis 2 but i can tell you that crysis 3 will not be balanced for lean. Anyway crysis was one of the few games that leaning was actually pretty damn good.
How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/
How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/Iantheone
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/lucfonzy
Try telling that to Infinity Ward and Dice brah!
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp.
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/kieranb2000
Try telling that to Infinity Ward and Dice brah!
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp.
In multiplayer maybe, but we're talking about an epic SP experience here. What's wrong with adding.. no.. KEEPING the diversity of movement in games?
What's with all this removing of game features at the moment? I say consoles are de-evolving gaming. We're going backwards!
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/lucfonzy
Try telling that to Infinity Ward and Dice brah!
Im fine if it isnt in a game, but they shouldnt blame it on "balance". If they said that it made the game more fun without it then I would be happy with their decision.
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/Iantheone
Try telling that to Infinity Ward and Dice brah!
Im fine if it isnt in a game, but they shouldnt blame it on "balance". If they said that it made the game more fun without it then I would be happy with their decision.
Well.. seeing as the first Crysis had lean, and it certainly added to the game mechanics, what reason would they have to remove it for the sequel? Maybe if the game mechanics are completely overhauled.
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp.
In multiplayer maybe, but we're talking about an epic SP experience here. What's wrong with adding.. no.. KEEPING the diversity of movement in games?
What's with all this removing of game features at the moment? I say consoles are de-evolving gaming. We're going backwards!
But we're going backwards removing features that were never particularly useful int he first place. The only games I can think of that actually used Prone effectively were the MGS games, and those were console games xD I will admit that the decreasing number of games with Lean in them is saddening though. Especially Fear 2 =[
Haha lol. I suspect , seeing from the recent footage, that it will have a similar gunplay to BC2 (wich is a bad thing). I think it won't be balanced for lean. But unlike MW2 and BC2 i am sure that it will have mod support to correct these kinda crap.
But this is a FPS, you expect certain things from them don't you?
And your argument that MGS was the only real game that used prone effectively, i think Crysis fits there.
Crysis is based around tackling any situation how YOU, the gamer, want to tackle it, including stealth. Prone is a big part of stealth is it not? As is lean for taking cover fire.
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp.
In multiplayer maybe, but we're talking about an epic SP experience here. What's wrong with adding.. no.. KEEPING the diversity of movement in games?
What's with all this removing of game features at the moment? I say consoles are de-evolving gaming. We're going backwards!
I agree but cant say it hurt that much. Oh well you know gamedevelopers nowadays, consoles get 90% attention and pc versions get 10% its not like its something new, they just axe out whatever is not necessary in favor of the console version, it just that it never was that "obvious" before.
LOL simple logic and experiance people, if crysis 2 sells very well on consoles, then gamedevelopers will start favoring the consoles and they will start lowering the pc focus of the future version. Just like it happen to cod. So crysis 3 will be released in a more consolized era and therefore it will lack more futures, its almost sure it will lack things like lean and such. Can you honestly think otherwise when you take a look around on what pc oriented features the gamedevelopers are taking out and get away with it?
[QUOTE="kieranb2000"] Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp.kieranb2000
In multiplayer maybe, but we're talking about an epic SP experience here. What's wrong with adding.. no.. KEEPING the diversity of movement in games?
What's with all this removing of game features at the moment? I say consoles are de-evolving gaming. We're going backwards!
But we're going backwards removing features that were never particularly useful int he first place. The only games I can think of that actually used Prone effectively were the MGS games, and those were console games xD I will admit that the decreasing number of games with Lean in them is saddening though. Especially Fear 2 =[
I find prone to be absolutely essential in most FPS games. It's the only way you can take a stealthy approach. I really don't like the cover mechanics lots of games are employing these days. I prefer crouch/prone/lean. When I play without prone I find myself constantly thinking "this situation would be ideal for going prone". Crysis Wars was great, you could go prone and be invisible, great for stealth gameplay. BF2142 with recon was the same.
[QUOTE="chandu83"][QUOTE="dakan45"]I dont know about crysis 2 but i can tell you that crysis 3 will not be balanced for lean.Macutchi
How in the name of f*@# can you say that Crysis 3 will or will not have anything? Sometimes you just pull stuff right out your behind.
lol
I love how he knows what is going to happen with Crysis 3, that takes some serious psychic ability. Dakan no matter what your logic is, you have no clue what will be going down with the third.
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
LOL simple logic and experiance people, if crysis 2 sells very well on consoles, then gamedevelopers will start favoring the consoles and they will start lowering the pc focus of the future version. Just like it happen to cod. So crysis 3 will be released in a more consolized era and therefore it will lack more futures, its almost sure it will lack things like lean and such. Can you honestly think otherwise when you take a look around on what pc oriented features the gamedevelopers are taking out and get away with it?dakan45
I bet it flops on consoles hard though, well atleast in cryteks eyes.
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
dakan45
would you stop being so overly negative, my god. Why do you even own a gaming rig?
I bet it flops on consoles hard though, well atleast in cryteks eyes.kevy619
Depends on how they make it, if its like the first i doubt it will do well but if they "mainstream it" it will sucseed. Most consolites will buy it just for the graphics.
would you stop being so overly negative, my god. Why do you even own a gaming rig?kevy619
Not my fault, after all those things i have seen lately on how low attention the gamedevelopers spend on the pc version, its only logical to expect things to get worse. I am getting familiarized with it. But in this case it might be a good thing since i did not like the first crysis much. If they "mainstream" or simplify crysis 2 then i might like it more than the first.
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
kevy619
would you stop being so overly negative, my god. Why do you even own a gaming rig? He blames console ports for ruining PC gaming, and yet think MW2 is the best game ever.
Wouldn't surprise me if they added the abillity to lean and peek around corners as it looks like you'll be running around in the Back alleys and streets of New York.
[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]Yes, Crysis 2 will have lean, they discussed it in Edge. XPierreKirbyX
What about expansive environments and vehicles ? Do you have a link to the article? All we know is that the demo level that was shown off to the press was played through twice in very different ways.
I really doubt that Crytek will axe prone and lean from Crysis 2. I would have never finished the first Crysis game without prone :P (Yea, I proned like i never before in any FPS with the aid of CLOAK ENGAGED )
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
chandu83
You were talking specifics. Like you actually know. I mean if I made a prediction of Mass Effect 3 or Half Life 3, without knowing a damn thing - how credible is that? Crysis 2 isn't even out yet, and you think you know about Crysis 3? Thanks for reporting me by the way, you small person.
i got a moderation for putting lol.
anyway on topic they cant remove prone from crysis it was an integral part of the first game. there should be enough buttons on the console joypads to incorporate lean and prone
If it does have a cover system as you say, it better not switch you out into 3rd person like RB6 did, i mean i liked it in RB6 but you can't put that into crysis!
I read about some sort of cover implementation, (in the first game you weapon reacts to the walls and obstacles) and seems that they will go more deep around this way. If you look the GDC CryEngine 3 trailer you will look as the enemies uses the cover and the feature is explicit cited in the vid (1'08" to 1'14") :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB5tx4ZwCxc
But I doubt that the third person view would be part of the game, is a feature easily available in Crysis & Warhead through console commands but IMO the feeling of the gameplay is worse than in first person view.
A cover system like in Medal of Honor or Call of Juarez would be nice. Killzone 2 has a similar system, right? It feels very natural and allows more freedom than simply leaning and crouching.
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
chandu83
would you stop being so overly negative, my god. Why do you even own a gaming rig? He blames console ports for ruining PC gaming, and yet think MW2 is the best game ever. Atleast mw2 has a proper mouse aiming, unlike some other games like call of juarez bound in blood. The truth is that if half the multiplats were as good ports as mw2, the multiplats will be better on pc. MW2 is not the terrible port you people make it sound like. It has solid control and settings to tweak the engine is optimized and plays well. While there are multiplats with problematic aiming and lack of visual settings appart from resolution. So its a fine port, you people complain too much for the lack of lean and dedicated servers, which is essentially how almost all multiplatform fps are, fear 2, wolfenstein etc,etc. Anyway i hope crysis 2 will have lean. The fact that hey discussed about it, sadly does not clearly say that there wil be a lean in the final release, i remember hearing that dice will add lean in bad company 2 but it did not happen. So i would prefer not to hype myself wherever it will have or not in order not to get dissapointed or furious like most people when they discovered that mw2 did not. Anyway i hope it will have lean. Anyway i hope crysis
A cover system like in Medal of Honor or Call of Juarez would be nice. Killzone 2 has a similar system, right? It feels very natural and allows more freedom than simply leaning and crouching.
Baranga
Men of valor had a nice one, kinda similar to Moh Airborne, but it felt more like leaning than taking cover. Something like that would be nice since it would work well on both console and pc control scheme.
[QUOTE="Iantheone"]How can lean be balanced? Its just leaning, its not like it gives you any extra damage or anything. Same with prone. Its just a different way of movement. If they can do it, you can do it, therefore it is balanced =/kieranb2000
Try telling that to Infinity Ward and Dice brah!
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp. And in what world does a sniper run around in the open?.. :? people these days have a hard time accepting that camping and sniping go hand in hand.
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
dakan45
just because its not the way you like games does not mean its main stream...
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
07pops07
just because its not the way you like games does not mean its main stream... Really i was under the impression that mainstreaming = simplification and cod games are what the most casual gamers play....oh wait you said that they wont turn the game like that? i just said that if they turn them into.... You know what? I got no idea what you are trying to say, please explain me what you mean?
Have Dice EVER put Lean into a game? O.o And prone is a welcome exclusion for me. Makes it much harder for snipers to camp. And in what world does a sniper run around in the open?.. :? people these days have a hard time accepting that camping and sniping go hand in hand.
If there' no killcam and the sniper finds a good hiding spot, it's hard for you to kill him. COJ's cover could work indeed!
You deny the fact that a future mutliplatform release will be more consolish than the previous? I am sorry but i am not even gonna argue with that, its so obvious that everyone should know but i am really not gonna argue when you think that mass effect 2 is not more consolized than the first...ehh mainstreamed, call it mainstream if you wish but so will crysis 2 be more consolized/mainstream/simpistic than the first and the third wil be even more and that applies with ALL games, it should have become common knowledge by now that games will get even more consolish/mainstream/simplistic as the years go by.
dakan45
just because its not the way you like games does not mean its main stream... Really i was under the impression that mainstreaming = simplification and cod games are what the most casual gamers play....oh wait you said that they wont turn the game like that? i just said that if they turn them into.... You know what? I got no idea what you are trying to say, please explain me what you mean? casual gamers play wii sports not call of duty 0.o
What do you say? Will Crysis 2 have lean and prone?
Crysis is being designed with consoles in mind first, PC second. So I say no. Some will say this is not true, but I would point them to Cervat Yerli's comments regarding the first game and his disappointment in sales and piracy. Crytek will not, WILL NOT, take any chances on this. Consolers are stoked about this coming to their platform and Crytek cannot afford to disappointment them. They can however afford to disappoint PC gamers.
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