[QUOTE="WARxSnake"][QUOTE="Ein-7919"][QUOTE="WARxSnake"]the only benefit to using 64 vista is that it is able to allocate more than 2GB of ram for single processes. however, no game uses more than or close to 2GB of ram yet so 64bit vista is useless. there are also countless benchmarks for games like crysis that compare the game on both vista version x86 and x64 and there is no difference at all.
not to mention vista 64 is a chore.
Ein-7919
Issue 1) The limit for non-64 bit OS memory allocation is 3GB, not 2.
Issue 2) While no single game will use your 3+ GB of RAM, your OS, any background applications, and any cross-network file-sharing apps WILL use that RAM. So while you won't get a direct result between amount of RAM and how much RAM your game is using, the indirect improvements will be sufficient.
Remember, computer gaming doesn't happen on an OS vacuum. However, with all that said, bear in mind, for the near future, any more than 4GB should be reserved for video/photo editing, and not for gaming purposes only.
1. i said vista 64 lets you allocate 3GB to a single program, i did not say something like "vista 64 finally lets you use 3GB of RAM".
2. really? i never knew!
Re 1. No, you said that 64-bit allows you to allocate more than 2...here, I'll remind you:
the only benefit to using 64 vista is that it is able to allocate more than 2GB of ram for single processes.
WARxSnake
By that wording, 32-bit falls under your criteria as well. I was clarifying your statement to say that 64-bit is 3+...NOT 2+ (although, if you want to get semantic about it, 3+ gets swept up in 2+ as well...but the disambiguation lies in saying 3+ instead of 2+).
Re 2. Sarcastic remarks aside, your argument about games not utilizing that 3+ GB of RAM is asinine. Of course games by themselves aren't going to use all that RAM. But all those other processes combined with whatever game(s) you are running will. So, your statement of:
however, no game uses more than or close to 2GB of ram yet so 64bit vista is useless
WARxSnake
is blatantly false.
you are over-complicating everything i said to prove that you know more about RAM than I do. fine. go ahead. Being that I use zbrush, 3dsmax and photoshop all together daily along with all the other processes such as itunes and firefox which alone tends to use half a GB of ram, I surely must know nothing about RAM. I also must know nothing about game engines and how they use system ram and video ram given the fact that I work i ngame developement.
no game uses or needs more than 2GB of ram. The simplest way of proving this is that most games are multiplatform or if they are made for PC, they are at least comparable to a console game in terms of system requirements. How do you compare a PC game supposedly requiring more than 2GB of ram to a game on PS3 which is limited to 256megs of system ram. or shared 512DDR ram on the 360?
again, you are taking what I'm saying, changing it to fit your argument, and proving me wrong. this is retarded, and I wont waste my time any further on it.
I've explained twice through this stupid argument that no game ITSELF (i.e. the game process) will use 2GB of ram. I never brought other system processes into my argument because it should be blatantly obvious to any self-respecting PC gamer that there will always be RAM required by other processes even while you run your game. If you think I or anyone else on this board doesnt already know that, you are either treating us as really..really stupid, or you are just stating the obvious for whatever reason. You even quoted me and I obviously say NO GAME ALONE (ie ITSELF) uses more than or close to 2GB of ram, yet you continue to afirm that "Of course games by themselves aren't going to use all that RAM. But all those other processes combined with whatever game(s) you are running will."
I'll say again, no game process alone (i.e. BF2.exe, HL2.exe, COD4sp.exe, etc) will use more than 2GB of ram, thus thinking that you need more for gaming is not smart.
And I know what OSes are capable of reading in terms of memory available. I have 3 workstations at home, one of them uses vista 32 and runs on 3GB of ram. Granted all the processes will share the 3GB of ram, but no process alone can take advantage of most of that ram.
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