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#1 prlyknitswtr
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I have another thread in the Hardware forum but i wanted to post this here. I just pieced together a new machine Intel dual core 2.4 yadda yadda yadda...my question is, i am getting windows xp pro 64bit and was curious if there are games that DO NOT run on this OS. Excuse me if that is a dumb question but im not familiar with 64bit.

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#2 adrake4183
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Well there have certainly been problems in the past but I think any new game will run in 64 bit. Older games can be a problem though.
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#3 prlyknitswtr
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i guess i will see what im getting myself into :-)
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#4 DanielDust
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If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

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#5 simardbrad
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If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

DanielDust

stop spreading your lies!

I have XP Pro x64 and I've had no problems with drivers, stabilitiy or software. If you want to run into problems, go ahead and get vista. Visturd can't even run a lot of games even on its 32 bit version.

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#6 prlyknitswtr
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im looking up how to do a dual boot. i found a good tutorial showing how to install Vista when Xp is installed FIRST.
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#7 simardbrad
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im looking up how to do a dual boot. i found a good tutorial showing how to install Vista when Xp is installed FIRST.prlyknitswtr
When I wanted to dual boot vista in this way I simply had XP x64 installed, then I popped in the vista cd and installed it to another partition. Then it'll automatically only start vista, so you download Easy BCD then add XP x64 as a dual boot entry and it will bring the boot manager up when you start your pc instead of directly going into vista.
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#8 prlyknitswtr
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since i have 2 difference hard drives. couldnt i just install one on each drive? would i be able to do this with the master/slave set up or would each one have to be primary? (connect sata/power cords to each drive independently depending on which OS i want to use)
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If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

DanielDust
My current rig: MSI P45 based motherboard + C2D E8400 + 4Gig DDR2 + 160 Gig SATA + ATi hd4850 -> all are working fast, stable under winXP 64bit from past 6 months. No crash, lockups, BSOD etc. Games like starcraft, warcraft, red alert 2 etc. working without any hitch. post 2003 releases are working very good. Softwares like, VirtualBox, antivirus, media players, Java development IDE etc. working fine. Please don't mislead others if you don't have supporting proofs.
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#10 simardbrad
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since i have 2 difference hard drives. couldnt i just install one on each drive? would i be able to do this with the master/slave set up or would each one have to be primary? (connect sata/power cords to each drive independently depending on which OS i want to use)prlyknitswtr
You could just install xp to HDD1 and vista to HDD2 I'm not sure about the whole master/slave ordeal since I have SATA2 drives and they don't have to worry about that.
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#11 prlyknitswtr
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yea master/slave is with the IDE drives. same **** different connector haha, well im sure its different but not sure how exactly. i think i'll put xp64 on the 160gb drive and vista on the 350gb drive. right now i have 2gb of ddr2 800 ram but my board supports 4gm so i'll just go that route. i should be good with a 4gb system as no games are even recommending that amount yet.
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#12 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

arijit_2404
My current rig: MSI P45 based motherboard + C2D E8400 + 4Gig DDR2 + 160 Gig SATA + ATi hd4850 -> all are working fast, stable under winXP 64bit from past 6 months. No crash, lockups, BSOD etc. Games like starcraft, warcraft, red alert 2 etc. working without any hitch. post 2003 releases are working very good. Softwares like, VirtualBox, antivirus, media players, Java development IDE etc. working fine. Please don't mislead others if you don't have supporting proofs.

Yes, I have proof, my own experience, I still use it on my other PC ( P4 3.2 ghz,, 7600GT, 1 gb of RAM), patched up, service pack 3, still has problems. Simardbrad, you're not even worth the time to argue if you say Visturd :roll:.
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[QUOTE="arijit_2404"][QUOTE="DanielDust"]

If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

DanielDust
My current rig: MSI P45 based motherboard + C2D E8400 + 4Gig DDR2 + 160 Gig SATA + ATi hd4850 -> all are working fast, stable under winXP 64bit from past 6 months. No crash, lockups, BSOD etc. Games like starcraft, warcraft, red alert 2 etc. working without any hitch. post 2003 releases are working very good. Softwares like, VirtualBox, antivirus, media players, Java development IDE etc. working fine. Please don't mislead others if you don't have supporting proofs.

Yes, I have proof, my own experience, I still use it on my other PC ( P4 3.2 ghz,, 7600GT, 1 gb of RAM), patched up, service pack 3, still has problems. Simardbrad, you're not even worth the time to argue if you say Visturd :roll:.

hahahah right here I call your bluff and phoney lies. XP x64 doesn't have SP3 so you are lying right there. Second of all, why the f*ck would you use XP x64 with 1gb of ram, that would probably be why you have so many problems.
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When using X64 XP there are only a few anti-virus programs you can use (AVG and Avast). But if you know computers you wont need any anti-virus programs Oh, and you can't play Max Payne games on x64 XP pro.
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#15 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="arijit_2404"] My current rig: MSI P45 based motherboard + C2D E8400 + 4Gig DDR2 + 160 Gig SATA + ATi hd4850 -> all are working fast, stable under winXP 64bit from past 6 months. No crash, lockups, BSOD etc. Games like starcraft, warcraft, red alert 2 etc. working without any hitch. post 2003 releases are working very good. Softwares like, VirtualBox, antivirus, media players, Java development IDE etc. working fine. Please don't mislead others if you don't have supporting proofs.simardbrad
Yes, I have proof, my own experience, I still use it on my other PC ( P4 3.2 ghz,, 7600GT, 1 gb of RAM), patched up, service pack 3, still has problems. Simardbrad, you're not even worth the time to argue if you say Visturd :roll:.

hahahah right here I call your bluff and phoney lies. XP x64 doesn't have SP3 so you are lying right there. Second of all, why the f*ck would you use XP x64 with 1gb of ram, that would probably be why you have so many problems.

First of all, XP has SP 3. all versions of it, it automatically update it to SP 3 (it says SP 3 in the CP, it's enough for me, don't really care, since I use Vista on my "main" PC), second, are you on something? it's XP, it uses 100 mb of RAM, "IT" uses, in case you haven't noticed it isn't for games, amount of ram=/= problems, what you are saying is like why did I had 64 mb of RAM on 95 when it clearly needs 512 mb since it just uses 10 :|.

Edit: Yeah :| asked my father, he installed through I don't know what the x86 SP 3 :|, anyway I haven't used it for a few months, all the problems I had were before, my father screwed around with it, gonna format and install XP x86, no updates since it's the only MS OS that gets slower over time, not even XP x64 is like that :|.

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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

simardbrad

stop spreading your lies!

I have XP Pro x64 and I've had no problems with drivers, stabilitiy or software. If you want to run into problems, go ahead and get vista. Visturd can't even run a lot of games even on its 32 bit version.

he is not lying. XP 64 is a complete joke and was just an expirment that should have never been sold in the first place. I can't believe people are still using it.

If you want 64bit get Vista or wait for Windows 7. XP 64 didn't catch on and has little support when it comes to drivers and some software. Vista already has a ton more support.

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[QUOTE="simardbrad"][QUOTE="DanielDust"] Yes, I have proof, my own experience, I still use it on my other PC ( P4 3.2 ghz,, 7600GT, 1 gb of RAM), patched up, service pack 3, still has problems. Simardbrad, you're not even worth the time to argue if you say Visturd :roll:.DanielDust

hahahah right here I call your bluff and phoney lies. XP x64 doesn't have SP3 so you are lying right there. Second of all, why the f*ck would you use XP x64 with 1gb of ram, that would probably be why you have so many problems.

First of all, XP has SP 3. all versions of it, it automatically update it to SP 3 (it says SP 3 in the CP, it's enough for me, don't really care, since I use Vista on my "main" PC), second, are you on something? it's XP, it uses 100 mb of RAM, "IT" uses, in case you haven't noticed it isn't for games, amount of ram=/= problems, what you are saying is like why did I had 64 mb of RAM on 95 when it clearly needs 512 mb since it just uses 10 :|.

Edit: Yeah :| asked my father, he installed through I don't know what the x86 SP 3 :|, anyway I haven't used it for a few months, all the problems I had were before, my father screwed around with it, gonna format and install XP x86, no updates since it's the only MS OS that gets slower over time, not even XP x64 is like that :|.

First off... no it doesn't have f*cking SP3 you ignorant person. I have XP x64... try getting SP3 for it... I'll wait right here, go for it.
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#18 simardbrad
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[QUOTE="simardbrad"][QUOTE="DanielDust"]

If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

Deihmos

stop spreading your lies!

I have XP Pro x64 and I've had no problems with drivers, stabilitiy or software. If you want to run into problems, go ahead and get vista. Visturd can't even run a lot of games even on its 32 bit version.

he is not lying. XP 64 is a complete joke and was just an expirment that should have never been sold in the first place. I can't believe people are still using it.

If you want 64bit get Vista or wait for Windows 7. XP 64 didn't catch on and has little support when it comes to drivers and some software. Vista already has a ton more support.

Oh man I love your proof. I love you just saying xp x64 sucks when you've never owned it. Man these forums have some pretty ignorant people.
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Yes, I have proof, my own experience, I still use it on my other PC ( P4 3.2 ghz,, 7600GT, 1 gb of RAM), patched up, service pack 3, still has problems. Simardbrad, you're not even worth the time to argue if you say Visturd :roll:.DanielDust

Visturd ...? Couldn't understand - english isn't my first language!

anyway, to the Original Poster:

There's no service pack 3 for XP-64bit. I have latest service pack 2 and updated till November-2008. I am a software professional and I run java development applications, alongwith popular media players, cd-burning tools, antivirus (if needed), Steam, XFire, hamachi, office package, skype , photo-editing tool, ... do I need to mention anything else?

As you can see in my signature which games I'm playing currently and I've played before (look my XFire profile) - you can be sure that these games are playable under windows xp 64bit without any problem.

Also read my last post and you can see my rig is quite current, yet I've got all required 64bit drivers for windows xp. Vista is more resource hungy than XP. Unless you want DX10, you can easily stick to XP-64bit. I have more free RAM and multitasking is smooth.

Oh, by the way, for ignorant people, windows XP 64 bit is based on windows server 2003 codebase. and it's service pack 2 made the OS more robust. I admit vanila XP-64 was flawed, but try XP-64 with SP2, you'll find the difference.

Oh man I love your proof. I love you just saying xp x64 sucks when you've never owned it. Man these forums have some pretty ignorant people. simardbrad

My respect to you for saying the bitter truth publicly. :P

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#20 DanielDust
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[QUOTE="simardbrad"][ Oh man I love your proof. I love you just saying xp x64 sucks when you've never owned it. Man these forums have some pretty ignorant people.

Oh no Mr. Visturd, it can't be, you, one of them? nooo ;)
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[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

If you want to go x64, you HAVE to go Vista, XP 64 has a lot of problems and I'm not talking about games or usual software, I'm talking about stability issues, driver issues and quite a few problems with some applications.

If you don't want to get Vista x64, then stick to XP x86, save yourself the trouble ;).

simardbrad

stop spreading your lies!

I have XP Pro x64 and I've had no problems with drivers, stabilitiy or software. If you want to run into problems, go ahead and get vista. Visturd can't even run a lot of games even on its 32 bit version.

I have this problem myself.. I much rather XP. And now there's a Windows 7... Microsoft just loves helping people upgrade (buy), don't they?
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#22 teardropmina
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between vista x64 and xp x64...well, take this, and this is a fact, into consideration: many new hardwares (video capture, sound cards, printers and etc.) will only have vista x64 driver supports. if you want to go xp x64 just check the driver support of all the hardwares you will buy and install.
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#23 prlyknitswtr
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ok update...since you guys are getting a little crazy haha. Put the Windows 7 beta on one harddrive and XP home 32bit on the other drive. my problem with Win7 is that there is NO NETWORK ADAPTER DRIVER. i cant even get online with Win7. if anyone is able to have online access with 7 please let me know how its done. i got Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit i will be loading up later on today deleting Win7. i have 2gb of ram and a 2.5 dual core intel cpu...i will be getting 2 more gb of ram in the next week. My plan i to have one harddrive with vista and the other with xp....vista will be for gaming and gaming only.
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I installed Windows 7 beta on my PC yesterday (on my second hard drive), and I can honestly say that I didn't have to do a single thing for it to find my network connection. It was just there, which surprised me a bit, because I didn't have to install a driver from my ****** network adaptor (which I use instead of the onboard LAN ethernet). I was surfing the net quite a lot last night after installing Firefox 3. Mind you, my broadband connection is through a Netgear router/firewall/modem which was already set up, so I don't know if that's the reason why I encountered no problems.

Good luck getting your net connection sorted out.

Anyway, being a long-term Win XP user, I've been pleasantly surprised by Win 7. It feels faster in some applications than my XP installation, but that's probably because I have the x64 version of Win 7, and my Win XP (SP3) is 32-bit which doesn't really get the best out of my Athlon X64 x2 4200 processor. I have likes and dislikes with Win 7 (mostly the new Win Explorer feels less intuitive, and I had to disable my SB Audigy 2 ZS card because of crackling and distortion), but overall it seems pretty decent. I gave it a bit of a test by doing a full virus scan with AVG while streaming music from the same hard drive via WinAmp, moving files across folders, browsing the net and watching a DVD movie in VCL all at the same time - and there was no degradation in performance.

So Win 7 looks like a viable upgrade path for me at the moment - assuming nothing goes wrong, and I can get all my favourite applications to work. Didn't have time to install everything last night, and I haven't even installed Nvidia drivers or tried any games yet.

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#25 prlyknitswtr
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i think my problem is with my onboard ethernet. when 7 first started up the LAN icon was X'd out and i then tried to install the network adapter driver from my mobo software. That didnt work, i got an error that read something like "your operating system is not supported".
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#26 DACV
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OMG I can not believe the amount of useless info out there from people who cannot undestand something.

I have been using Windows XP 64 bit for years ... ever since daemon tools released a 64 bit version

Yes at first there was problems with drivers but so do all the other releases and I believe the precious Vista people keep defending

YesI have and do run into driver issues but there usually is a work around as with all other OS's

But as far as functionality I will put my xp 64 up against your xp 32 or vista any day of the week

Windows 7 looks promising and again I see people complaining about drivers and such with an OS that is not even released yet and only in beta form

I still have problems with games too on XP 64 ... like Max Payne which is why I saw this thread

But then again I am talking about a game that was out before xp64 was released and I am betting I just have to change the loader with oracle

If you have have problems with XP 64 then your hardware is crap or not enough memory as with case of the one poster with only a gig of memory

There is no excuse to not run 2 gig of memory with todays great companies and much cheaper prices than years ago

Oh by the way I am not a computer tech nor do I work in the field but google is my friend and if I run into a problem I just search for an answer and usually get one

So if I can get xp 64 to work and work faster and much better than xp 32 then you can too...or can you?