Would Valve exist if there was no ID software?

I personally don't think so, although Blizzard would still exist either way.

i don't know valve's history,but what is your point?lawlessx

No ID software=no Wolfenstein 3d=no Half-life=no Valve.

Maybe not... and every game may still be in side or isometric view :o

No. Without Quake, there would be a FPS market. Or a goldsrc engine.

Doom spawned a bunch of me-too clones on the PC (Bungie was quietly making its own FPS games on the Mac). Quake was id's next major jump. It was the Crysis of the time because no PC can run it past low-twenty frames per second until 3d-accelerators came out and the GLQuake patch was issued. Once that patch was issued, Quake gaming simply exploded all over the place. It got even better with Quake 2 in early 1998. Then, Valve's Half Life came out later that year.

So, yep. Valve may have not taken off without id.

Edit:

Actually, it was "no PC can run Quake very playable at 640x480 at the time". Quake ran fine at 320x240 under software rendering. But, it was an ugly pixelated mess. GLQuake was pure heaven.

I love me some GLquake

No, Gabe Newell has said EXACTLY that before

Actually, it was founded because the founders were inspired by a co-worker who left Microsoft to work on Quake at id Software so no, Valve would not exist were it not for id Software!

If you really wanted to talk about the historic acomplishments of ID, why didnt you just say that? I really dont understand what the point is of bringing up Valve at all in this topic.

Would ID have made DOOM if Santa Clause existed?

Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...f22rf

I fail to see the connection between valves and personal identification software...

Carmack's made it pretty explicit that if it hadn't been Id then it would've been someone else; they just happened to do it first. Valve would exist without Id Software's creation of DOOM and Quake, but Half-Life would not. Why I am bothering to answer this pointless question I do not know.kdawg88

Dunno. But if id hadn't made Wolfenstein 3D, somebody else surely would have.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"]i don't know valve's history,but what is your point?samanthademeste

No ID software=no Wolfenstein 3d=no Half-life=no Valve.

In all honesty, I couldn't care less if Valve were never to exist.

They honestly have nothing that keeps me, neither Steam nor their games.

[QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Night_Ryda

Nope.

I'll put it this way, how many companies and games would never had surfaced if Id had never developed Wolfenstein and DOOM?Just-Breathe

0.

You think Carmack was the only guy who could come up with this?

Pfft.

If there was no ID software in the past there wouldn't be much games out there today ... we would still be fixated on sidescrolling games like Duke in the past or them Nintendo games and etc.

Reason for saying this is simply becouse if it wasn't for ID there wouldn't be Wolfenstein, followed by Doom, Quake and etc.

If there was no ID software in the past there wouldn't be much games out there today ... we would still be fixated on sidescrolling games like Duke in the past or them Nintendo games and etc.

Reason for saying this is simply becouse if it wasn't for ID there wouldn't be Wolfenstein, followed by Doom, Quake and etc.

Code135

Again, someone else would have come up with the same idea.

It's not exactly rocket science.

[QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Night_Ryda

Here in the civilized world, California, buns and hotdogs both come in packs of 8.

If there was no ID software in the past there wouldn't be much games out there today ... we would still be fixated on sidescrolling games like Duke in the past or them Nintendo games and etc.

Reason for saying this is simply becouse if it wasn't for ID there wouldn't be Wolfenstein, followed by Doom, Quake and etc.

Code135

Why is everyone just assuming that the only person in the world that could ever come up with the concept of the first person shooter is John Carmack?

John Carmac is considered to be the most brilliant game engine programmer at that time (mid-90s). Someone else would have eventually discovered/invented the same technology, but it may have been delayed a few years (probably not more than 5 years delayed). So maybe Valve wouldn't exist, but some other FPS company would spring up when there is money to be made.

Would my grandmother be a skateboard if I added wheels to her?

[QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Night_Ryda

To get you to buy an extra thing of buns.. profit thats why.

What's the relevance?

Would the Xbox exist if there were no Intel? Would ID Software exist if there were no Xerox? Would StarCraft exist if there were no Nintendo? There's no way to tell.

ID have had a massive effect on video games, it's impossible to guess at what the industry would have looked like without ID.

[QUOTE="Night_Ryda"][QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Lach0121

To get you to buy an extra thing of buns.. profit thats why.

But buns do come in packs of 8.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Night_Ryda"] And why are are buns sold in packs of six while hotdogs in packs of eight? Look at 3D Realms and where the Duke franchise is currentlyGummiRaccoon

To get you to buy an extra thing of buns.. profit thats why.

But buns do come in packs of 8.

Not everywhere though. lol

If not for Carmack, then another intellectual would have developed the code for a 3d environment.JKnaperek

That's mostly true, especially since the code already existed before Carmack got involved.

I mean, Wolfenstein 3D was inspired by a tech demo for Ultima Underworld, which was far more advanced than anything Id made in its early years (you could jump, look up and down, move at varying speeds, store objects in your inventory, talk to people, write on the map, etc etc).

Id popularised 3D first-person games, but I'm pretty sure someone else would have inspired Half-Life had they not done so.

Of course they would be in business. Wolfenstein 3D wasn't even the first FPS, not by a long shot. The genre was already developing into something real a good time before Wolf3D hit the market; it was simply the most successful, primarily because of id's distribution strategy (shareware) and intense word-of-mouth on college campuses. For a great history of this, read 'Masters of Doom.' It gives you a fantastic history of the id team.

As for Steam/Valve (one and the same these days), that's like saying piracy wouldn't have existed at all. Steam has developed long ago into an attractive DRM for major companies looking to avoid piracy as much as possible. The correct question for this thread would have been either "would the FPS genre exist without id's contributions," in which case the answer is no, OR "would Steam exist without piracy," in which case the answer is also probably no.

[QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Night_Ryda

Mind = blown.

Again, someone else would have come up with the same idea.

It's not exactly rocket science.

Arthur96

That is true, yes ... but honestly, if not for ID when would developpers actually come up with an idea that involves an innovation in gaming expirience as overall ? Perhaps a year, maybe 2 later ? Sure, I may have been a bit rough ith the "much games out there today" ... but if you think about it - the inspiration which came with IDs' products back in the days were actually the ones that pushed others to try something new ... and in time they were all slaping themselves while mumbling "The hell didn't I think of this earlier ?"

And the most funny part is that in the end it was a bunch of young fellows who came up with that idea ... the "old-timers" who are supposed to be experts would end up in grandpa diapers by the time they figure out something like that out :lol:

[QUOTE="Night_Ryda"][QUOTE="f22rf"]Would buns exist if there were no hotdogs?...Lach0121

To get you to buy an extra thing of buns.. profit thats why.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="Night_Ryda"] And why are are buns sold in packs of six while hotdogs in packs of eight? Look at 3D Realms and where the Duke franchise is currentlyElann2008

To get you to buy an extra thing of buns.. profit thats why.

lol

hmmm... we are pretty plump here :P

Good god at all the buns posts.

I literally just bought a pack of buns and a pack of hotdogs. Both came in 8.

The way you guys repeat these falsities ad naseum is disturbing.

Check these lame factoids before you spread them.