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Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. onemicI thought they sold goods outside and inside of the city
[QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. Miles0T0ProwerI thought they sold goods outside and inside of the city
? ya, you're point?
I said that it was basically as bad as communism not that it was communism.
" I am Andrew Ryan, and im here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled, to the the sweat of his ground. No says the man in Washington, it belongs to the poor. No, says the man in the Vatican, it belongs to god. No, says the man in Moscow, it belongs to everyone. I rejected those answers. I chose something different, I chose the impossible! I chose Rapture! I chose a city where the artist wouldnt be upset, Where the scientist wouldnt be bound by petty morality. Where the great would not be constrained by the small. And with the sweat of your ground, and rapture can become your city as well." Sure why not.
Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. onemic
I was going to say yes before I read your post. Now I am going to say absolutly yes!!!:D
Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. onemic
Sounds like something a parasite would say! Given the opportunity I'd jump immediately at the chance to live in Rapture. Before it, well, you know, went to hell. Rapture as it was meant to be, of course, without all the creepy stuff. The potential for progress would be so amazing without all the dead-weight of the hoi polloi parasites the mushy-headed liberals force us to put up with on the surface - in many ways I love the way Andrew Ryan thinks, but I've also always been a big Ayn Rand fan too. Plus, Rapture was filled with rich people so everything is pretty and luxurious and I like pleasant surroundings.
I would have gone to rapture assuming we didnt know the outcome of it all ahead of time. Maybe one of the scientists there could fix me up(I'm pretty sick).
Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. onemic
You sir, have won the most ignorant statement of the day award.
[QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. Sprozelth
You sir, have won the most ignorant statement of the day award.
Why was it ignorant? I think you got your words wrong buddy.I definitly did not get my words wrong. Go take a poli sci ****or read up on current events, or simply learn the philosophy behind free marker economies and communism. And then you will see the many flaws in that statement.
[QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. AlphaHumana
Sounds like something a parasite would say! Given the opportunity I'd jump immediately at the chance to live in Rapture. Before it, well, you know, went to hell. Rapture as it was meant to be, of course, without all the creepy stuff. The potential for progress would be so amazing without all the dead-weight of the hoi polloi parasites the mushy-headed liberals force us to put up with on the surface - in many ways I love the way Andrew Ryan thinks, but I've also always been a big Ayn Rand fan too. Plus, Rapture was filled with rich people so everything is pretty and luxurious and I like pleasant surroundings.
The problem is that the society became what it was because of the free reign that was allowed. There was no holding anyone back without the handcuffs of society on, they self-destructed. It was an inevitable conclusion. Sooner or later, the economy or some other substance, in Rapture's case, Adam, would become the downfall because you would want more than you could have or afford.
It would have been a great place to visit before the eventual implosion of society, but I sure as hell would not of wanted to be there when all hell broke loose.
[QUOTE="Sprozelth"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. Dr_DudeMan
You sir, have won the most ignorant statement of the day award.
Why was it ignorant? I think you got your words wrong buddy.I definitly did not get my words wrong. Go take a poli sci ****or read up on current events, or simply learn the philosophy behind free marker economies and communism. And then you will see the many flaws in that statement.
What were the flaws in that statement?[QUOTE="Sprozelth"][QUOTE="Dr_DudeMan"][QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. Dr_DudeMan
You sir, have won the most ignorant statement of the day award.
Why was it ignorant? I think you got your words wrong buddy.I definitly did not get my words wrong. Go take a poli sci ****or read up on current events, or simply learn the philosophy behind free marker economies and communism. And then you will see the many flaws in that statement.
He said 100% free market, not free market economies in general. When businesses go completely unchecked, the only people who benefit are the business owners. Everyone else gets screwed.
[QUOTE="AlphaHumana"][QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. mclazyj
Sounds like something a parasite would say! Given the opportunity I'd jump immediately at the chance to live in Rapture. Before it, well, you know, went to hell. Rapture as it was meant to be, of course, without all the creepy stuff. The potential for progress would be so amazing without all the dead-weight of the hoi polloi parasites the mushy-headed liberals force us to put up with on the surface - in many ways I love the way Andrew Ryan thinks, but I've also always been a big Ayn Rand fan too. Plus, Rapture was filled with rich people so everything is pretty and luxurious and I like pleasant surroundings.
The problem is that the society became what it was because of the free reign that was allowed. There was no holding anyone back without the handcuffs of society on, they self-destructed. It was an inevitable conclusion. Sooner or later, the economy or some other substance, in Rapture's case, Adam, would become the downfall because you would want more than you could have or afford.
It would have been a great place to visit before the eventual implosion of society, but I sure as hell would not of wanted to be there when all hell broke loose.
While that's certainly what happened in Rapture's case, I don't believe it's inevitable. There'd still have to be laws and such - even Rapture had law enforcement, though we really don't know its structure (just that one audio diary of the sheriff or whatever who thought Ryan was too harsh in executing smugglers.) Your freedoms should end when they conflict with somebody else's. That's how the US started out but got crippled by the "parasites", or folks that lean on the others because they either cannot or choose not to contribute productively to the advancement of society - and now we have our big bloated bureaucratic mess of a government.
Ryan and I are alike in our disapproval at how screwed up we became due to FDR's commie BS steps (which mark our decline from our true path - not to mention the idiotic credit practices that the ignorant embraced that put us into the depression in the first place.) he thought would bring us out of the great depression (think social programs that make the productive members of society prop up the "parasites.")
It's the idea that one can pursue whatever goal he wants and not have to worry about being hindered by others (Ryan's "parasites") as long as that person is willing to take responsibility and accept the consequences of their actions. Self-determination and personal responsibility taken to the extreme - it's a very appealing concept.
The manipulation and cultivation of Adam was clearly a terrible mistake, and I believe realistically it would have just thinned the herd of the weaker individuals kind of like hard-drugs do to folks in the real world these days. We have them, but only a small percentage of the world abuses them and is addicted/crippled by them - kind of like how not everybody in Rapture was a psycho splicer hopped up on Adam. Realistically I think after the first few people turned psycho-splicer from Adam-addicted people would have stopped using it voluntarily, kind of like how watching a couple episode of COPS or Intervention and seeing what drugs did to those people SHOULD be enough to make sure people never use crack or meth or whatever.
Get rid of the weak links and you make the chain stronger.
[QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. AlphaHumana
Sounds like something a parasite would say! Given the opportunity I'd jump immediately at the chance to live in Rapture. Before it, well, you know, went to hell. Rapture as it was meant to be, of course, without all the creepy stuff. The potential for progress would be so amazing without all the dead-weight of the hoi polloi parasites the mushy-headed liberals force us to put up with on the surface - in many ways I love the way Andrew Ryan thinks, but I've also always been a big Ayn Rand fan too. Plus, Rapture was filled with rich people so everything is pretty and luxurious and I like pleasant surroundings.
Wow, you conservatives crack me up. The issues that rapture deals with are all issues that liberals support, like advancing science. Conservative folks are the reason we are quickly becoming backwards in comparison to other countries with regards to technology and science. Conservatives are the ones always crying about god and fetuses, yet they go kill thousands of Iraqis and American youth for nothing...sick...
I would live there if there are b*tches! :lol:
Now really, why live in a place where there are no holds barred to anything. The inevitable clash between who has more and who has less will turn it into what we live today. I believe rapture's'government' islike a dictatorship/monarchy, andironically that is what Mr. Ryan was trying to get away from.
Perhaps even Communism would be the ideal form of government in such a place. Science must advance of course, but ona leash, unless you want to suffer the consequences of that city.
Now I would definitely buya villa there, for the weekends.
[QUOTE="AlphaHumana"][QUOTE="onemic"]Not really. The economy was 100% free market, which is basically just as bad as communism. Dr_DudeMan
Sounds like something a parasite would say! Given the opportunity I'd jump immediately at the chance to live in Rapture. Before it, well, you know, went to hell. Rapture as it was meant to be, of course, without all the creepy stuff. The potential for progress would be so amazing without all the dead-weight of the hoi polloi parasites the mushy-headed liberals force us to put up with on the surface - in many ways I love the way Andrew Ryan thinks, but I've also always been a big Ayn Rand fan too. Plus, Rapture was filled with rich people so everything is pretty and luxurious and I like pleasant surroundings.
Wow, you conservatives crack me up. The issues that rapture deals with are all issues that liberals support, like advancing science. Conservative folks are the reason we are quickly becoming backwards in comparison to other countries with regards to technology and science. Conservatives are the ones always crying about god and fetuses, yet they go kill thousands of Iraqis and American youth for nothing...sick...
You're confusing "conservative" with "Republican." Being conservative in and of itself has nothing to do with religion or science. It has to do with personal responsibility. A conservative would believe that "you take care of yourself, I take care of myself." A conservative would believe government's only responsibility is national defense - privatize the heck out of everything else. I think Andrew Ryan would agree.
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