WOW!!!! a Conroe E4300 OC'd to 3.4GHZ massacares the Conroe E6700 stock!!!

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#1 kato_
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YES!!!!! i have a Conroe E4300 1.8GHZ at stock.. i will probably try to overclock mine to 3.4Ghz somewhere in the summer..but for now i think its fine right...?

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You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?

EDIT: What's the difference between the two? 

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#3 kato_
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You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?gouldguitarist


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300
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[QUOTE="gouldguitarist"]You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?kato_


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300

Damn, that's insane! I'm getting one :P
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i could throw $500 away with e6700 or get e6300 and OC it.. hmm i wonder what ill do
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#6 drucom
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Look at the RAM, though. DDR2-1000. That must be pretty expensive. I wonder how much an e6600 can be overclocked up to?
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Look at the RAM, though. DDR2-1000. That must be pretty expensive. I wonder how much an e6600 can be overclocked up to?drucom
3.6GHz with a good mobo,good cooling and DDR2 800 RAM.

And yes,DDR2 1000 is VERY expensive,but if you're lucky,you can OC 800 RAM to 1000 speeds.

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#8 drucom
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The price seems to hover between the $300-$400 mark. Pretty expensive stuff.
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#9 AARONRULZ1
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The price seems to hover between the $300-$400 mark. Pretty expensive stuff.drucom
Thats why its a rip-off.
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That's why you get a nForce6 motherboard that lets you make your own fsb:ram ratio, and cpu multiplier as well. Could run my E6600 at 3.6 ghz with my ram at 667 mhz if I so desired. The voltage also has to be increased significantly for the 4300 and 6300 usually to reach those speeds, so excellent cooling is a must.
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#11 raynimrod
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There would be no point to buying a cheaper CPU and then overclocking it to the point where you require excellent cooling.  That just defeats the point of overclocking.
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#12 dunamistheou
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My e6400 is at 3.2ghz on the stock cooling ;)
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#13 9mmSpliff
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another site hit 3.7ghz with top notch parts and a tuniq
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#14 raynimrod
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My e6400 is at 3.2ghz on the stock cooling ;)dunamistheou


Then you've done a very good job ;).

I don't want to push mine any higher, there's literally no point, i've had mine up to 3.7 and it made no difference so I'm happy to live with the coolder temps on stock cooling :)
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[QUOTE="gouldguitarist"]You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?kato_


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300



They did something wrong with that benchmark.
There is no way that the E4300 oc'ed is faster then that oc'ed E6300.
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[QUOTE="kato_"][QUOTE="gouldguitarist"]You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?LordEC911


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300



They did something wrong with that benchmark.
There is no way that the E4300 oc'ed is faster then that oc'ed E6300.

Good point.
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#17 phpessotti
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wow, I just wish I could learn how to overclock my CPU...that would be awsome :cry:
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#18 AARONRULZ1
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wow, I just wish I could learn how to overclock my CPU...that would be awsome :cry: phpessotti
It isn't that hard,just ask us how.
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[QUOTE="phpessotti"]wow, I just wish I could learn how to overclock my CPU...that would be awsome :cry: AARONRULZ1
It isn't that hard,just ask us how.

How do you overclock... and is a 6300 better to get than a 6700 when you overclock it? And what do you need to overclock?
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e6400 has a better multiplyer, that's why I get it over the e6300 ;) You need good RAM to overclock, and a reliable power supply, etc. www.ocforums.com :)
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jimany jilickers great observation sherlock
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#22 kato_
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[QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="kato_"][QUOTE="gouldguitarist"]You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?AARONRULZ1


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300



They did something wrong with that benchmark.
There is no way that the E4300 oc'ed is faster then that oc'ed E6300.

Good point.

[QUOTE="kato_"][QUOTE="gouldguitarist"]You mean E6300? :? And I have an article where they overclocked it from 1.8 GHz to 2.9, but 3.4GHz is possible?LordEC911


yes they got 3.5GHZ on the e6300 and 3.47GHz on the e4300



They did something wrong with that benchmark.
There is no way that the E4300 oc'ed is faster then that oc'ed E6300.

the E4300 has a multiplier X9. The E6300 only has a mulitplier X7 and thats why the E6300 requires a DDR2-1000MHZ ram which is very expensive. In other words the E4300 is a better overclocker than the E6300. I think it is cheaper too.
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#23 kato_
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[QUOTE="AARONRULZ1"][QUOTE="phpessotti"]wow, I just wish I could learn how to overclock my CPU...that would be awsome :cry: DrakeNOwns
It isn't that hard,just ask us how.

How do you overclock... and is a 6300 better to get than a 6700 when you overclock it? And what do you need to overclock?

if you think about it ... you can still overclock an E6700 which has a 4MB cache that will kill anything below it in the long run. If you can afford an E6700 i say go for it...but if u cant..then go buy an E4300 or even better an E6400.
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Hm... can you really overclock it that high without blowing it up? :?
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#25 phpessotti
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[QUOTE="phpessotti"]wow, I just wish I could learn how to overclock my CPU...that would be awsome :cry: AARONRULZ1
It isn't that hard,just ask us how.

How? I really want to overclock my CPU cause it looks like it will give you a pretty big increase in performance without paying more, and that sounds pretty good to me :)
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To be honest it really isn't necessary with the E6600, and the increased performance won't really be noticed.  Most applications/games still don't utilize multiple core processors, and the E6600 is a decent CPU at stock anyway.  You can OC, but you really don't need to performance wise.  Trust me.
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To be honest it really isn't necessary with the E6600, and the increased performance won't really be noticed. Most applications/games still don't utilize multiple core processors, and the E6600 is a decent CPU at stock anyway. You can OC, but you really don't need to performance wise. Trust me.raynimrod


It depends on the game, resolution and the rest of your setup.
To make a general statement like the one you just made, saying that you won't notice the performance increase, is 100% false.

[QUOTE="kato_"]the E4300 has a multiplier X9. The E6300 only has a mulitplier X7 and thats why the E6300 requires a DDR2-1000MHZ ram which is very expensive. In other words the E4300 is a better overclocker than the E6300. I think it is cheaper too.


Yes, I understand that, I know a bit more about OCing then you do.
There are quite a few 2gb kits of ram for around $200 that can hit 500mhz and higher, you just need to know what ICs they have.
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[QUOTE="raynimrod"]To be honest it really isn't necessary with the E6600, and the increased performance won't really be noticed. Most applications/games still don't utilize multiple core processors, and the E6600 is a decent CPU at stock anyway. You can OC, but you really don't need to performance wise. Trust me.LordEC911


It depends on the game, resolution and the rest of your setup.
To make a general statement like the one you just made, saying that you won't notice the performance increase, is 100% false.

[QUOTE="kato_"]the E4300 has a multiplier X9. The E6300 only has a mulitplier X7 and thats why the E6300 requires a DDR2-1000MHZ ram which is very expensive. In other words the E4300 is a better overclocker than the E6300. I think it is cheaper too.


Yes, I understand that, I know a bit more about OCing then you do.
There are quite a few 2gb kits of ram for around $200 that can hit 500mhz and higher, you just need to know what ICs they have.

besides all that, the days of having to run 1:1 are pretty much over. the performance hit from using a divider on the a64 or 775 c2d platforms is pretty tiny, so you're free to crank up as high as you want/need to go to.
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#29 LordEC911
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besides all that, the days of having to run 1:1 are pretty much over. the performance hit from using a divider on the a64 or 775 c2d platforms is pretty tiny, so you're free to crank up as high as you want/need to go to.Makari


HuH? C2D loves the 1:1 ratio.
You always want the highest possible FSB with Intel chips.
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Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :D
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#31 LordEC911
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Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :D9mmSpliff


I already joined up... been there longer then you I believe.
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[QUOTE="Makari"]besides all that, the days of having to run 1:1 are pretty much over. the performance hit from using a divider on the a64 or 775 c2d platforms is pretty tiny, so you're free to crank up as high as you want/need to go to.LordEC911


HuH? C2D loves the 1:1 ratio.
You always want the highest possible FSB with Intel chips.

You can still get the highest possible FSB on the CPU by using dividers. For games, there's really no need to use 1:1 ratio, allowing the option for users to purchase cheaper memories. Even if you clocked your memory higher you won't get THAT much performance gain. http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813&p=6
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#33 LordEC911
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[QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="Makari"]besides all that, the days of having to run 1:1 are pretty much over. the performance hit from using a divider on the a64 or 775 c2d platforms is pretty tiny, so you're free to crank up as high as you want/need to go to.GamingMonkeyPC


HuH? C2D loves the 1:1 ratio.
You always want the highest possible FSB with Intel chips.

You can still get the highest possible FSB on the CPU by using dividers. For games, there's really no need to use 1:1 ratio, allowing the option for users to purchase cheaper memories. Even if you clocked your memory higher you won't get THAT much performance gain. http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2813&p=6



The higher FSB is important because of Intel's lack of on-die memory controller.
You want the highest FSB possible because it creates a faster link between your memory and CPU.
Conroe's stock FSB is 266mhz, quadpumped to 1066. If you have your processor running in a 1:1 ratio @ 500mhz, the effective FSB is now 2000mhz. A FSB of around 420mhz takes away AMD's advantage of their on-die memory controller.
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#34 Makari
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[QUOTE="Makari"]besides all that, the days of having to run 1:1 are pretty much over. the performance hit from using a divider on the a64 or 775 c2d platforms is pretty tiny, so you're free to crank up as high as you want/need to go to.LordEC911


HuH? C2D loves the 1:1 ratio.
You always want the highest possible FSB with Intel chips.

if you've got a motherboard capable of doing 500fsb, there's a decent chance you've got an ati/nvidia chipset that can run unlinked anyway (i.e. 650i, maybe 680i if you're lucky). hence, a performance difference that sits almost entirely on the bandwidth you're -not- getting from the RAM - a few percent, if even that. the intel p965/975x can't do it for sure, though, as they don't do unlinked and only offer dividers that go above 1:1. again though, it's all about research and knowing the hardware you're working with.
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#35 raynimrod
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[QUOTE="raynimrod"]To be honest it really isn't necessary with the E6600, and the increased performance won't really be noticed. Most applications/games still don't utilize multiple core processors, and the E6600 is a decent CPU at stock anyway. You can OC, but you really don't need to performance wise. Trust me.LordEC911


It depends on the game, resolution and the rest of your setup.
To make a general statement like the one you just made, saying that you won't notice the performance increase, is 100% false.



Perhaps you would like to note that I was speaking to somebody specific and was not making a general statement.  It was a posted as a reply to the poster before me, thus related directly to him/her.  You might also like to note that their system is very much comparable to mine, and to suggest that what I said (given the fact) is 100% false is simply naive.  Please read posts before making such sensationalist claims.
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#36 AARONRULZ1
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[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :DLordEC911


I already joined up... been there longer then you I believe.

Yes,spliff only join sometime late last month.
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#37 9mmSpliff
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[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :DLordEC911


I already joined up... been there longer then you I believe.

no i know. i meant i wish you were in there more often. sorry.
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#38 LordEC911
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[QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :D9mmSpliff


I already joined up... been there longer then you I believe.

no i know. i meant i wish you were in there more often. sorry.



Ahhh.... I gotcha.

[QUOTE="raynimrod"]Perhaps you would like to note that I was speaking to somebody specific and was not making a general statement. It was a posted as a reply to the poster before me, thus related directly to him/her. You might also like to note that their system is very much comparable to mine, and to suggest that what I said (given the fact) is 100% false is simply naive. Please read posts before making such sensationalist claims.



I did read the post. (BTW- I find it extremely amusing that someone  is telling ME to read the post)
Anyways, you made a very, very general statement which you cannot know the answer to without getting another important piece of information from him...
Do you know what that is?
I am guessing you don't since you obviously made that very general statement without asking it first.

We would need to know his resolution before we can decide if he would see the boost in performance.
For even gaming at a resolution of 1600x1200 with an E6600, the 8800GTX is still being bottlenecked.
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#39 raynimrod
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[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="LordEC911"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]Man Lord, join up Custom PCs man. I love the way you tell people how it is. Probably a great debater.....thats debater I said. :DLordEC911


I already joined up... been there longer then you I believe.

no i know. i meant i wish you were in there more often. sorry.



Ahhh.... I gotcha.

Perhaps you would like to note that I was speaking to somebody specific and was not making a general statement. It was a posted as a reply to the poster before me, thus related directly to him/her. You might also like to note that their system is very much comparable to mine, and to suggest that what I said (given the fact) is 100% false is simply naive. Please read posts before making such sensationalist claims.raynimrod


I did read the post. (BTW- I find it extremely amusing that someone  is telling ME to read the post)
Anyways, you made a very, very general statement which you cannot know the answer to without getting another important piece of information from him...
Do you know what that is?
I am guessing you don't since you obviously made that very general statement without asking it first.

We would need to know his resolution before we can decide if he would see the boost in performance.
For even gaming at a resolution of 1600x1200 with an E6600, the 8800GTX is still being bottlenecked.



Well I guess the fact that I have already tested my E6600 and 8800GTX at resolutions ranging from 1024 x 768 to 1600x1200 means that I don't need to ask him, doesn't it?  The 8800GTX is still being bottlenecked yes, but there isn't a significant performance gain When the E6600 is OC'd, even at such a high resolution.  This does not mean that there is NOT a performance gain because there is, but it is very minimal.  I strongly suggest that you don't make assumptions in future.
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#40 Wesker776
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There's a problem with getting a cheap processor to OC to insane levels (or speeds of its superiors). The first being the increased heat an overclocked chip produces as well as the northbridge of the mobo. Obviously increased voltages and clock speeds affect both the processor (and its HSF) and the northbridge (and its HSF). Increased voltage also leads to a degradation of silicon transistors (damages them and takes them one step closer toward uselss brunt gunk). Secondly, purchasing good enough RAM or Motherboard that supports DDR2-1000+ can be hard to afford or find. But overclocking an E4300 with DDR2-800 RAM (or even 667) and a board like the Gigabyte DS3, you're all set.
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#41 LordEC911
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Well I guess the fact that I have already tested my E6600 and 8800GTX at resolutions ranging from 1024 x 768 to 1600x1200 means that I don't need to ask him, doesn't it? The 8800GTX is still being bottlenecked yes, but there isn't a significant performance gain When the E6600 is OC'd, even at such a high resolution. This does not mean that there is NOT a performance gain because there is, but it is very minimal. I strongly suggest that you don't make assumptions in future.raynimrod


So a 10-15fps boost in most games is minimal?
I wouldn't mind boosting my average fps up about 10 or so in Oblivion, GRAW, RSV from just from a slight overclock on stock voltage.