Is it for casuals? My friend and I are arguing about it and... is it for casual?
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[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]Yeah it is.A_zombie
Ah, I see...
I believe I've been owned. :(
This game is a waste of money.
nivet14
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
[QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
Johnny_Rock
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
starwarsgeek112
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok. But honestly.... all games are a waste of time. What do you get out of playing a game other than the personal enjoyment it brings. Shooters aren't fulfilling in some spiritual or monetary way.... unless you're Fatal1ty. Same with sports games and racing games and.... well all of em. If you enjoy the game you are playing, then it's not a waste of time... to you. And I happen to love MMO's. Been playing, and paying, since UO and EQ1.
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
Johnny_Rock
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok. But honestly.... all games are a waste of time. What do you get out of playing a game other than the personal enjoyment it brings. Shooters aren't fulfilling in some spiritual or monetary way.... unless you're Fatal1ty. Same with sports games and racing games and.... well all of em. If you enjoy the game you are playing, then it's not a waste of time... to you. And I happen to love MMO's. Been playing, and paying, since UO and EQ1.
too true too true[QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
Johnny_Rock
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok , so its fun. When I get a game I want the sale to be final. I do not want to pay every month for a game. WoW may be fun but is dumb to waste 15 dollars every month.[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
Johnny_Rock
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok. But honestly.... all games are a waste of time. What do you get out of playing a game other than the personal enjoyment it brings. Shooters aren't fulfilling in some spiritual or monetary way.... unless you're Fatal1ty. Same with sports games and racing games and.... well all of em. If you enjoy the game you are playing, then it's not a waste of time... to you. And I happen to love MMO's. Been playing, and paying, since UO and EQ1.
It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.Johnny_Rock
It doesn't really work that way, Johnny--or at least not that simple. It's about value, and value is complicated.
I've never played a MMORPG which is stunningly better than the best single player games on my shelf, and each of those cost me between $25 and $50... once. That $40 can carry me for months, or even years, if the game is top notch. So it's not whether or not I can afford $15 a month. It's whether or not I can afford to spend $15 a month (plus an original purchase price) for as long as I want to enjoy a game which brings me no more pleasure than the $40 game on my HDD.
Do the math. Buy it for $45, and play it for a year or so. You've likely spent over $200 playing WoW. Over the course of a year, $200 is no big deal next to rent, car payments, and so on, but it's astronomical when most of the best games out there cost a one-time fee of $40-$50.
Bottom line? It's not about affordability. It's about value. If WoW is really that much better to you than Company of Heroes, or Medieval 2, or Dark Crusade, or Half Life 2, or Guild Wars, then by all means, spend away. For me, it just doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.lokstah
It doesn't really work that way, Johnny--or at least not that simple. It's about value, and value is complicated.
You could tell me that a single stick of cinnamon gum only costs $5--I mean, what's $5 every now and then? Even if I could afford to drop $5 on gum every now and then, I'd prefer to stick with my usual peppermint, because it's excellent, and it costs under $1 for a big pack of it.
I've never played a MMORPG which is stunningly better than the best single player games on my shelf, and each of those cost me between $25 and $50... once. That $40 can carry me for months, or even years, if the game is top notch. So it's not whether or not I can afford $15 a month. It's whether or not I can afford to spend $15 a month (plus an original purchase price) for as long as I want to enjoy a game which brings me no more pleasure than the $40 game on my HDD.
Do the math. Buy it for $45, and play it for a year or so. You've likely spent over $200 playing WoW. Over the course of a year, $200 is no big deal next to rent, car payments, and so on, but it's astronomical when most of the best games out there cost a one-time fee of $40-$50.
Bottom line? It's not about affordability. It's about value. If WoW is really that much better to you than Company of Heroes, or Medieval 2, or Dark Crusade, or Half Life 2, or Guild Wars, then by all means, spend away. For me, it just doesn't make sense.
personally, i think it has little content. it is a big game, but it is repetitive. i was lvl 60 before i stopped. i got so bored of the high level junk. i play daok now. but wow is a hardcore/casual game, and is fun, but i got bored at lvl 60.
(ps, mmo's arent a waste of money. they are the sh**z)
yay
[QUOTE="lokstah"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.starwarsgeek112
It doesn't really work that way, Johnny--or at least not that simple. It's about value, and value is complicated.
You could tell me that a single stick of cinnamon gum only costs $5--I mean, what's $5 every now and then? Even if I could afford to drop $5 on gum every now and then, I'd prefer to stick with my usual peppermint, because it's excellent, and it costs under $1 for a big pack of it.
I've never played a MMORPG which is stunningly better than the best single player games on my shelf, and each of those cost me between $25 and $50... once. That $40 can carry me for months, or even years, if the game is top notch. So it's not whether or not I can afford $15 a month. It's whether or not I can afford to spend $15 a month (plus an original purchase price) for as long as I want to enjoy a game which brings me no more pleasure than the $40 game on my HDD.
Do the math. Buy it for $45, and play it for a year or so. You've likely spent over $200 playing WoW. Over the course of a year, $200 is no big deal next to rent, car payments, and so on, but it's astronomical when most of the best games out there cost a one-time fee of $40-$50.
Bottom line? It's not about affordability. It's about value. If WoW is really that much better to you than Company of Heroes, or Medieval 2, or Dark Crusade, or Half Life 2, or Guild Wars, then by all means, spend away. For me, it just doesn't make sense.
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"][QUOTE="lokstah"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"]It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.LuffyTubby
It doesn't really work that way, Johnny--or at least not that simple. It's about value, and value is complicated.
You could tell me that a single stick of cinnamon gum only costs $5--I mean, what's $5 every now and then? Even if I could afford to drop $5 on gum every now and then, I'd prefer to stick with my usual peppermint, because it's excellent, and it costs under $1 for a big pack of it.
I've never played a MMORPG which is stunningly better than the best single player games on my shelf, and each of those cost me between $25 and $50... once. That $40 can carry me for months, or even years, if the game is top notch. So it's not whether or not I can afford $15 a month. It's whether or not I can afford to spend $15 a month (plus an original purchase price) for as long as I want to enjoy a game which brings me no more pleasure than the $40 game on my HDD.
Do the math. Buy it for $45, and play it for a year or so. You've likely spent over $200 playing WoW. Over the course of a year, $200 is no big deal next to rent, car payments, and so on, but it's astronomical when most of the best games out there cost a one-time fee of $40-$50.
Bottom line? It's not about affordability. It's about value. If WoW is really that much better to you than Company of Heroes, or Medieval 2, or Dark Crusade, or Half Life 2, or Guild Wars, then by all means, spend away. For me, it just doesn't make sense.
I'm not a subscriber to WoW so I don't know how the community is there, but when I played CoH, the supergroup I in was great and that was all the community I really needed. MMO's are fun for awhile, but when they require a lot of grinding sessions then yeah they can get tedious and boring. But like I said the community is what part of the fun comes from, for example when I was bored with doing missions in CoH I'd just spend time talking with random people and with my supergroup.starwarsgeek112
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]
I'm not a subscriber to WoW so I don't know how the community is there, but when I played CoH, the supergroup I in was great and that was all the community I really needed. MMO's are fun for awhile, but when they require a lot of grinding sessions then yeah they can get tedious and boring. But like I said the community is what part of the fun comes from, for example when I was bored with doing missions in CoH I'd just spend time talking with random people and with my supergroup.BloodMist
I think W.O.W. is for casuals who think that they are hardcore.:Droulettethedog
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"][QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
Johnny_Rock
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok. But honestly.... all games are a waste of time. What do you get out of playing a game other than the personal enjoyment it brings. Shooters aren't fulfilling in some spiritual or monetary way.... unless you're Fatal1ty. Same with sports games and racing games and.... well all of em. If you enjoy the game you are playing, then it's not a waste of time... to you. And I happen to love MMO's. Been playing, and paying, since UO and EQ1.
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]
I'm not a subscriber to WoW so I don't know how the community is there, but when I played CoH, the supergroup I in was great and that was all the community I really needed. MMO's are fun for awhile, but when they require a lot of grinding sessions then yeah they can get tedious and boring. But like I said the community is what part of the fun comes from, for example when I was bored with doing missions in CoH I'd just spend time talking with random people and with my supergroup.BloodMist
i don't think wow is casual friendly. according to my experience, the people claiming that they aren't hardcore often play more than 3 hours a day and definitely MUCH more during weekends -- and most of these people do not belong to the upper notch of the community. i don't know how people define casual....but, unless you're already very familiar with the game, to be casual in wow means staying behind and below. consider, on top of that, the excessive amount of grinding, the availability of good guilds ( you don't think the big boys would want a free loader tagging along, right? ), and the absolute necessity to raid after L60 ( 70 if you have BC ), i don't see how wow can be played and ENJOYED by truly casual gamers.
[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]Yeah it is.Johnny_Rock
Up to lvl 60 it is.
My thoughts exactly. Once you hit 60 (or 70), the end game raids at leastu used to be only doable by the hardcore/ Who cares about armor sets anyway?[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"][QUOTE="lokstah"]It doesn't really work that way, Johnny--or at least not that simple. It's about value, and value is complicated.
You could tell me that a single stick of cinnamon gum only costs $5--I mean, what's $5 every now and then? Even if I could afford to drop $5 on gum every now and then, I'd prefer to stick with my usual peppermint, because it's excellent, and it costs under $1 for a big pack of it.
I've never played a MMORPG which is stunningly better than the best single player games on my shelf, and each of those cost me between $25 and $50... That $40 can carry me for months, or even years, if the game is top notch. So it's not whether or not I can afford $15 a month. It's whether or not I can afford to spend $15 a month (plus an original purchase price) for as long as I want to enjoy a game which brings me no more pleasure than the $40 game on my HDD.
Do the math. Buy it for $45, and play it for a year or so. You've likely spent over $200 playing WoW. Over the course of a year, $200 is no big deal next to rent, car payments, and so on, but it's astronomical when most of the best games out there cost a one-time fee of $40-$50.
Bottom line? It's not about affordability. It's about value. If WoW is reallyake sense.
LuffyTubby
So you've never actually played the game. I am 40. Most of my guild is over 30. Everyone I have met has been mature and respectful. Only people like you that have only HEARD what WoW is like, from other non-players, think that the community is immature.
The only point in which the game takes more then 2 hours to lvl is at lvl 78-80, the rest is 2hours and under. You dont have to be a hardcore player to enjoy it, but if you have good equips the game is a lot more fun.
My experience with the game is its pretty casual up to level 50 (this was pre-expansion). i could log in for an hour maybe two and progress in the game. Once I hit 50 all that stopped. I did a few raids...each took 3-4 hours...and the next week I canceled. I really liked the game, but I simply do not have anywhere near the amount of time to complete these raids.
Also I hear people claiming the game is so easy a 3 year old can play it...I really didn't find this to be the case at all. The PvE/PvP seemed about just as difficult as any other MMO I played (AC, AC2, GW, DDO, DAOC, Shadowbane, EQ2, Anarchy) and the raid were actually in my opinion fairly difficult. Maybe if you are in a really good guild with already experienced/geared players...but I was in a regurlar guild going through the content for the first time and raids like ZG and the fire level (sorry cant remember name) were frustratingly difficult.
[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
nivet14
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
Ok , so its fun. When I get a game I want the saleto be final. I do not want to pay every month for a game. WoW may be fun but is dumb to waste 15 dollars every month.you pay for a game for $60 dollars, play it for 10 hours, pay for $5 xbox live to even play it online(for about 10 hours as well), and repeat the next month. With WoW, you pay $20 for the disc and the first month combined, then less than or equal to $15 a month, and get 10's if not hundreds of hours in each month. If anything it is cheaper to be an MMO gamer because of how much gameplay you're getting for how much money you spend.
[QUOTE="Johnny_Rock"][QUOTE="nivet14"]This game is a waste of money.
starwarsgeek112
No it's not. It's a lot of fun. If you can afford 15 measly dollars a month. Less than a movie and popcorn.... once a month. Just get a job. Seriously.
What entertainment is actually productive? Unless you enjoy doing something productive.
Thus I thought so for a while, but I have come to the conclusion that playing subscription based games, are garbage.
Community? And World of Warcraft? Of all god forsaken grinding games, World of Warcraft has the most lame un-cool bunch of 12 year olds that reigned supreme in Diablo and other Battle.Net products before WoW.
I got no problem paying a monthly fee, I played 3 MMOs at the same time for almost a year a while ago.
My analysis of the incompetence of MMOs is simple - I belive that the groundbreaking definition of game... In any sort of game. Not just computer games, but card games, board games, childrens game, mind games and all other kinds of games, is that the game can end and that it can be won. Not all games can be lost tho. But all games can end.
However, in MMOs like WoW it just does never end. It's already been discussed about many people. It's the fabled "carrot on a stick" syndrom. Your virtual avatar is chasing goals which can be conqured but never be realised, because it never ends. Therefore the game has no meaning.
Upon playing MMOs it's biggest force is the immersive feeling. Suddenly your in this other world, however while your immersed in this world you dont realise how much time you spent doing stupid crap and repetitive tasks - Doing things that you dont enjoy for ultimately getting a reward(a carrot). After getting the carrot you feel that your tedious time spent playing(grinding, moving around from point a to point b) was worthwhile because you got the reward.
I hate this. I think that every second you play a game that it should be fun.
The thing is that MMOs are just not fun. You do these things that are required of you - Tasks and challanges which don't test your brain or your eye cordination. It' has been proven in countless studies that playing hard strategic games or fast paced shooters can increase your capacitiy to think or help you concentrate, and that fast paced action games like counter-strike will improve your reaction time. LuffyTubby
A lot of games CAN NOT end. Have you ever tried Garry's Mod? That is probably one of the coolest games there is.
Many other good games can't be ended too, like you described WoW, like The Elder Scrolls series
you pay for a game for $60 dollars, play it for 10 hours, pay for $5 xbox live to even play it online(for about 10 hours as well), and repeat the next month. With WoW, you pay $20 for the disc and the first month combined, then less than or equal to $15 a month, and get 10's if not hundreds of hours in each month. If anything it is cheaper to be an MMO gamer because of how much gameplay you're getting for how much money you spend.
shakmaster13
Strong straw-man you got there.
Games for the PC costs only 40$ new, much less used. Most PC-games have free mods too, many which are of the same quality or higher than the original content.
Games like Unreal Tournament, Jedi Academy, Elder Scrolls-series, Warcraft 3, Quake 3, Half-Life-series have almost unlimited amount of FUN playtime combined with thousands of mods. Pretty much zero percentage of the playtime is "grinding", or spend listening to kids.
I have played City of Heroes myself for a couple months, so its not that I have something against MMO's, I just have something against blatant fanboys!!
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