WoW PvP Debate

I was having a little argument with my cousin who believes WoW PvP is the best thing since sliced bread. I believe it is Unreal Tournament with muskets and swords. I want to know what you all think.

The only MMOs my cousin has played are EQ for PS2 and WoW.

I always compare WoW's PvP to DAoC or SWG's PvP. In DAoC PvP meant something, securing relics that aid the entire realm, taking over massive forts and towers. No bunny hopping! Siege weapons. I think DAoC should be the corner stone for PvP in MMOs. Then you have SWG where players could build bases and assault them to destroy the Empire or Rebel's foothold in that area. Sure it was very one sided with Bounty Hunters and Commandos, but it felt like a real battle with lasers flying by and explosions.

I have high hopes for Warhammer. Though I do not PvP a great deal I still loved DAoC's PvP system the best and really hope EA Mythic translates the old PvP system well in the new MMO.

If they do keep a similar system as DAoC then WoW players (who began playing MMOs with WoW) will be in a for a rude awakening, at least the "PvP kiddies."

Old-school Ultima Online player-vs-player was all it was about - and still is, and it's been over 10 years.

First of all, you could loot everything off a player's body, thieves would camp outside town with crossbows and feed on noobs for loot, players could own their own ships, so you could battle eachother on the sea. There were player houses that people would turn into tournament arenas. This game was it, the community was very involved with eachother and there were boundless options. It sucks that the 2D is so unappealing to the current crowds, brilliant game.

But yes, out of the MMOs mentioned, DAoC the best PvP system, RvR felt so epic.

Lineage 2 is very fun endgame if you dedicate an immense amount of time to it as well.

WoW PvP looks interesting. i own guild wars, but never tried PvP andthat looks alright. i had the "PvP taste" on the way to post, but i guess that was ok...

i never tried ultima online... i really really want to try that out.

Old-school Ultima Online player-vs-player was all it was about - and still is, and it's been over 10 years.

First of all, you could loot everything off a player's body, thieves would camp outside town with crossbows and feed on noobs for loot, players could own their own ships, so you could battle eachother on the sea. There were player houses that people would turn into tournament arenas. This game was it, the community was very involved with eachother and there were boundless options. It sucks that the 2D is so unappealing to the current crowds, brilliant game.

But yes, out of the MMOs mentioned, DAoC the best PvP system, RvR felt so epic.

Lineage 2 is very fun endgame if you dedicate an immense amount of time to it as well.

FaceMelter93

Yes I wish another game would come around like that, but theyre all these boring Everquest clones .... Everyquest and WoW Degressed MMORPGS into mindless item grinding no freedom.RP/Sense of accomplishment grinding garbage.

WoW pvp was supposed to be like DAoC from the beginning with all the castle charges and all, but then some evil fella said "no no no kill, lets go hugiez! Make some stoopid BGs so that teh evil no hugzie people can be bored!" There have been some changes now, as wow trys to make some outdoor pvp (as in almost all outlands zones) but they still fail at it as it is only a cheap version of CTF =(grisibur

The Reality is the WoW Engines/Servers were so poor you cant do it, so they made instances.

WoW PvP was great, until the pre-mades with all purples came in and ruined it for the people with lives. So, I guess in the end I have to say WoW PvP sucks.weirjf

Oh yea and there were people like this whining because people put more effort it, that was also a downside.

[QUOTE="weirjf"]WoW PvP was great, until the pre-mades with all purples came in and ruined it for the people with lives. So, I guess in the end I have to say WoW PvP sucks.Meu2k7

Oh yea and there were people like this whining because people put more effort it, that was also a downside.

Oh yeah, people like this that actually think that time=effort. Or that account-sharing=deserving of better gear. Or that all purple gear=skill.

It doesn't, spankey... don't delude yourself that just because you sat back spamming one button in a raid 8 hours a day that you are somehow better or more deserving than anyone else. People out there with warlord gear because they know how to hit the space bar every 9.95 minutes obviously deserve to be better in PvP because of that warlord gear.

/slap

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="weirjf"]WoW PvP was great, until the pre-mades with all purples came in and ruined it for the people with lives. So, I guess in the end I have to say WoW PvP sucks.weirjf

Oh yea and there were people like this whining because people put more effort it, that was also a downside.

Oh yeah, people like this that actually think that time=effort. Or that account-sharing=deserving of better gear. Or that all purple gear=skill.

It doesn't, spankey... don't delude yourself that just because you sat back spamming one button in a raid 8 hours a day that you are somehow better or more deserving than anyone else. People out there with warlord gear because they know how to hit the space bar every 9.95 minutes obviously deserve to be better in PvP because of that warlord gear.

/slap

WoW Forums all over again, no thanks.

And Time invested in something does mean effort, ;)

World PvP was unbalanced, but interesting and often entertaining, a match between the overwhelming numbers but underwhelming tactics of the Alliance and the few, the proud, the Horde. Because it was a cooperative experience (at least on my PvE server), there was a measure of civility between the two sides--if you wanted to keep the fight going, you couldn't be too much of a jackass. Eventually you'd learn which players to watch out for and which ones were worthy of respect. PvP was fun.

Then the Battlegrounds came out and PvP was put into a cage at the end of a three hour queue. People (including me) defected to the Horde to balance things out a little, but a host of new problems kept popping up: the druids in thelevel 21-30 bracket issue, people dinging before entering the BG, and of course the proliferation of Free Action Potions and other ways to purchase victory. To top it all off, there is a very limited number of ways you can capture a flag three times. PvP got boring.

Then there was the rank overhaul which removed the irritation of trying to keep your rank each week, but in turn transformed the entire PvP experience into another grind. Now that there's less community among PvPers than ever thanks to cross-realm Battlegrounds, and worst of all, the PvP rewards don't compare to the Four Hour Raid Dungeon gear. There simply is very little incentive to PvP anymore. PvP is pointless and tedious.

On the upside, Warhammer Online is coming out in a few months, and they've had time to look at how much WoW PvP sucks and hopefully avoid the same mistakes.

I was having a little argument with my cousin who believes WoW PvP is the best thing since sliced bread. I believe it is Unreal Tournament with muskets and swords. I want to know what you all think.

The only MMOs my cousin has played are EQ for PS2 and WoW.

I always compare WoW's PvP to DAoC or SWG's PvP. In DAoC PvP meant something, securing relics that aid the entire realm, taking over massive forts and towers. No bunny hopping! Siege weapons. I think DAoC should be the corner stone for PvP in MMOs. Then you have SWG where players could build bases and assault them to destroy the Empire or Rebel's foothold in that area. Sure it was very one sided with Bounty Hunters and Commandos, but it felt like a real battle with lasers flying by and explosions.

cametall

lmao hell no it is not.. WoWs pvp is crap in the end where gear the majority of the time has more overbearing then any real skill.. In the end every server out there the best pvpers were the people who had the best gear... This is coming from a person who played the majority of the end game pvp.. On multiple servers.. One server we had transfers over where the majority of the alliance end game levels came where most max levels were horde.. So in the end we always lost against alliance not because they were better, on the contrary most of them sucked imo... Its just they were SO Much more better equiped then any other player.. Because of the time they spent.

Hmmm sweet Eva Longoria... :3Mithrandir0x

I played WoW up until level 55 but i quit because theworld PvP was none existant and the battlegrounds were boring an uninspired.Coupled with the fact that I could never compete with the no-lifers who spend all their time in dungeons getting the uber gear.

My favorite small scale PvPis easily Ultima Online. I loved the whole danger aspect of leaving protected areas and the fact that the game was skill based and not equipment based but unfortunately the game was ruined when the PvE world was implemented.

DAOC was the daddy in Realm Vs Realm (i.e hundreds of players fighting at the same time to take forts or defending/attacking Relic Keeps) but the PvE part was not so good with XP loss on death and the difficulty finding groups and leveling took ages.

Ireally hope that Age of Conan and Warhammer: Age of Reckoning build on DAOC and take world PvP to another level and with Mythic making WAR im confident it'll be great!

WoW PvP has absolutely nothing in common with UT.

World of Warcraft PvP in Battlegrounds and the Arena is lame simply due to the fact that the gear gaps give certain players absolutely huge advantages over not-as-well geared players. You needn't look further than the lower end brackets dominated by "twink" characters in epic gear, who do 2-3 times as much damage as the average geared player for that bracket, and pretty much never die. Lower geared characters don't even have a chance. Even at the higher end brackets this is still a problem, and the fastest way to progress in gear is to raid.

It's 65% gear and stats, 35% skill. Even the extremely skilled player with average gear can't outlast a player with significantly better gear than them, and mediocre skill. Especially considering things such as diminishing returns exist in PvP on stuns and CC.

Not to mention the game's classes (and specs for that matter) are quite poorly balanced.

The game's poor PvP is the primary reason why I stopped playing. That, and the repetetiveness of the game's PvE aspect.

Ultima Online back in the day, makes all the new MMO look like p u ss ys. Seriously. Your whole charcter/house/account could get looted and pilaged back in the day. Now its all gay afied..... MMO are boring now.19chevelle72

Agreed, the only thing WoW had going for it was PvE , which became a massive chore. Ultima was the best time for MMO's its a shame people cant be arsed to use their own imaginations instead of following scripted content like it was the greatest thing to ever happen.

Ultima Online was one of its kind, started the MMO genre and was amazing. WoW as an EQ clone dumbed down.