WoW vs Warhammer Online

I start playing WoW during the spring when I have time, and I was just wondering if I should switch over to Warhammer online. I know not much can be said for WH Online since it has not yet came out, but I need to know if I should go ahead and pay for WoW and start racking up my character. I however am looking for a game that is more fraction vs. fraction rather than just quest that are PvE. So if anyone has any useful knowledge or an opinion on the game please reply.

I already quit wow waiting for WAR, there are lots like me switching over (atleast to try it) ... people are getting sick of wow, hopefully war is refreshing

In WoW, you are forced to Raid beyond a point. The best gear is simply to be obtained by raiding. PvP is rumored to be an option, which is more or less true.

In WAR, you are force to RvR beyond a point. Raiding is rumored to be an option and nobody can say if it will be true or not.

- If you want to do neither Raiding or RvR/PvP

- If the whole path of progression matters a LOT to you (from start to the end)

- If dreaming of been the BEST at grouping/soloing is important to you

Then, neither game is for you. They are both arguably a lot more friendly toward the casuals, toward the groupers, toward the core gamers than other MMOs. But, they are not dedicated totally to the CORE gameplay (PvE-grouping) on any server and/or race. Thereby, no person which take grouping in PvE seriously should consider either game...unless they also enjoys RvR or Raiding. If you just want to play casually...sure...but if you start liking the game and start taking it seriously (the game is designed to make that happen), you ain't casual anymore...and if you don't like RvR/Raiding, then you will HATE these games which resolves about 80% of the time about PvE-grouping without allowing you total fullfillment in it.

I start playing WoW during the spring when I have time, and I was just wondering if I should switch over to Warhammer online. I know not much can be said for WH Online since it has not yet came out, but I need to know if I should go ahead and pay for WoW and start racking up my character. I however am looking for a game that is more fraction vs. fraction rather than just quest that are PvE. So if anyone has any useful knowledge or an opinion on the game please reply.

Manibou

why dont u play wow now and pick up warhammer when it comes out and give it a go. then if u like one more than the other switch to it.

In WoW, you are forced to Raid beyond a point. The best gear is simply to be obtained by raiding. PvP is rumored to be an option, which is more or less true.

In WAR, you are force to RvR beyond a point. Raiding is rumored to be an option and nobody can say if it will be true or not.

- If you want to do neither Raiding or RvR/PvP

- If the whole path of progression matters a LOT to you (from start to the end)

- If dreaming of been the BEST at grouping/soloing is important to you

Then, neither game is for you. They are both arguably a lot more friendly toward the casuals, toward the groupers, toward the core gamers than other MMOs. But, they are not dedicated totally to the CORE gameplay (PvE-grouping) on any server and/or race. Thereby, no person which take grouping in PvE seriously should consider either game...unless they also enjoys RvR or Raiding. If you just want to play casually...sure...but if you start liking the game and start taking it seriously (the game is designed to make that happen), you ain't casual anymore...and if you don't like RvR/Raiding, then you will HATE these games which resolves about 80% of the time about PvE-grouping without allowing you total fullfillment in it.

Anofalye

When I was playing WoW I was around a 35 and I felt as though mostly all the game was PvE and I was even playing in a PvP server. I really am looking for more of a PvP/RvR feeling where the focus is around actually killing the other fraction instead of A.I. So is WAR the way to go if thats what I'm looking for.

[QUOTE="Anofalye"]

In WoW, you are forced to Raid beyond a point. The best gear is simply to be obtained by raiding. PvP is rumored to be an option, which is more or less true.

In WAR, you are force to RvR beyond a point. Raiding is rumored to be an option and nobody can say if it will be true or not.

- If you want to do neither Raiding or RvR/PvP

- If the whole path of progression matters a LOT to you (from start to the end)

- If dreaming of been the BEST at grouping/soloing is important to you

Then, neither game is for you. They are both arguably a lot more friendly toward the casuals, toward the groupers, toward the core gamers than other MMOs. But, they are not dedicated totally to the CORE gameplay (PvE-grouping) on any server and/or race. Thereby, no person which take grouping in PvE seriously should consider either game...unless they also enjoys RvR or Raiding. If you just want to play casually...sure...but if you start liking the game and start taking it seriously (the game is designed to make that happen), you ain't casual anymore...and if you don't like RvR/Raiding, then you will HATE these games which resolves about 80% of the time about PvE-grouping without allowing you total fullfillment in it.

Manibou

When I was playing WoW I was around a 35 and I felt as though mostly all the game was PvE and I was even playing in a PvP server. I really am looking for more of a PvP/RvR feeling where the focus is around actually killing the other fraction instead of A.I. So is WAR the way to go if thats what I'm looking for.

Most definetely Warhammers niche is pvp. The games itself will be strongly PVP based and the majority of the popular end game content (or so the dev's would make u believe) will be pvp in some nature. This is non instanced PVP though which to me makes it quite a bit more exciting than in WoW where you went to AV just to find the horde to have 25 or 40 people AFK no fun there.

When I was playing WoW I was around a 35 and I felt as though mostly all the game was PvE and I was even playing in a PvP server. I really am looking for more of a PvP/RvR feeling where the focus is around actually killing the other fraction instead of A.I. So is WAR the way to go if thats what I'm looking for.

Manibou

I doubt you will see much RvR by level 35...

See, the logic of these devs is that everyone has to play the PvE-grouping game until max level, then, they enjoy the "real game" or are denied the proper conclusion.

Maybe I am wrong...but...don't count on that.

According to the devs of WAR, it should be possible to PvP right off the bat, starting with lvl 1.

I'm excited about WAR :-)

I don't like WAR at all.. (know from expiernce)

Defiently not getting the game.

According to the devs of WAR, it should be possible to PvP right off the bat, starting with lvl 1.

I'm excited about WAR :-)

Endnuen

To earn XP and level up, you need to kill PvE stuff. You can do that in RvR zones from level 1. RvR means that opposing faction will most likely just attack you, which lead to zerg/gank a LOT more than no-faction PvP, as they all feel the devs encourage them to kill the other factions as often as possible.

Again, if neither raiding or RvR are your thing, you would be better staying FAR from both games (unless you are very Zen). Both game systems relly heavily on a pre-requisite to PvE-grouping, which is, the core of the game prior the "endgame" where you have either to RvR or Raid, or be denied the proper conclusion.

This system is thinked to get an extra month of subscribtion NOW, no matter the other consequences (like losing 12 months of re-subs and more sold boxes). All that matters with this design is the current month. So the game leads you to believe you can be happy in PvE-grouping while mirroiting RvR/Raiding for the fans, yet hiding it enough for the non-fans. Devs use FAST-TALKING technics a LOT in most reviews they give. Just like saying, you can RvR from level 1. See how this is fast talking? To level up, you will have to hunt PvE stuff nonetheless, RvR at level 1 mostly means ganking/zergfest and most peoples will just focus on leveling up until they have the upper hand, and then, they will RvR on anyone they can meet...so an utopist who zone in wanting cool RvR at level 1...well...good luck, but if I were you, I would go buy lottery tickets, better odds.

Warhammer online seems like an empty game to me ... but wel see...

I bet it will fall flat on its face ... PvP is nice, but an entire game devoted to it? I get annoyed having to do Battlegrounds over and over let alone this.

Warhammer online seems like an empty game to me ... but wel see...

I bet it will fall flat on its face ... PvP is nice, but an entire game devoted to it? I get annoyed having to do Battlegrounds over and over let alone this.

Meu2k7

Compare it to DAoC success and expand due to:

- IP name

- EA supports

- Mythic reputation and past achievements due to DAoC.

If it isn't 4 times more successfull than DAoC was, it will be a critical failure in my book. (although prolly still quite profitable, yet nothing compared to what it could have been). 4 times more successfull than DAoC bring the mark at about the million subscribers.

[QUOTE="Endnuen"]

According to the devs of WAR, it should be possible to PvP right off the bat, starting with lvl 1.

I'm excited about WAR :-)

Anofalye

To earn XP and level up, you need to kill PvE stuff. You can do that in RvR zones from level 1. RvR means that opposing faction will most likely just attack you, which lead to zerg/gank a LOT more than no-faction PvP, as they all feel the devs encourage them to kill the other factions as often as possible.

Again, if neither raiding or RvR are your thing, you would be better staying FAR from both games (unless you are very Zen). Both game systems relly heavily on a pre-requisite to PvE-grouping, which is, the core of the game prior the "endgame" where you have either to RvR or Raid, or be denied the proper conclusion.

This system is thinked to get an extra month of subscribtion NOW, no matter the other consequences (like losing 12 months of re-subs and more sold boxes). All that matters with this design is the current month. So the game leads you to believe you can be happy in PvE-grouping while mirroiting RvR/Raiding for the fans, yet hiding it enough for the non-fans. Devs use FAST-TALKING technics a LOT in most reviews they give. Just like saying, you can RvR from level 1. See how this is fast talking? To level up, you will have to hunt PvE stuff nonetheless, RvR at level 1 mostly means ganking/zergfest and most peoples will just focus on leveling up until they have the upper hand, and then, they will RvR on anyone they can meet...so an utopist who zone in wanting cool RvR at level 1...well...good luck, but if I were you, I would go buy lottery tickets, better odds.

You can level up on PVP i'm getting experience for each kill i'm doing and questing in PVP zones.

I'm currently in WAR beta though cause of the NDE can't talk about it but it's pretty kool, if you don't liek current mmorpgs this game wont draw you in though. Also you can level 100% on PVP from start to end so it's very kool for people who love PVP and theres lots of PVE but not to WOW's standards.

WOW = PVE

WAR = PVPGrantelicious

You think the game is cool? The game is horrible, the graphics suck on that game and the first quest you do is GO KILL THIS!

Horrible HORRIBLE game..
I was thinking this game would surpass WoW but there is no way it can do that..

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]I'm currently in WAR beta though cause of the NDE can't talk about it but it's pretty kool, if you don't liek current mmorpgs this game wont draw you in though. Also you can level 100% on PVP from start to end so it's very kool for people who love PVP and theres lots of PVE but not to WOW's standards.

WOW = PVE

WAR = PVPExpo_Smacko

You think the game is cool? The game is horrible, the graphics suck on that game and the first quest you do is GO KILL THIS!

Horrible HORRIBLE game..
I was thinking this game would surpass WoW but there is no way it can do that..

Well the graphics are a step up from WOW and isn't every first quest in a mmorpg "go kill this"???? The PVP is more in depth than WOW but the PVE isn't so it all depends on what you like.....

Though tbh it's not hard cause WOW sucks at PVP.

You can level up on PVP i'm getting experience for each kill i'm doing and questing in PVP zones.Grantelicious

Can you level up as fast without killing anything PvE, just limiting yourself to PvP, then someone who would kill PvE stuff? If you kill a PvE mob in a PvP zone, you are doing PvE, not PvP.

WoW = PvE grouping/soloing up to max level, then PvE raiding...this is by no mean PvE shortform.

WAR = mostly PvE for earning levels, then RvR for l33t gear.

[QUOTE="Expo_Smacko"]

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]I'm currently in WAR beta though cause of the NDE can't talk about it but it's pretty kool, if you don't liek current mmorpgs this game wont draw you in though. Also you can level 100% on PVP from start to end so it's very kool for people who love PVP and theres lots of PVE but not to WOW's standards.

WOW = PVE

WAR = PVPGrantelicious

You think the game is cool? The game is horrible, the graphics suck on that game and the first quest you do is GO KILL THIS!

Horrible HORRIBLE game..
I was thinking this game would surpass WoW but there is no way it can do that..

Well the graphics are a step up from WOW and isn't every first quest in a mmorpg "go kill this"???? The PVP is more in depth than WOW but the PVE isn't so it all depends on what you like.....

Though tbh it's not hard cause WOW sucks at PVP.

Artistically I would say WoW looks much better, I cant say I'm impressed with WAR's graphics.

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"][QUOTE="Expo_Smacko"]

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]I'm currently in WAR beta though cause of the NDE can't talk about it but it's pretty kool, if you don't liek current mmorpgs this game wont draw you in though. Also you can level 100% on PVP from start to end so it's very kool for people who love PVP and theres lots of PVE but not to WOW's standards.

WOW = PVE

WAR = PVPMeu2k7

You think the game is cool? The game is horrible, the graphics suck on that game and the first quest you do is GO KILL THIS!

Horrible HORRIBLE game..
I was thinking this game would surpass WoW but there is no way it can do that..

Well the graphics are a step up from WOW and isn't every first quest in a mmorpg "go kill this"???? The PVP is more in depth than WOW but the PVE isn't so it all depends on what you like.....

Though tbh it's not hard cause WOW sucks at PVP.

Artistically I would say WoW looks much better, I cant say I'm impressed with WAR's graphics.

I don't play WoW anymore but thank you for agreeing! Haha. :P

The visuals in WoW are cartoony, so its fine if it doesnt have the best graphics. The visuals in WAR are realistic (trying to be realistic), so its not fine if the grpahics arent the best. Hopefully you will understand what I'm saying.

Also, when in 2008 is it comming out?

HAve to wait for a later date before the graphics get improved seeing as lots of things are missing atm.

If there is 1 server with all loot to drop on PvE-group mob (or on 1 merchant to be purchase if you don't want to put work on this), I would go buy WAR without a second though...and possibly play for years+ (play EQ and CoX for 2-4 years each after all, now, a WAR server about PvE-grouping can't be more shallow than CoX, even if they try it).

But...it ain't happening. Your journey pass through PvE mobs (can be in PvP zones, still PvE) and it ends in RvR and possibly have the option to raid, which, is by no means, acceptable. The WHOLE path of progression must be certified and fun from a grouping-PvE point of view, on at least 1 server...or for 1 race. Players hindering players = nervous breakdown and unhappy, no matter if I win or lose. My name is supposed to mean Power of the Tribe in Celtic, and although I don't really get all this...it definitely seems to fit. If some servers function in RvR, cool...but...don't expect to draw at all your potential customers by forcing RvR on them...I am pretty sure that a big amount of players would think similarly to me, Jumpgate devs estimate this to be 1 player on 2 which bear no form of PvP enforcement at all...even if they are wrong, it is still a considerable amount of players...and heavy revenues...extra revenues which could be used to developp your RvR even more...

I really WANT to find a reason to play cold-WAR, I can't

I am dropping WoW for war....along with several of my guildmates...world wide realm vs realm is the focus of the game, but there is also PVE, and so much more...

Go to your local Target store, they have a a 99 cent box with codes to join the open beta whch begins on sep 7. Follow the directons in the box to create an account and download the client...no fee to participate in the open beta...the dowlnload is nearly 10 gig, so do not poke around if you have a slow connection, or you will miss it,lol

Retail release date is Sep 18

[QUOTE="Manibou"]

When I was playing WoW I was around a 35 and I felt as though mostly all the game was PvE and I was even playing in a PvP server. I really am looking for more of a PvP/RvR feeling where the focus is around actually killing the other fraction instead of A.I. So is WAR the way to go if thats what I'm looking for.

Anofalye

I doubt you will see much RvR by level 35...

See, the logic of these devs is that everyone has to play the PvE-grouping game until max level, then, they enjoy the "real game" or are denied the proper conclusion.

Maybe I am wrong...but...don't count on that.

You are most definitely wrong, pve and rvr are both readily accessible right from the start, do a little research before you spread bad information.

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/

[QUOTE="Grantelicious"]You can level up on PVP i'm getting experience for each kill i'm doing and questing in PVP zones.Anofalye

Can you level up as fast without killing anything PvE, just limiting yourself to PvP, then someone who would kill PvE stuff? If you kill a PvE mob in a PvP zone, you are doing PvE, not PvP.

WoW = PvE grouping/soloing up to max level, then PvE raiding...this is by no mean PvE shortform.

WAR = mostly PvE for earning levels, then RvR for l33t gear.

You sure do like spouting falsehoods - players have a choice of leveling by pve,pvp, or both..the gear in the game is obtained through both types of play, and is comparable between pve and pvp loot. Once again, do not post unless you know what you are talking about

After playing the retail version, i have to agree that the graphics aren't very good and certainly not better than WoW (which isn't saying a whole lot). That said, i am more than happy to give up graphics for good game play. WAR is painfully boring and just doesn't have the "it" factor. In short, it sucks! It has poor gameplay, graphics, story, etc. I would still feel ripped off even if it didn't have a monthly subscription. Anyone who continues to pay monthly for this game seriously needs to get a real life.sabuna

0/10 bad troll. gb2 wow