Xbox360 Ports

Whats the deal with them?

Its like all games now are developed with the xbox in mind first, and then ported over to the PC. Take a Oblivion and Bioshock as two examples.

I don't know why people like paying more for the same games on xbox and having to play with a controller over mouse and keyboard.

They're the reason everyone should boycott Xbox. It's ruining PC games because they are ported to PC instead of the way that it should be...PC to Xbox.

Why develop a game on a crappy limited system and THEN try to bring it to a more powerful and flexible system? They're effing retarded for doing it that way.

Ill tell you why, how about that its for one thing VERY expensive to upgrade your computer, and takes a little more knowledge to install Videocards/RAM etc than the average person knows.36O

Ill tell you why, how about that its for one thing VERY expensive to upgrade your computer, and takes a little more knowledge to install Videocards/RAM etc than the average person knows.36O

If the average computer user spent an additional $500 on their computer or whatever an Xbox costs they would have a perfect gaming machine.

And if people don't know how to install a videocard you need to hit them in the head with a hammer and do the human race a favor. Step one, insert videocard into slot. Step two, install drivers. I can't stand how stupid, apathetic, and lazy most people are when it comes to common sense tasks and knowledge.

An Xbox is a lot harder to keep running than a PC at this point...there is no excuse besides laziness.

I play on the PC, Xbox360, and Wii. If a game is available on multiple platforms, I always buy it on the 360 first, unless the release date is much later. I actually PREFER the controller a lot over the keyboard and mouse. In fact, I'm starting to become irritated that more "Games for Windows" aren't compatible with the Xbox360 controller because I like to use it with my PC, too.

Just be glad games come out on multiple platforms. There will be fewer games you will have to miss out on if you don't own every gaming system. I'm already looking at shelling out for a PS3 too now that they have some exclusives I'm interested in.

[QUOTE="36O"]Ill tell you why, how about that its for one thing VERY expensive to upgrade your computer, and takes a little more knowledge to install Videocards/RAM etc than the average person knows.D9-THC

If the average computer user spent an additional $500 on their computer or whatever an Xbox costs they would have a perfect gaming machine.

And if people don't know how to install a videocard you need to hit them in the head with a hammer and do the human race a favor. Step one, insert videocard into slot. Step two, install drivers. I can't stand how stupid, apathetic, and lazy most people are when it comes to common sense tasks and knowledge.

An Xbox is a lot harder to keep running than a PC at this point...there is no excuse besides laziness.

I can't stand fanboys. Of any system. Stop bashing.

I love PC gaming but it definitely costs me a lot more than my consoles. The console I pay for once, and then when I buy the games I know they will work without upgrades. The PC requires frequent upgrades to keep up with games, and buying a true gaming pc costs a lot more than buying a console. And I don't mean one of those lame-o pc's that are built with word processing and office tasks in mind like most of them are, I mean one with the power to handle today's games. I don't regret the money I've spent on my PC because I love playing on it. But I love the 360 also, and I TOTALLY understand why some people would say they can't afford PC gaming.

I play on the PC, Xbox360, and Wii. If a game is available on multiple platforms, I always buy it on the 360 first, unless the release date is much later. I actually PREFER the controller a lot over the keyboard and mouse. In fact, I'm starting to become irritated that more "Games for Windows" aren't compatible with the Xbox360 controller because I like to use it with my PC, too.

Just be glad games come out on multiple platforms. There will be fewer games you will have to miss out on if you don't own every gaming system. I'm already looking at shelling out for a PS3 too now that they have some exclusives I'm interested in.

Diva-of-Destiny

Get out of this Thread.

Back to the topic!

I think its Rather stupid the fact they produce the game on a PC and yet they don't bring it out on it first?

But anyway not all Ports are that bad Oblivion dosent even feel like a port i think its a great game the same goes for RS:V.

I'm not a fan boy...I just love gaming and I understand how big of a threat Xbox is to gaming.

I own every system ever made except for Xbox.

1.) consols cost more if u add an HDTV

2.) pc can cost less if u know how to shop and not be a dumbass

3.) u dont need to upgrade your pc every 5 months im so tired of hearing that its so not true u upgrade every 5 years if u buy good parts

4.) consols are becoming pc's and there games cost 10 dollars more (main reason why i choose pc multiplatform games)

5.) pc you get better online, singleplayer, graphics, mods etc

6.) lastly **** is making pcgaming look bad i mean i like the games for windows brand but when a game REQUIERS a operating system like vista and things are tied to software making things very striced and limited it becomes a hassle although i am happy for such things as Gears of war on pc finially a good port for pc

[QUOTE="Diva-of-Destiny"]

I play on the PC, Xbox360, and Wii. If a game is available on multiple platforms, I always buy it on the 360 first, unless the release date is much later. I actually PREFER the controller a lot over the keyboard and mouse. In fact, I'm starting to become irritated that more "Games for Windows" aren't compatible with the Xbox360 controller because I like to use it with my PC, too.

Just be glad games come out on multiple platforms. There will be fewer games you will have to miss out on if you don't own every gaming system. I'm already looking at shelling out for a PS3 too now that they have some exclusives I'm interested in.

gamerchris810

Get out of this Thread.

Back to the topic!

I think its Rather stupid the fact they produce the game on a PC and yet they don't bring it out on it first?

But anyway not all Ports are that bad Oblivion dosent even feel like a port i think its a great game the same goes for RS:V.

I won't "get out" and I was COMPLETELY ON TOPIC. This thread is about ports. I gave my opinion of ports, that it's good because everyone has a chance to play the game regardless of what system they own. I should get out just because I'm not a PC fanboy? I've put a lot more money into my gaming pc than anything else so I've got as much business on the PC forum as anyone else.

Why develop a game on a crappy limited system and THEN try to bring it to a more powerful and flexible system? They're effing retarded for doing it that way.D9-THC

It's very simple really...

1. Cost. By developing a game for the lowest common denominator (console + controller) they can ensure the game will work across a range of systems. If they develop a title for the PC first, they then have to go back and start stripping stuff out, tweaking, optimising, testing to try and crunch it down in size and usability to fit the console platform. That takes extra time, which means extra dollars.

2. The console is a closed platform with static hardware, so developers usually claim it is easier to highlight bugs, tweak the gameplay, etc., without having to worry about a particular issue being hardware/driver related, hence saving time, and therefore dollars.

These are just two of the reasons why many developers are going multi-platform and using the Xbox360 as the lead development platform. The unfortunate side-effect is that they are too lazy to optimise the game engines for the PC, and sometimes don't even bother to change the interface to be PC-centric, or the FOV to 90 (console games have a more restricted FOV which leads to the zoomed in tunnel-vision effect).

It all comes down to saving dollars and maximising sales.

I dunno what it is with 360 ports, they just seem to be second rate products, when the old xbox was the primary development platform the games were still great even on PC(Kotor, Jedi Knights, Fable, Riddick).

But for Bioshock I heard it's supposed to be done well on both platforms, PC version has its own interface etc. so I'm glad to see that exceptions do occure. The whole issue could be solved if the devs would just take time to optimize the PC version not only for PCs but for PC Gamers as well.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]Why develop a game on a crappy limited system and THEN try to bring it to a more powerful and flexible system? They're effing retarded for doing it that way.RobertBowen

It's very simple really...

1. Cost. By developing a game for the lowest common denominator (console + controller) they can ensure the game will work across a range of systems. If they develop a title for the PC first, they then have to go back and start stripping stuff out, tweaking, optimising, testing to try and crunch it down in size and usability to fit the console platform. That takes extra time, which means extra dollars.

2. The console is a closed platform with static hardware, so developers usually claim it is easier to highlight bugs, tweak the gameplay, etc., without having to worry about a particular issue being hardware/driver related, hence saving time, and therefore dollars.

These are just two of the reasons why many developers are going multi-platform and using the Xbox360 as the lead development platform. The unfortunate side-effect is that they are too lazy to optimise the game engines for the PC, and sometimes don't even bother to change the interface to be PC-centric, or the FOV to 90 (console games have a more restricted FOV which leads to the zoomed in tunnel-vision effect).

It all comes down to saving dollars and maximising sales.

Which begs the question...why even bother with ports?

PC gamers are smart enough to know when games are "huge hits" and publishers want to just cash in on a game's big name. The lazy ports like RE4 come to mind...

It's too bad the Xbox had to come into existence...ports didn't used to matter because the good games went to PC first like they're supposed to.

Now games with limitless potential end up being more console crap for the masses to consume. It's funny though...Xbox is the only system that ruins PC games by existing. When was the last time any PC game has been ported from PS3? Hell...even the PS2? I can't think of a single one...

Xbox, lowering standards one gamer at a time.

it comes down to availability. These games are mostly sold to kids first and those who have no jobs. They cannot afford to have good pcs but are able to save up for an xbox etc. skudoops

PC gaming is just as accessible. I've been building my own rigs since I was 14 and started working.

Kids these days just don't realize what they're missing out on because they have "HALO IS GOD!!" crammed down their throat from day one. Halo is a dollar menu item at mcdonalds...

[QUOTE="skudoops"]it comes down to availability. These games are mostly sold to kids first and those who have no jobs. They cannot afford to have good pcs but are able to save up for an xbox etc. D9-THC

PC gaming is just as accessible. I've been building my own rigs since I was 14 and started working.

Kids these days just don't realize what they're missing out on because they have "HALO IS GOD!!" crammed down their throat from day one. Halo is a dollar menu item at mcdonalds...

There are exceptions,I am also one of those, I did odd jobs and such so I could buy good gaming pcs now that I have a great job it's easier than ever(work expierence ftw). I myself have a 360 and a Very high end rig, I use the rig x10 more. I don't feel i wasted money on the 360 but since I have had to have it fixed twice now, it's really annoying. Back to the many point. The amount of people that can see the level of 360s GFX graphics on thier pc is ALOT less than those who own a 360.

[QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="skudoops"]it comes down to availability. These games are mostly sold to kids first and those who have no jobs. They cannot afford to have good pcs but are able to save up for an xbox etc. skudoops

PC gaming is just as accessible. I've been building my own rigs since I was 14 and started working.

Kids these days just don't realize what they're missing out on because they have "HALO IS GOD!!" crammed down their throat from day one. Halo is a dollar menu item at mcdonalds...

There are exceptions,I am also one of those, I did odd jobs and such so I could buy good gaming pcs now that I have a great job it's easier than ever(work expierence ftw). I myself have a 360 and a Very high end rig, I use the rig x10 more. I don't feel i wasted money on the 360 but since I have had to have it fixed twice now, it's really annoying. Back to the many point. The amount of people that can see the level of 360s GFX graphics on thier pc is ALOT less than those who own a 360.

You bring up an extremely important point and that is that graphics have superceded the importance of gameplay thanks mostly in part to Xbox. It couldn't brag about it's deplorable selection of games to compete with the PS2 so it had to push the "Yeah well we do better graphics so there!" tactic.

Graphics should never be the primary focus for any system. My biggest beef with Xbox is the fact that games have moved away from innovation because it's "risky." Why not do something that is tried and true and just give it a graphical overhaul? People will think they're playing something brand new!

Nintendo understands innovation > graphics and their sales will reflect that that's what the people really want. I just hope the Wii is the silver bullet for the inhuman rapacious heart of the Xbox...

I dunno what it is with 360 ports, they just seem to be second rate products, when the old xbox was the primary development platform the games were still great even on PC(Kotor, Jedi Knights, Fable, Riddick).

But for Bioshock I heard it's supposed to be done well on both platforms, PC version has its own interface etc. so I'm glad to see that exceptions do occure. The whole issue could be solved if the devs would just take time to optimize the PC version not only for PCs but for PC Gamers as well.

EntwineX

Yeah I haven't played those games you mentioned but I agree with what you said. I also think its the devs and publishers fault(mostly the devs) they just seem to be ****ing lazy or to overwhelmedby the tech todesign games on the PC that's why they resort to developing them on the consoles, its much simpler.

$399 for 360 +$2,000 to $2,500 will get u 1080p t.v. I thought pcs were expensive for what that costs i could buy or build an elite pc that would look at least 2x as good as the 360 running at 1080 p.

[QUOTE="skudoops"][QUOTE="D9-THC"]

[QUOTE="skudoops"]it comes down to availability. These games are mostly sold to kids first and those who have no jobs. They cannot afford to have good pcs but are able to save up for an xbox etc. D9-THC

PC gaming is just as accessible. I've been building my own rigs since I was 14 and started working.

Kids these days just don't realize what they're missing out on because they have "HALO IS GOD!!" crammed down their throat from day one. Halo is a dollar menu item at mcdonalds...

There are exceptions,I am also one of those, I did odd jobs and such so I could buy good gaming pcs now that I have a great job it's easier than ever(work expierence ftw). I myself have a 360 and a Very high end rig, I use the rig x10 more. I don't feel i wasted money on the 360 but since I have had to have it fixed twice now, it's really annoying. Back to the many point. The amount of people that can see the level of 360s GFX graphics on thier pc is ALOT less than those who own a 360.

You bring up an extremely important point and that is that graphics have superceded the importance of gameplay thanks mostly in part to Xbox. It couldn't brag about it's deplorable selection of games to compete with the PS2 so it had to push the "Yeah well we do better graphics so there!" tactic.

Graphics should never be the primary focus for any system. My biggest beef with Xbox is the fact that games have moved away from innovation because it's "risky." Why not do something that is tried and true and just give it a graphical overhaul? People will think they're playing something brand new!

Nintendo understands innovation > graphics and their sales will reflect that that's what the people really want. I just hope the Wii is the silver bullet for the inhuman rapacious heart of the Xbox...

So true, the whole selling point of the xbox and halo was it's graphics. Nothing else,I mean I love great gfx but it better be backed up by greater gameplay or the game is garbage for me. Nothing but eye candy that I can see if my system can push to the limit.