You know HD is a bit overrated when you see SD on CRT!!

So my bro was watching a DVD on a 29" philips CRT and for a moment I thought it was HD movie. :?

Now granted I was sitting quite far away but even when I sat on my couch it was still pretty clear. I could tell it's not HD but really it was not bad at all.

I think LCD's have marred our image of SD content due to how incredibly poor they are at displaying it, once you go back to a quality CRT you remember DVD movies didnt look as bad back in the day as todays LCD's make it look like.

Does it matter now HDTV's are just as cheap as the old crt tv's were

Does it matter now HDTV's are just as cheap as the old crt tv's were

lulmont

I am obviously not suggesting to go back to an SD CRT from an HD LCD but still it's something interesting nevertheless cuz I also had started to believe SD and HD is really this gigantic out of this world difference when the main reason is that we compare it on high res LCD's that are poor at displaying low resolution content.

No it isn't sdtv looks crap, its blurry and undefined and you get nasty flickering. There must be something wrong with your eyes because Bluray completely destroys standard definition (576P).

No it isn't sdtv looks crap, its blurry and undefined and you get nasty flickering. There must be something wrong with your eyes because Bluray completely destroys standard definition (576P).

SapSacPrime

No it isn't sdtv looks crap, its blurry and undefined and you get nasty flickering. There must be something wrong with your eyes because Bluray completely destroys standard definition (576P).

SapSacPrime

I agree I got my Wii hooked up to a good CRT tv and the games look great.

I agree I got my Wii hooked up to a good CRT tv and the games look great.

Vickman178

Eh well games are a different story altogether because there is aliasing in games, movies dont have it thus the difference between a 480p and 720p movie is no way near as impeccable as with games.

See I said in the title it is "a bit" overrated and I am only talking about video.

So my bro was watching a DVD on a 29" philips CRT and for a moment I thought it was HD movie. :?

Now granted I was sitting quite far away but even when I sat on my couch it was still pretty clear. I could tell it's not HD but really it was not bad at all.

I think LCD's have marred our image of SD content due to how incredibly poor they are at displaying it, once you go back to a quality CRT you remember DVD movies didnt look as bad back in the day as todays LCD's make it look like.

Gambler_3

Bluray 1080p however destroys all! :D

Try to watch a DVD on a PC CRT monitor at the highest resolution.

DVD = ED, not SD.KHAndAnime

Even so, but arent most old crt sdtv just with ed content from the dvd.

I do agree with op, old crt still looks good at the couch and does not suffer from all the grayness that my samsung has. Though I seriously hate their weight, took two people to carry a 27 inch @.o.

Yes CRTs scale content very well probably because of the inherent way they paint the pixels on the display. I use a CRT often on my main rig when I am moving to dorm and take my 120hz display. I put the CRT at 800x600 with 140hz, and the content isn't half bad. OFC native res for it is 1280x1024 at 85hz, but 85hz sucks, 120hz is needed minimum ;p.

When I put I put sd content on it at its native res, the content looks great, much better than the LCDs.

Nostalgia may be having some impact, here. I have a Sony KD-34XBR970 CRT Television hooked up to my Wii via Component Cables, which is basically native 480p. We just got Skyward Sword, and I'll be honest, it's laughably bad. The Wii just looks terrible. I'm a huge, huge Nintendo fan, but the console has aged very poorly.

The television is okay, but I wouldn't consider another CRT. It has problems with geometry, screen size is limited, it's huge, consumes a ton of power, and is limted in resolution (which is a problem when attempting to display computer output, such as text).

Colors are great, and it has a beautiful picture for SD and HD content (i.e. not True HD, or 1080p), but at this point an alternative format is becoming increasingly desirable. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way for a CRT, and have no desire to see the format return. It only became as good as it was because it had matured as a technology. Once OLED has some time to mature that's where I'm headed.

Boz

You people are doing it wrong by comparing wii games to 360/PS3 games. As I said games are a different thing.

Try playing a PS2 game on a CRT with CGI cutscenes and just see how good and clear the cutscenes look.

You people are doing it wrong by comparing wii games to 360/PS3 games. As I said games are a different thing.

Try playing a PS2 game on a CRT with CGI cutscenes and just see how good and clear the cutscenes look.

Gambler_3

Trying to say Sd is just as good as Hd and convince everyone its true is another thing.

gagit811

I was merely raising a point that our perception of the difference between HD and SD VIDEO(not games) is skewed due to LCD's.

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Trying to say Sd is just as good as Hd and convince everyone its true is another thing.

Gambler_3

I was merely raising a point that our perception of the difference between HD and SD VIDEO(not games) is skewed due to LCD's.

One thing I think you may have missed is the biggest crt tv was 42'', the largest most people had was 35''. Lower resolution sd doesn't look so bad on the smaller screen sizes, the pixels are closer together. Just imagine you took your cell phone and blew the screen size up with same resolution, it wouldn't look so sharp and crystal clear. When Lcd came in we got bigger and bigger tvs, Sd just doesn't look so good on a 55'' lcd. To be completely honest SD on a 29'' crt is fine, its not hd but as long as you aren't reading small text it will get the job done.

I remember buying my first dvd player in 98 and buying a s-video cord to connect to my 27'' crt. The difference was like night and day, everything got so much sharper and clearer. I remember buying a 47'' crt rptv that same year and buying a new dvd player just for the component inputs, now the colors where better. In 2001 I got a 47'' HD RPTV didn't have any HD channels yet but I got a new dvd player that supported 480p, now that really made difference in clarity. From there my cable company started rolling out HD channels in 2002. I used to watch football and switched between sd and hd because I was in aw if how superior hd was to sd. I guess to sum up my story I remember the evolution of SD to HD as of today, I don't think it was lcd fault for the way we think of Sd, it just that Hd is far better and when you first make that jump from Sd to Hd its hard to go back (like going from deilup to high speed internet then back again).

SD looks pathetic on my 22" LCD....I was not talking about huge TVs.

SD looks pathetic on my 22" LCD....I was not talking about huge TVs.

Gambler_3

When people state sd looks like crap, Wii looks like crap, DVD's look like crap, etc, it is because they are looking at these on 720p or 1080p displays. As Gambler3 states, these "SD resolution" sources look very descent on CRT's that can actually display these resolutions natively. They look worse on fixed pixel displays because fixed pixel displays can only show the fixed number of pixels they have (720p or 1080p). Anything else needs to be scaled and therein lies the issue with SD content on these displays. The funny part is that many people sit too far from their 720p/1080p displays to the point where 480p and 1080p would look identical in terms of resolution, but the real difference is actually being caused by the scaling artifacts which are visible at that distance.rastan

I have a plasma tv and whilst the SD material is watchable its nothin like it was on my old CRT that died about 4 years ago. It is infinitely better though than all of the LED LCD's ive seen so far and that does include top of the line offering from samsung and LG.

Yes CRTs scale content very well probably because of the inherent way they paint the pixels on the display. I use a CRT often on my main rig when I am moving to dorm and take my 120hz display. I put the CRT at 800x600 with 140hz, and the content isn't half bad. OFC native res for it is 1280x1024 at 85hz, but 85hz sucks, 120hz is needed minimum ;p.

When I put I put sd content on it at its native res, the content looks great, much better than the LCDs.

JigglyWiggly_

in the realm of CRT, i always hated 50hz...painful to my eyes!!! amazing how many people never new u could crank it to 85hz to releave the eye strain

in the realm of CRT, i always hated 50hz...painful to my eyes!!! amazing how many people never new u could crank it to 85hz to releave the eye strain

kungfool69

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in the realm of CRT, i always hated 50hz...painful to my eyes!!! amazing how many people never new u could crank it to 85hz to releave the eye strain

Gambler_3

Are you kidding me CRTs were a nightmare up close. I ran it at 85hz with a tint glass over it and that still cause a fair deal of strain after an hour or so. I think the optomies can thank that for my yearly visit.

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in the realm of CRT, i always hated 50hz...painful to my eyes!!! amazing how many people never new u could crank it to 85hz to releave the eye strain

Bikouchu35

Are you kidding me CRTs were a nightmare up close. I ran it at 85hz with a tint glass over it and that still cause a fair deal of strain after an hour or so. I think the optomies can thank that for my yearly visit.

CRT = nice contrast and colours, crap resolutionSPBoss

CRT = nice contrast and colours, crap resolutionSPBoss

[QUOTE="SPBoss"]CRT = nice contrast and colours, crap resolutionNamelessPlayer

Are you sure you were quoting me?

Gambler_3

I was trying to add-on to that.

[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="SPBoss"]CRT = nice contrast and colours, crap resolutionSPBoss

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

Are you sure you were quoting me?

Bikouchu35

I was trying to add-on to that.

[QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"][QUOTE="SPBoss"]CRT = nice contrast and colours, crap resolutionSPBoss

High-resolution CRTs were available long before LCDs, and remained the standard for crystal-clear, high-resolution images for a long time. The only reason LCDs have taken over is practicality, the same reason that MP3s are more popular as a format than CD, despite the loss in quality. The drawback of bulky monitors that consume tons of power and use toxic chemicals (moreson than LCDs, anyway) outweigh the benefits of crystal-clear color and resolution.

Boz

[QUOTE="SPBoss"][QUOTE="NamelessPlayer"] A 24" GDM-FW900 can run 1920x1200 at 95-100 Hz, by most accounts. That's hardly crap-in fact, I'll take it over most of the 1920x1080 crap they're pushing onto the market these days! As for the more common 21" to 22" 4:3 monitors, they can hit 1800x1350 or sometimes 2048x1536 as their highest resolutions, also not crap. While I would've liked to see a 2560x1600 CRT, that probably didn't happen solely because of how fast the technology was discontinued, more than anything else.Bozanimal

High-resolution CRTs were available long before LCDs, and remained the standard for crystal-clear, high-resolution images for a long time. The only reason LCDs have taken over is practicality, the same reason that MP3s are more popular as a format than CD, despite the loss in quality. The drawback of bulky monitors that consume tons of power and use toxic chemicals (moreson than LCDs, anyway) outweigh the benefits of crystal-clear color and resolution.

Boz

Oh ok thanks for the info :) I also hated that no CRT would auto fit the screen and I had to manually adjust the image to fit.. maybe i've never used a high end crtSPBoss

Also I never saw a CRT with flat edges, the screen was always a bit rounded towards the corners.

Also I never saw a CRT with flat edges, the screen was always a bit rounded towards the corners.Gambler_3

[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]Also I never saw a CRT with flat edges, the screen was always a bit rounded towards the corners.NamelessPlayer

LCD's are trash for gaming as well. The only thing they are really best at is web browsing and general computer usage.

oled tv is going to be even better than crt's judging by their specds, but thats going to be in a few years. I do have a Galaxy S2 and the amoled screen is amazing, no ghosting, and the blacks are darker than night :)SPBoss

LCD's are trash for gaming as well. The only thing they are really best at is web browsing and general computer usage.

Gambler_3