Your stance on Piracy and DRM?

just do a search for the gazillion other threads on the same subject

I hate both. But, I spit at and give the middle finger to low-life pathetic pirates for giving sleazy developers/publishers the excuse to screw over legit customers.

O great the weekend thread about piracy.

DRM sucks thats it

Pirates should be shot on sight.

It depends on the kind of DRM; some DRM like Steam or Origin aren't annoying compared to SecuRom and that kind which affects completely the legal customer while the pirates can get away from it. Overall, I think both are bad but piracy sadly is a necessary evil. Miroku32

I agreed with you until the last part.

DRM turns criminals into heroes.

I see no logical reason as to why most new PC games are required to be locked onto a Goddamn account in order to run. :evil:

What was wrong with simple disc checks?

DRM is good to SOME extent however. There was some GPU locked stuff lately for some games if I'm not mistaken - such things are a 100% NO for me ! :evil:

As for piracy - got both a negative and a positive opinion. It all depends on the point of view. For instance some games are locked for certain regions only - pirating in such cases is somewhat excusable since you too want to share the gaming expirience. Or you want to test it as a benchmarking perhaps. However pirating all you want all around is something that I am against. :evil:

Unfortunatly nothing can stop those kind of pirates. Even ACTA which is by far the biggest joke I've witnessed in my life so far won't be able to do s**t against them ... even when the threats of jail are serious as hell ( one pirated MP3 whether on a disc, phone, PC or whatever - up to 5 years jail - OuEmGe , ElOuEl ). :lol:

I sure as hell hope those "geniuses" at the European Parlament deny the retification ...:cry:

DRM is good to SOME extent however. There was some GPU locked stuff lately for some games if I'm not mistaken - such things are a 100% NO for me ! :evil:

As for piracy - got both a negative and a positive opinion. It all depends on the point of view. For instance some games are locked for certain regions only - pirating in such cases is somewhat excusable since you too want to share the gaming expirience. Or you want to test it as a benchmarking perhaps. However pirating all you want all around is something that I am against. :evil:

Unfortunatly nothing can stop those kind of pirates. Even ACTA which is by far the biggest joke I've witnessed in my life so far won't be able to do s**t against them ... even when the threats of jail are serious as hell ( one pirated MP3 whether on a disc, phone, PC or whatever - up to 5 years jail - OuEmGe , ElOuEl ). :lol:

I sure as hell hope those "geniuses" at the European Parlament deny the retification ...:cry:

Code135

I'm against all forms of DRM. I shouldn't have to authorize my game install with a server because one day, that server may no longer exist. The company may no longer exist. If the game is offline for installation and play, I can rest assured that I will never lose it. Look at the Gamefly situation. I'm glad I never used Direct2Drive.

I'm against the online pass thing too. It's unethical for a company to restrict a feature that gamers have always had for free, just so they can make more money. It turns gamers away from buying the game to begin with.

Piracy is only ok if the game cannot be reasonably purchased. This is mainly restricted to old games that are not available on GoG.com or games that are not released in your country.

Im neither for nor against piracy.

More and more money is spent on DRM. The people that actually legally bought the game, have to jump through increasingly more hoops, just to prove their innocence.

Piracy is not the problem its blown out of proportion to seem like being, it is no where near the problem as say, the worshipping of money.

You upload a Micheal Jackson song, you can get 5 years in prison, though its sad when the person charged with murdering him, only got 4 years. If you do not see the problem here, then you have a problem.

Do a search on Piracy threads here next time, there are enough of them.

I fully support DRM.

Im neither for nor against piracy.

More and more money is spent on DRM. The people that actually legally bought the game, have to jump through increasingly more hoops, just to prove their innocence.

Piracy is not the problem its blown out of proportion to seem like being, it is no where near the problem as say, the worshipping of money.

You upload a Micheal Jackson song, you can get 5 years in prison, though its sad when the person charged with murdering him, only got 4 years. If you do not see the problem here, then you have a problem.

Do a search on Piracy threads here next time, there are enough of them.

Lach0121

Not trying to take this thread off topic, but there's a difference between enabling someone with drugs with a doctor's license and murder.

OT: I agree; they're are already plenty of threads on this topic. No need to start another.

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Im neither for nor against piracy.

More and more money is spent on DRM. The people that actually legally bought the game, have to jump through increasingly more hoops, just to prove their innocence.

Piracy is not the problem its blown out of proportion to seem like being, it is no where near the problem as say, the worshipping of money.

You upload a Micheal Jackson song, you can get 5 years in prison, though its sad when the person charged with murdering him, only got 4 years. If you do not see the problem here, then you have a problem.

Do a search on Piracy threads here next time, there are enough of them.

Cwagmire21

Not trying to take this thread off topic, but there's a difference between enabling someone with drugs with a doctor's license and murder.

OT: I agree; they're are already plenty of threads on this topic. No need to start another.

Not saying I disagree with you, (cause I really don't) I am just saying the Man CHARGED with his death (murder prolly wasn't the best term to use).... only got 4, yet you can upload 1 of his tracks, and get 5 years, ANY way you try to spin it, that is a MAJOR problem.

for me it depends what their pirating and their reasons because seriously the prices of buying games off of steam or some other digital distributor are abysmal their selling shogun 2 for 30 pounds on steam and other places yet iv bought it on disc for like 7 pounds new so shouldnt digital distribution be cheaper

for me it depends what their pirating and their reasons because seriously the prices of buying games off of steam or some other digital distributor are abysmal their selling shogun 2 for 30 pounds on steam and other places yet iv bought it on disc for like 7 pounds new so shouldnt digital distribution be cheaper

destinyDemon

DD is a tricky thing in theory it always should be cheaper. But if i am correct, there is no tax on cd keys that steam has, well a store has to pay taxes on invetory, so steam really have no incentive to reduce prices

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for me it depends what their pirating and their reasons because seriously the prices of buying games off of steam or some other digital distributor are abysmal their selling shogun 2 for 30 pounds on steam and other places yet iv bought it on disc for like 7 pounds new so shouldnt digital distribution be cheaper

James161324

DD is a tricky thing in theory it always should be cheaper. But if i am correct, there is no tax on cd keys that steam has, well a store has to pay taxes on invetory, so steam really have no incentive to reduce prices

[QUOTE="destinyDemon"]

for me it depends what their pirating and their reasons because seriously the prices of buying games off of steam or some other digital distributor are abysmal their selling shogun 2 for 30 pounds on steam and other places yet iv bought it on disc for like 7 pounds new so shouldnt digital distribution be cheaper

James161324

DD is a tricky thing in theory it always should be cheaper. But if i am correct, there is no tax on cd keys that steam has, well a store has to pay taxes on invetory, so steam really have no incentive to reduce prices

Another angle is that DD could charge a "convenience fee" and therefore be more expensive since you don't even have to leave your gaming room to play as opposed to driving to store and buying it.

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[QUOTE="destinyDemon"]

for me it depends what their pirating and their reasons because seriously the prices of buying games off of steam or some other digital distributor are abysmal their selling shogun 2 for 30 pounds on steam and other places yet iv bought it on disc for like 7 pounds new so shouldnt digital distribution be cheaper

Cwagmire21

DD is a tricky thing in theory it always should be cheaper. But if i am correct, there is no tax on cd keys that steam has, well a store has to pay taxes on invetory, so steam really have no incentive to reduce prices

Another angle is that DD could charge a "convenience fee" and therefore be more expensive since you don't even have to leave your gaming room to play as opposed to driving to store and buying it.

Show me empirical evidence that piracy causes loss in revenue, and I'll stop laughing everytime developers complain about this nonsense.

Oh god...not this again.

Oh well IMO DRM only make it worst, the crackers only see it as a sort of funny challenge and are inspired by the idea of winning against the system and keep cracking more and more. The only real solution to piracy is education, teach the people how using a ilegal software ins't a good thing, but oh well government would never waste more money on that kinda of thing.

you know the funny thing is that things like origin and steam are technically pirating them selves as they are selling copies of the game not the actual game its self

I hate pirates. I don't care what their situation is. If they can't afford to play games, they can't play. Games are a luxury. People can do without them. Obviously, it would be nice not to have any DRM, but I understand why it is needed. However, most pirating happens in the first few weeks of release, so I think companies should be patching out most of the DRM after the first month. Legit buyers then have to deal with DRM, but not forever.

DRM doesn't bother me as long as it's not cumbersome.

I am neutral to piracy. I don't do it, I don't justify it, I don't support it, and I don't like when brainless bigots talk about it. Mainly because every discussion ends up with them acting all high on their horses, while instead if they took their heads out of their bottoms they'd realize none of them ever (I mean it) makes a valid point and just dismisses every word that isn't in absolute spite of piracy with no counterargument whatsoever, just logical fallacies and baseless assumptions.

The guy who posted above me is a prime example of that.

I hate piracy. I do not pirate. If I use a product or service, I feel like I should pay the people who provided it. I could go into much more detail, but oh well.

As for DRM, not a fan. It just handicaps people who buy the products. Piracy, sadly, will always be around, you just have to deal with it, and do so by providing a great product and/or service.

Pirates should be shot on sight.

Am_Confucius

Show me empirical evidence that piracy causes loss in revenue, and I'll stop laughing everytime developers complain about this nonsense.

xxxLUGZxxx

DD is a tricky thing in theory it always should be cheaper. But if i am correct, there is no tax on cd keys that steam has, well a store has to pay taxes on invetory, so steam really have no incentive to reduce prices

James161324

Steam does charge tax, but only to certain states that have laws requiring tax of online sales to their residents. I live in Washington and have to pay 9% whether I buy on Steam or at retail. This goes for all the big online stores as well like Amazon. I even have to pay tax on MMO subscriptions. If you live in Washington, there is no way around the taxes. The people that live in the south can sometimes get around it by buying in Oregon, but most stores in northern Oregon check the driver's license to see what state the person is from.

I'll be honest.

I don't mind either. Don't care what people do with their time behind closed doors. They have their mindsets and I have my own. Don't care, don't hate em'.

Hell, I've been guilty of the bad deed a few times myself.

Counter: Show me empirical evidence that if a game couldn't be pirated, it wouldn't have extra revenue.FelipeInside

Russel's teapot.

This "counter" you mentioned is, in fact, a logical fallacy.

Also, the only "piracy vs piracy free" sales numbers in gaming history come with some very good approximation from PS3 and X360, no matter if they are multiplat or exclusives.
PS3 is almost piracy proof, not completely but only very few people who know what they are doing or know somebody who does pirate games on it. Do you visit System Wars often? You'd know the sale numbers for X360 are much, much bigger than PS3s' with some rare exceptions (the only one I can think of at the moment is FF13).

PS3 is almost piracy proof... /facepalm. Ignoring the blatant mistake of assuming you can't or that many people do not pirate on a console, you need to look at percents or ratios rather then pure numbers when comparing two systems that have a different sized and different focused demographic.

Let's say Ps3 has 100 players and X360 has 1000 players. 101 people purchase cod 17 on X360 and the rest downloaded it while 100 people purchase it on PS3. X360 may have more sales but it also has much more pirates and completely invalidates the point you are trying to make. Looking at pure sales numbers does not work.

Focusing back on the original question, I'm pretty sure Oblivion only had a simple disc check and sold incredibly well across the board. If you make good games they sell themselves. Making bad games or implementing headaches for the consumer only does bad on yourself.

Edit: My example fails to ignore piracy on consoles but I think you can get my point.

[QUOTE="FelipeInside"] Counter: Show me empirical evidence that if a game couldn't be pirated, it wouldn't have extra revenue.N30F3N1X

Russel's teapot.

This "counter" you mentioned is, in fact, a logical fallacy.

Also, the only "piracy vs piracy free" sales numbers in gaming history come with some very good approximation from PS3 and X360, no matter if they are multiplat or exclusives.
PS3 is almost piracy proof, not completely but only very few people who know what they are doing or know somebody who does pirate games on it. Do you visit System Wars often? You'd know the sale numbers for X360 are much, much bigger than PS3s' with some rare exceptions (the only one I can think of at the moment is FF13).

Who the hell is Russel?

Who the hell is Russel?

FelipeInside

:| How the f*ck can you surf the web without knowing Bertrand Russel's teapot analogy?

He was a mathematician and a philosopher by the way...one of the most influential persons of the 20th century in fact.

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Who the hell is Russel?

N30F3N1X

:| How the f*ck can you surf the web without knowing Russel's teapot analogy?

Ah ok. I googled it and yes, I know what that is.

I didn't know it was called that.

PS: didn't know you needed that to surf the web. I always thought a computer + modem/router would be enough.

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Who the hell is Russel?

N30F3N1X

:| How the f*ck can you surf the web without knowing Bertrand Russel's teapot analogy?

He was a mathematician and a philosopher by the way...one of the most influential persons of the 20th century in fact.

what exactly does his analogy have to do with surfing the web?

what exactly does his analogy have to do with surfing the web?

Macutchi

Derp.

I mean how can you not have heard of it...

What's my stance on piracy and DRM?

This:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEBbu-wkKrs

Dear god none of the links will work...

[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

what exactly does his analogy have to do with surfing the web?

N30F3N1X

Derp.

I mean how can you not have heard of it...

Do you know who Palma is?FelipeInside

It's a common surname and a noun where I live. If I recall correctly there's an artist that went by that name aswell.

[QUOTE="Macutchi"]

what exactly does his analogy have to do with surfing the web?

N30F3N1X

Derp.

I mean how can you not have heard of it...

:roll:

:roll:

Macutchi

Russel's teapot is arguably the most recurring analogy used in debates, especially ones where one side decides it's not their obligation to provide proof for something. Like what happened here with that "Counter:" argument. I believe I first heard of it when I was thirteen years old. Not really much to :roll: about.

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:roll:

N30F3N1X

Russel's teapot is arguably the most recurring analogy used in debates, especially ones where one side decides it's not their obligation to provide proof for something. Like what happened here with that "Counter:" argument. I believe I first heard of it when I was thirteen years old. Not really much to :roll: about.

Yeah I'm 19 and in college and never heard of this, after taking a debate class in high school even.

Well ya learn somethin new everyday I suppose.

Yeah I'm 19 and in college and never heard of this, after taking a debate class in high school even.

Well ya learn somethin new everyday I suppose.

MLBknights58

High school clas$es teach mostly meaningless stuff, don't be surprised if you haven't.