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#1 Leon2793
Member since 2008 • 241 Posts

Hey, didn't see a topic like this where you can simply express your views on the sequel. Are you a boycotter or a Valve apologist? Do you believe our glimpses of its content justify another purchase? I personally will be buying it but I hope Valve will create a meta-game; where you may play on the Left 4 Dead campaigns, so the last game isn't rendered useless. A reduced price for those whom own the first game would be great too.

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#2 pvtdonut54
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I didn't even buy the first one, but I trust Valve with #2.

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#3 Treflis
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I believe that even though it is released quickly after the first, it will be fun to play and considering Valve has said that the release of Left 4 Dead 2 wouldn't make them stop giving out more content to Left 4 Dead, I have faith in Valve. They've always done their best to satisfy their customers and fans.
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#4 clyde46
Member since 2005 • 49061 Posts

Cant wait for it :D

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#5 fudgeblood
Member since 2008 • 3165 Posts
Bougnt the first one day one, have the Xbox360 anhd PC copy. Can't wait for number 2.
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#6 deactivated-6243ee9902175
Member since 2007 • 5847 Posts

Look like crap compared to the first one. Totally killed the atmosphere they created. Not to mention it looks rushed out. Won't be buying it regardless.

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#7 samuraiguns
Member since 2005 • 11588 Posts

I have not purchased L4D but I will be purchasing this one automatically.

The people who bought L4D should get a 50% discount.

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#8 JigglyWiggly_
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Waste of money, buy Killing Floor, much more fun. (I own l4d)

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#9 brandontwb
Member since 2008 • 4325 Posts

Look like crap compared to the first one. Totally killed the atmosphere they created. Not to mention it looks rushed out. Won't be buying it regardless.

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Looks rushed out? How could you tell, all you've seen is beta footage. People (who have actually played the game) have said it feels very polished. Also, L4D wasn't even about the atmosphere, and if you've seen the Swamp, the atmosphere already does seem more like the first. Personally I think the Parish looks the best though.
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#10 DevilBorg
Member since 2009 • 810 Posts
I'm boycotting it. Ok fine, they'll still work on L4D, but why make a whole sequel? A whole other game? It'll be rushed, and it'll split the community.
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#11 Swiftstrike5
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The first L4D was good, but I entirely expected more content and don't get me started on what they promised. I love that they finally added mod support (and the mod maps are very good), but I'm entirely pissed off at Valve for taking so long to release a decent system. This should have been out when the game was released. They did a great job with the game, but they rushed it and failed to deliver on certain aspects. I probably won't be getting L4D2 unless the modding community for the original completely dies out. I love the new zombies they're adding to L4D2, but it just isn't worth the full price tag (I don't like the characters they chose either).
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#12 TheBigBadGRIM
Member since 2005 • 1159 Posts
It looks ok I guess. Most of the "boycotters" don't hate L4D2, they just feel like Valve should support L4D 1 with bug fixes, balancing and new content before doing a sequel. About the boycotting thing.......people need to realize why there's such a strong reaction to the announcement of the sequel. Valve isn't your average developer. They're recognized for not only their AAA titles, but for creating competitive multiplayer games and also the continuing support YEARS after it's release. - Gabe Newell promised us L4D support similar to Team Fortress 2, which is not the case. - Unlike TF2 or Counter-Strike, the game is still highly unbalanced for playing competitively. - There are still a few things wrong with the game. Here is a long list of problems. - Have you seen the modding community? I've been to those websites looking for cool mods and there is a VERY small list of available mods. This is because Valve didn't release the SDK (Software Development Kit) on time which allows players to much more easily create their own custom content for the game. They should've released this near launch date but didn't. This is why it's taking forever for people to create custom missions. Is the SDK even out yet? Now I don't agree completely with the boycotters because one of their arguments are that the level in the trailer is too bright which I thought was stupid. People shouldn't see this boycotting business as a bad thing. When another developer is about to make a mistake the players don't try this hard to stop them. Valve has an enormous, loyal fanbase and this is proof that the consumers want Valve to remain on top and not become the EA of the PC platform. But anyway, Left 4 Dead 2 looks good. But just like the 1st one, I think $50 is too much to spend on this. I waited for LFD1 to drop to $30 before buying.....and i'll do the same for this one.
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#13 metroidfood
Member since 2007 • 11175 Posts

Meh. I loved the first, but it's too soon for a sequel. I'll probably pick it up during a sale or something.

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#14 Lord_Nas3k
Member since 2006 • 1492 Posts

Looks alright, but some of the things they're adding/changing are stupid. Fire Ammo, seriously? Melee weapons? The witch walking around in daylight?

The improvements on the AI Director look good, though.

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#15 rmfd341
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L4D2 looks good. But I think it happenned too soon, it will split the community...
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#16 MJPK
Member since 2006 • 3360 Posts

I'll wait until it's on sale before I buy it and it is way too soon for a L4D2 Imo.

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#17 modernwarfare3
Member since 2009 • 192 Posts
I didn't like the first one it only can spawn 30 zombies.I hope they make higher density like 50-70 zombies in one horde
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#18 nutcrackr
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I really enjoyed the first one, but I'm in the boycotter camp. I feel it's too soon, too shameless. I don't feel like they supported L4D1 comparitively well compared to ALL their other games (it also retailed for $50), and thats the only reason I need to not buy it.
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#19 Leon2793
Member since 2008 • 241 Posts

Well, in Valve I trust.

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#20 clyde46
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Waste of money, buy Killing Floor, much more fun. (I own l4d)

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I would but they dont do a hard copy that you can buy from store.
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#21 MJPK
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[QUOTE="JigglyWiggly_"]

Waste of money, buy Killing Floor, much more fun. (I own l4d)

clyde46

I would but they dont do a hard copy that you can buy from store.

There is a hard copy of KF coming out next month

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#22 LucasPenney
Member since 2009 • 25 Posts

This is a shock to Valve fans, usuallya sequal is never released so quickly, and there is not a ton of new stuff in Left 4 Dead 2, so many feel Valve is just making a sequal for the money, as they did promise some DLC updates, but it appears Valve went straight to work on the sequal and not what they promised.

Aside from that, Left 4 Dead 2 will be a great game, however it will severely harm or kill the original, as once the new one is out the online for the original will slowly die off. I think that they should make the old campaigns playable in the new Left 4 Dead 2, or atleast make the price cheaper for those who bought the original, as Left 4 Dead 2 is not really a whole new game, but more like DLC that you have to buy, that renders the previous game useless.

Overall, I still think it will be a great game, and I plan to buy it as soon as it comes out!

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#23 funked_up
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It looks to be as bad as the first.
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#24 flipin_jackass
Member since 2004 • 9772 Posts
Indifferent. I bought OB about 3 weeks ago and that's keeping me pretty happy. But hey, who knows, maybe I'll have an itch for zombie killing fun when released
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#25 deactivated-5d0e4d67d0988
Member since 2008 • 5396 Posts

Won't be buying it unless it has a 50% off or whatever it was steam weekend like the original one did (however that is still a maybe).

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#26 Expo_Smacko
Member since 2007 • 2332 Posts

I am getting it for sure. :)

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#27 dan_plus_o
Member since 2003 • 2240 Posts
I will probably get it off STEAM when they have a sale on it. Any more than $30 is too much for a game IMO.
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#28 Kaelken
Member since 2007 • 531 Posts

The second game is actually cut content from the first game

Totally like BF 2, where the special forces expansion was missing content that was supposed to have been in from the start. One of the reasons why the game felt broken; it was designed to have the grabbling hook. So, basically every single map in that game was broken

Point being, your going to reward developers for being lazy and pay for the same product twice

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#29 biggest_loser
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I think its rich that people are trying crucify Valve - a company that has taken longer than anyone else to release a game - for bringing this out within a year. If it took 3 years people would be asking: where is it?! Meanwhile, Remedy says they're only focusing on Alan Wake - and I've been waiting 5 years for that. Where are the AW boycotters? Valve is by far our best and most consistent developer and people should cut them some slack. To be honest I was skeptical myself at first: but the concept of the level design physically changing this time had me sold. I've played No Mercy so many times in its linearity..see where I'm going? The supposed petition is a farce. If you actually read that thing they complain about elements like the lighting and the music I think. C'mon.
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#30 rzepak
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I think it has eveything that labels it as a sequal. The outcry over the game is only due to Valve spoiling its fans with insance amounts of support and long production times. My opinion is that Valve doesnt owe me anything. I bought L4D and enjoyed it. It is a better value than most single player FPS even though people complain about the lack of content.

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#31 lucky326
Member since 2006 • 3799 Posts

5 new campaigns, for all 3 game modes and a mode not yet announced. As well as plenty of gameplay improvements made. I say it's a definate purchase.

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#32 fatzebra
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[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]I think its rich that people are trying crucify Valve - a company that has taken longer than anyone else to release a game - for bringing this out within a year. If it took 3 years people would be asking: where is it?! Meanwhile, Remedy says they're only focusing on Alan Wake - and I've been waiting 5 years for that. Where are the AW boycotters? Valve is by far our best and most consistent developer and people should cut them some slack. To be honest I was skeptical myself at first: but the concept of the level design physically changing this time had me sold. I've played No Mercy so many times in its linearity..see where I'm going? The supposed petition is a farce. If you actually read that thing they complain about elements like the lighting and the music I think. C'mon.

Yeah but sometimes Valve just......I don't know. Episode 3 for instance. I mean I love HL as much as the next guy but FOR DUCKS SAKE we haven't heard a single peep about it in 2 years and it's probably been in development longer and it's not even a full game. Either Valve is stunningly slow, or episode 3 will introduce a new engine, which explains it taking so long. But if it's taken them 2 and a half years to release an episode sized game which they already had all the resources for, there is no excuse. That is just plain slow development.
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#33 Anthony01355
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I think it is too soon considering they took their time releasing the SDK and a lot of good modders and well done maps have been discontinued. The game still only has 4 official campaigns since release.

I'm definitely going to buy L4D2 not going to lie, the thing I hate the most about L4D2 is the new survivors. Every single one of the original four I had a special place for.

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#34 Jodan77
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Left 4 Dead 2 is the single worst thing that Valve has done. I just can't comprehend what a dick move it is.

You can look at my latest blog entry to see my latest mock update from Valve.

And the sad thing is I loved Left 4 Dead, and everyone here knows it. So yes I'm a proud boycotter.

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[QUOTE="Jodan77"] Left 4 Dead 2 is the single worst thing that Valve has done.

Oh yeah! How was the open beta?
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#37 neseri12
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my thoughts? Heeelll yeah!

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#38 Tresca_
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I might as well boycott Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, cause I only got 8 hours out of Call of Duty 4 and it has only taken them two years to make a sequel. Nevermind World at War.

On the other hand I've got 110 hours out of L4D and a year hasn't even passed. As far as value for money is concerned, I know which sequel I'm more anxious to get my hands on.

Only 1.4% of the entire community of L4D has managed to complete the survivor levels, and yet half of it is shouting and bawling for more content.

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#39 CrysisAero
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Okay, I have boy cotted this game before, but now this is getting stupid. Defending this game, what is the point of complaining that this came out too soon!!!!! I only think a few people know about valve properly, first of all, valve own about 20 other games, which all need updating, bugfixing, mapping and so many other things! The game comes out in a few months, it doesn't come out right now! These guys at Valve must be praised, they must of spent atleast 3 months, HALTING about 20 games updates to finish this game, and all you can do is be ungrateful to these guys!!!!!!! You must be so cheap if you cant afford a game which costs £20.00!. The goddamn preorder is always double the price. Go to Cashcrate, go work, beg, I don't care what you guys do but you really are putting it hard on this new game... Of course, judging about some one who said Witches can't walk in daylight. I can laugh at that all day. Nobody here has the proper defination of a Left 4 Dead 2 zombie. Zombies can walk around in daylight as much they can in night. About the guns, I don't know why no one is happy they have different guns, 11 types of guns!, before there was only 6! Including the pistol! This game will not flop/fail and it will get bought. Fire ammo????? Wtf, Wtf,Wtf. Its called fuel! I am guessing now we will have another use for fuel cans in Left 4 Dead. Stop boycotting a game which people wasted their time for and appreciate it, I know I do...

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#40 denter21
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^^ If you look real close, you can see the exact moment where this thread de-railed. L4D just announced that an update is coming afterall. Gabe doesn't have a reputation for being a liar and Valve aren't exactly jerks, so I'd chill out and see what happens.
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#41 cr0wl3r
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The 1. L4D was good but i expected more^^

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#42 R4gn4r0k
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I always saw Valve as a perfectionist company. They take a long time to develop a game (6 years for Half Life 2, 2-3 for an episode) but when they deliver, they REALLY DELIVER quality.

So if they take 6 years to create a full sequel and 2-3 years for an episode, 1 year seems a bit little for a full sequel. And I fear that L4D2 won't deliver the same quality I am used from valve. Hell even L4D wasn't the quality I am used from Valve, the game had way to little content at launch.

I can clearly tell games like Condition Zero, L4D and L4D2 are made by Turtle Rock Studios (now a part of Valve)
And games like HL, HL2, the episodes, counter-strike, day of defeat and TF2, ... are made by the REAL VALVE.

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#43 deactivated-61006a60aff6f
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seems like im paying for nothing new except new models and new maps i rather play killing floor where you can fight against 2k zombies then spend money on left 4 dead 2 unless it got some major changes

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#44 dnuggs40
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Didn't valve just announce a new update for L4D that adds a new area? Here: [quote="Valve"]Crash Course Campaign Due in September August 4, 2009 - Valve, creators of best-selling game franchises (such as Half-Life, Portal, Team Fortress, and Counter-Strike) and leading technologies (such as Steam and Source), today announced the next major downloadable content (DLC) update for its co-operative zombie thriller, Left 4 Dead (L4D), the #1 new game title on Xbox 360 and PC in 2008 Entitled "Crash Course," the latest DLC delivers new single-player, multiplayer and co-operative gameplay to both platforms. Targeted for release in September, "Crash Course" bridges the gap between the end of the "No Mercy" campaign and the beginning of "Death Toll" in the original game, expanding the game universe with new locations, new dialogue from the original cast, and an explosive finale While containing both Survival maps and a Co-operative Campaign, the primary goal of "Crash" is to deliver a complete Versus mode experience in just 30 minutes, resulting in a streamlined version of the game's existing Versus campaigns. A recharge timer for infected teammates has also been added, and item spawn behavior has changed for more balanced gameplay. "Since the release of Left 4 Dead last November, the design team has been excited about creating new experiences for this world and allowing players to do the same, by releasing much of our internal toolset, like the Survival Pack and Authoring Tools," said Gabe Newell. "We're working with the fans toward the ongoing entertainment value of the product." Left 4 Dead is an action horror game from Valve that blends the social entertainment experience of multiplayer games such as Counter-Strike and Team Fortress with the dramatic, narrative experience made popular in single player action game classics such as the Half-Life series of games. Released in November of 2008, L4D has earned over 50 industry awards from outlets around the world and sold almost 3 million copies worldwide. Left 4 Dead: Crash Course is targeted for release in September and will be available free of charge on the PC and for 560 Gamer points on Xbox Live. For more information, please visit www.l4d.com

Man...some of you people are never happy.
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#45 pvtdonut54
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Okay, I have boy cotted this game before, but now this is getting stupid. Defending this game, what is the point of complaining that this came out too soon!!!!! I only think a few people know about valve properly, first of all, valve own about 20 other games, which all need updating, bugfixing, mapping and so many other things! The game comes out in a few months, it doesn't come out right now! These guys at Valve must be praised, they must of spent atleast 3 months, HALTING about 20 games updates to finish this game, and all you can do is be ungrateful to these guys!!!!!!! You must be so cheap if you cant afford a game which costs £20.00!. The goddamn preorder is always double the price. Go to Cashcrate, go work, beg, I don't care what you guys do but you really are putting it hard on this new game... Of course, judging about some one who said Witches can't walk in daylight. I can laugh at that all day. Nobody here has the proper defination of a Left 4 Dead 2 zombie. Zombies can walk around in daylight as much they can in night. About the guns, I don't know why no one is happy they have different guns, 11 types of guns!, before there was only 6! Including the pistol! This game will not flop/fail and it will get bought. Fire ammo????? Wtf, Wtf,Wtf. Its called fuel! I am guessing now we will have another use for fuel cans in Left 4 Dead. Stop boycotting a game which people wasted their time for and appreciate it, I know I do...

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#46 OoSuperMarioO
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Not paying $49.99 plus tax for a game with such little content. The weekend sale for Left 4 dead was a sweet spot for me to purchase, however I was still quite disappointed. Though there are new additions to Left 4 Dead 2, it essentially looks like a fan made user mod. Eager to see what Valve plans/price Left 4 Dead 2.

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#47 OoSuperMarioO
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Valve is by far our best and most consistent developerbiggest_loser
Blizzard Entertainment is indeed the better developer for PC Games. Specifically World of Warcraft is the forefront of PC Gaming today.

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#48 SaintJimmmy
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Waste of money, buy Killing Floor, much more fun. (I own l4d)

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For starters, Killing Floor IS AWESOME everyone should own it lol as far as left 4 dead 2 goes i will not be purchasing it i bought left 4 dead 1 and loved it alot but, a sequel this early is pushing it and my trust in valve was severly hurt i buy valve games cause there usually Endless fun with tons of updates mods and such, but releasing a sequel this soon i have high doubts theirs gonna be much more updates and such for the original once its released
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#49 MrWednesday14
Member since 2009 • 386 Posts

[QUOTE="biggest_loser"]Valve is by far our best and most consistent developerOoSuperMarioO

Blizzard Entertainment is indeed the better developer for PC Games. Specifically World of Warcraft is the forefront of PC Gaming today.

Nuh-uh...Valve is better.
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#50 THGarrett
Member since 2003 • 2574 Posts

I'll buy it when it's in the bargain bin 3 months after release.