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#1 codalloo
Member since 2006 • 892 Posts
 I seriously think that squaresoft was better off before its conjunction with enix, because of its sheer excellence in gameplay and graphical fortitude, why did square have to merge with enix, i mean, squaresoft made amazing games and all the ff games made by squaresoft have been much better rpgs then the ones they have made with enix, ffX for example is sadly, i fear, the last great final fantasy game and now because of enix they want to try different things and aim more for the revolutionary gameplay rather than staying with the mechanics that have won them so many fans to date. What do you think, squaresoft better off without enix?
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#2 shiram
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i wouldnt be able to say if the addition of Enix truly made a change, i havent checked to see if they changed dev. teams or the likes for the new games. One thing is for sure, i wouldnt say the graphics suffered, as they keep on improving
as for saying ffx was the last good one, well give it some time, there's only been on true final fantasy after that one, and its ffXII
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#3 Selrath
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Think I read somewhere that they had to do it because they lost a lot of money or something.

 

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#4 Vegetaxxssj4
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Squaresoft lost a lot with the FF movie Spirits Within. Enix and Squaresoft merged with Enix being the larger of the two. I think the squaresoft games got more of the limelight though at least in NA. Af far as quality going downhill because of the merger....I don't think so since I think most FF games lots a lot of there bang after FFVII. I just wish we could get more love of the enix titles like Dragon Quest in the states.  
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#5 dmf_pokerman
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Think I read somewhere that they had to do it because they lost a lot of money or something.

 

Selrath

 

I agree. it had to be a funds problem.

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#6 AtelierFan
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As one of the above poster's said, it was a financial decision. And I don't believe that all the dev. teams from both companies became one -- as far as the 'experimenting' with game-play that you mentioned -- if you meant FF12 -- that was the same team that made Vagrant Story and FF Tactics, and had nothing to do with the Square-Enix merger. How come no one complained when it was Square/Electronics Arts?
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#7 2deluxe
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Here we go again with another stirring and gripping topic about how Square supposedly lost its groove because of a STUPID name change and merger. How original!

I hate to burst your bubble but do you realize many of the high profile Square games/movie project released fairly recently were being produced WAY before the merger? FFX-2, FFXII, FFXI, and Advent Children?

"all the ff games made by squaresoft have been much better rpgs then the ones they have made with enix"

Again, it's only a name change. I seriously doubt that big name producers from Enix stepped in and said "this is how this game will be done now and I am your boss!".

"ffX for example is sadly, i fear, the last great final fantasy game"

Umm, no. . .

"now because of enix they want to try different things and aim more for the revolutionary gameplay rather than staying with the mechanics that have won them so many fans to date."

That's complete and utter BS and you know it. Stop taking things WAY out of context my dear. I seriously doubt that Enix somehow managed to ruinned your precious games. It's the producers who want to try different things. Why? Because instead of turning the series into a series that refuses to evolve (like Dynasty Warriors, Tekken, Ace Combat, Resident EVil pre-4, Pokemon, and countless other brands out there), it's fun to take a risk and re-imagine the way you play a well known franchise. Now you can be some one of those fake fans who are too stuck up to accept change, or you can open yourself and be a much better person. 

"What do you think, squaresoft better off without enix?"

No, because I think Squaresoft would have been bankrupt by now if they did not get absorbed by Enix, their savior. 

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#8 AtelierFan
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Here we go again with another stirring and gripping topic about how Square supposedly lost its groove because of a STUPID name change and merger. How original!

I hate to burst your bubble but do you realize many of the high profile Square games/movie project released fairly recently were being produced WAY before the merger? FFX-2, FFXII, FFXI, and Advent Children?

"all the ff games made by squaresoft have been much better rpgs then the ones they have made with enix"

Again, it's only a name change. I seriously doubt that big name producers from Enix stepped in and said "this is how this game will be done now and I am your boss!".

"ffX for example is sadly, i fear, the last great final fantasy game"

Umm, no. . .

"now because of enix they want to try different things and aim more for the revolutionary gameplay rather than staying with the mechanics that have won them so many fans to date."

That's complete and utter BS and you know it. Stop taking things WAY out of context my dear. I seriously doubt that Enix somehow managed to ruinned your precious games. It's the producers who want to try different things. Why? Because instead of turning the series into a series that refuses to evolve (like Dynasty Warriors, Tekken, Ace Combat, Resident EVil pre-4, Pokemon, and countless other brands out there), it's fun to take a risk and re-imagine the way you play a well known franchise. Now you can be some one of those fake fans who are too stuck up to accept change, or you can open yourself and be a much better person. 

"What do you think, squaresoft better off without enix?"

No, because I think Squaresoft would have been bankrupt by now if they did not get absorbed by Enix, their savior. 

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#9 mohmaaytah
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2deluxe, thank you, it is good to see someone making sense in this pointless argument.

As far as I am aware, there have been no joint teams on any of the released games as of yet. All were in the making before the merger, FFXII, DQVIII and so on. Here is a good hint, check the credits at the end of the manual for new games and compare them with those from Squaresoft and Enix games previously. You will notice that there is no overlap, not even testers from one branch tested the other.

As for why, why not? Enix is a huge company in Asia, Square is better known this side of the world. Both have incredibly talented staff and intellectual property, FF, Vagrant Story, Chrono Cross, DQ, Star Ocean,Valkyrie Profile among others. Putting this all under one roof to reduce costs can only mean less money going to folks at marketing, which can only be a good thing as it will go somewhere where it can be better spent. Future games from  this merger where staff from both work on joint teams are very likely to be great. Both companies made fantastic games and I have no doubt together they will continue that trend.

Bottom line, we should all stop complaining because this merger is highly unlikely to be reversed, get used to it. 

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#10 super_police
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In the SNES era, Enix was tons better than square.   Actraiser, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, Soul Blazer, Evo...

I dont think that the merger has hurt them, although I havent played too many games from the company since the merger.  I think DQviii and KH2 are the only ones I own after they joined.

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#11 angelic
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If I remember it right, Squaresoft lost lots of money producing Final Fantasy: Spirits Within. They have high expectations for this movie but the cost of the movie is more than what they earn. So, they have to merge with Enix to keep the company alive.

The merger well, its good actually rather than having the company closed with its losses and debts.

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#12 fire_birdn99
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Some guy sakaguchi..the guy who made blue dragon and final fantasy series left square soft..and started his own company mistwalker...his last game was ffVII and then now blue dragon.He also made the FF MOVIE which the company lost major money in...thats why they fired him or he left.dunno.....since then final fantasy games havent been so great....Mr.Sakaguchi is working on blue dragon and lost odyssey.............cant wait!!
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#13 Sprigain
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In the SNES era, Enix was tons better than square. Actraiser, Terranigma, Illusion of Gaia, Soul Blazer, Evo...

I dont think that the merger has hurt them, although I havent played too many games from the company since the merger. I think DQviii and KH2 are the only ones I own after they joined.

super_police

i thought terranigma was terrible, illusion of gaia was good though wasn't there a star ocean game made?? 

Think I read somewhere that they had to do it because they lost a lot of money or something.

 

Selrath

i believe they did 

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#14 Pumster76
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Well, the Square end of the deal has remained unaffected by the merger. Square-Enix still produces the same games they always had. If anything, Enix has benefited from the merger, allowing them to reach consoles faster with their projects. Enix's release list was fairly scarce before the merger, now, it takes much less time for them to get their products to market. Having Square's vast resources isn't a bad bonus, either. Square-Enix was a great idea for a merger just because of the benefits Enix themselves get from the deal. That may lead to exploitation of franchises, but, so far, the merger has resulted only in good things.
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#15 kenshinhimura16
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No I dont think so. Both companies had huge RPG franchises and if it wasnt because of the FF: SW movie they would have merged later to increase their markets.

I have disliked any of the games released till date by them, I may have stopped playing DQ VIII but that was due to enemy designs. All the games have been above the standards as usual, exept a few cases.

And just one Q, a big Q. Why is it that people cant move on? Before FF XII they were all saying I want a change in FF, now when they remove a few features and add others thus changing gameplay all you winners complaint. You will never be satisfied because you dont want to be. FF XII plays almost exactly as old FF, only that you can move now. Big difference :roll:  The casting time has been in FF for ages, The Spell qeue too.  So what was the big difference? nothing stop crying people.

Do you think that if they wouldnt have merged we would have received so many games as fast as we did? 

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#16 mohmaaytah
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Well, the Square end of the deal has remained unaffected by the merger. Square-Enix still produces the same games they always had. If anything, Enix has benefited from the merger, allowing them to reach consoles faster with their projects. Enix's release list was fairly scarce before the merger, now, it takes much less time for them to get their products to market. Having Square's vast resources isn't a bad bonus, either. Square-Enix was a great idea for a merger just because of the benefits Enix themselves get from the deal. That may lead to exploitation of franchises, but, so far, the merger has resulted only in good things.Pumster76

Agreed, one example of an Enix game is Valkyrie Profile. Without the merger the chances of seeing a remake for the PSP and a PS2 prequel would have been slim at best. 

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#17 Fledden
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because of enix they want to try different things and aim more for the revolutionary gameplay rather than staying with the mechanics that have won them so many fans to date. What do you think, squaresoft better off without enix?codalloo

The funny thing is, just earlier today I read that Square was going down hill...not from your reason that enix is forcing them to try revolutionary gameplay (and while it's untrue, how is that a bad thing), but rather that Square is just rehasing the same stuff over and over again. Which seems to be what you want.

Meh, I really have nothing else to contribute to this topic.