I would prefer Halo , although i don't hate mario or anything .
Mario is better...halo would prolly play like crap on the ps2.PlayPlayStation
Didn't halo play like crap on xbox? Also on PC to be honest, well it didn't play like crap on PC but a game with crappy story, ugly weapons and a generic main character (master chief looks like a Power Ranger though Power Rangers were way cooler) isn't what I want from a FPS. If u want to make a console FPS, make one with better story (Killzone) or just one that is fun to play (Timesplitters).
And what comes to Mario is the fact that Sunshine sucked, well it didn't suck but it did depend way too much on the new nozzle gimmick. BTW I hated that nozzle thing. Both Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter totally pwn Mario nowadays. So I wouldn't want to have Mario on PS2. And if one wants to play Mario, one should buy a Nintendo console. Same goes for halo though halo is no reason to buy a console from an evil company like microsoft.
[QUOTE="PlayPlayStation"]Mario is better...halo would prolly play like crap on the ps2.The_Great_Samu
Didn't halo play like crap on xbox? Also on PC to be honest, well it didn't play like crap on PC but a game with crappy story, ugly weapons and a generic main character (master chief looks like a Power Ranger though Power Rangers were way cooler) isn't what I want from a FPS. If u want to make a console FPS, make one with better story (Killzone) or just one that is fun to play (Timesplitters).
And what comes to Mario is the fact that Sunshine sucked, well it didn't suck but it did depend way too much on the new nozzle gimmick. BTW I hated that nozzle thing. Both Ratchet & Clank and Jak & Daxter totally pwn Mario nowadays. So I wouldn't want to have Mario on PS2. And if one wants to play Mario, one should buy a Nintendo console. Same goes for halo though halo is no reason to buy a console from an evil company like microsoft.
Dude, dont be such a fanboy. Halo was an excellent FPS (9.7 on GS) It didnt have a crappy story. Its graphics are still better than alot of PS2 games today, and MC looks fine. So what if he resembles a power ranger slightly. Does that make the game any worse? All i have to say is, Halo got 9.7, Killzone got 6.9.
And yeah, Sunshine did suck. But Galaxy might be excellent. It certainly looks that way from the trailers we've seen so far.
Theres no need to bash other games that arent on thr PS2. PS2 is king of RPG's, and i want it to stay that way. Xbox was filled with shooters, which was good also, but did get a little boring.
LOL all "fanboyism" aside here, but when someone says something as ridiculous as "the PS2 is only the king of RPGs" i have to say something. the PS2 is king of all games that aren't first person shooters. that's that. and if you're still refusing to believe that, go have a looksy at the PS2's library then look at the Xbox's. in the end, it just doesn't compare. the PS2 is the better console. facts are facts, folks. graphics help a bit, sure. but they don't stand for what really makes a game. at least for real gamers, that's the case. the PS2 had a lot more japanese support than the Xbox did. that alone is enough to make the Xbox a failure next to the PS2. so please once and for all, stop saying the Xbox is better than the PS2 because it's getting to be the oldest lie ever told. it's not better than the PS2, plain and simple.
don't argue against known facts. oh and btw, Halo is overrated. the story blows. like in the case of the DMC series, people don't play it for the story but rather the gameplay. and even the gameplay in Halo feels almost identical to any other decent FPS. just a bit more improved, of course. the fact that Halo has better graphics and stupid looking weapons and dirt bike helmets and alien creatures doesn't mean anything. what it means is that Halo is overrated only because it's expected to sell like crazy. i play it because it's fun on Xbox Live. fun, like most shooters are. and like all shooters, it will get boring. oh and without Halo, the Xbox would've been a total flop. the PS2 has a lot more, better games. and by a lot, i mean A FREAKING LOT. but only because it became available for purchase first than the Xbox did, but because of all the support it was given. the Xbox has no more than 10 that are actually worth mentioning in a debate. thanks!
the PS3 is going to rape the 360 right off the next-gen throne that it's sitting on right now in a few more months. wait and see, Xbox fanboyz. Heavenly Sword, MGS4, GOW3, GT5, Lair, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Killzone, Warhawk, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tekken 6, Uncharted, are just SOME of the PS3 exclusives worth mentioning. look into them a bit and weep. and cry some more because Bioshock is going to the PS3 ROFL! and so is Ninja Gaiden. the only incredibily AMAZING fantasy action game on the Xbox is now going to the PS3, LMAO! HAHAHAHA! and to answer the thread question, Sony doesn't need Mario OR Halo. but if i had to choose, i'd choose Halo. it's a lot more fun. :D
LOL all "fanboyism" aside here, but.......
Warkunt
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the PS3 is going to rape the 360 right off the next-gen throne that it's sitting on right now in a few more months. wait and see, Xbox fanboyz. Heavenly Sword, MGS4, GOW3, GT5, Lair, Ratchet and Clank: Tools of Destruction, Killzone, Warhawk, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Tekken 6, Uncharted, are just SOME of the PS3 exclusives worth mentioning. look into them a bit and weep. and cry some more because Bioshock is going to the PS3 ROFL! and so is Ninja Gaiden. the only incredibily AMAZING fantasy action game on the Xbox is now going to the PS3, LMAO! HAHAHAHA! and to answer the thread question, Sony doesn't need Mario OR Halo. but if i had to choose, i'd choose Halo. it's a lot more fun. :DWarkunt
Hmm. Need I say more?
Ok I'll point things out then if I must.
You started off by saying you were setting 'fanboyism' aside and using facts to make your argument. Then you went ahead and made some stamements which were foundated on your own opinions and predictions. What you find fun, and your statements of the success of a game that hasen't been released yet are not facts. Sure you can say "well there's a lot of hype behind ____ and the prequel or _____ sold millions." That doesn't make any of your "LMAO! SONY WILL KILL 360 CAUSE IT HAS THESE GAMEZZZ" a fact. What you used were biased predictions.
"Without Halo, the xbox would be a total flop" Is this a fact? Do you have Microsoft's figures and income reports over the past 7 years? Did you crunch the numbers and determine that the software sales of Halo and Halo 2 were the only reason that Microsoft made money on this console? Or did you just quickly think of other popular titles, couldn't, and determine that the success and failure of the Xbox console in its entierty was due to Halo? This is not a fact, nor an argument. It is an opinion based off of the dislike of the console and the community.
"Halo is over rated" Well now, how could a game that is over rated be the sole reason that the Xbox was a success? That doesn't make sense. Maybe you don't like Halo, but that doesn't make it over rated. It's not my cup of tea either, I'm not defending it. I played it single player and multiplayer, it was ok. Over rated? Over rating a game would be a game mag giving it a 10.0 no questions asked. I wouldn't say its over rated if it sells millions of copies, as well as it's sequel. I would say it'a very popular game that isnt really what I like playing. Saying it is over rated is ignorant, and close minded.
"The PS3 is going to rape the 360" That's a fact? No. It's a prediction. Please don't confuse the two.
You mentioned that gamers, real gamers, dont care about graphics that much and want substance. I'd agree with you there. I play more Diablo 2, Final Fantasy Tactics and Xenogears that anything that's come out withing the past 2 years. I like a challenge, I like having to think, I like something a bit less mindless than shooting something because it's moving. But you then need to realize that 'real gamers' are above the bias, above the fanboyism, and take a game for just that. A game. Regardless of its console requirement, it doesn't make it suck. And it doesnt make any certian console suck because game X Y and Z aren't on it. I own most consoles and systems, and play them all frequently. I play what I like, and I play what I enjoy. Why should one console "suck" because you like 3 games for another? Why cant it be equally good? Once you learn to do that, and you take a game for a game, and a console for a console, you can call yourself "a true gamer." Until then, please refrain from giving gamers who are a bit more openminded a bad name.
Edit: Fixed a typo.
yup you should say more. because apparently i meant that with those games alone, the 360 will fall. if i was a Sony fanboy i wouldn't admit to Halo being fun. i'd say Killzone 1 is a better game just because it's Sony but that'd be a lie. try pointing out something else instead of trying to analyze what makes a fanboy LMFAO!Warkuntyou just said its a "fact" that the PS2 is better then the xbox.... u must not know what that word means...
yup you should say more. because apparently i meant that with those games alone, the 360 will fall. if i was a Sony fanboy i wouldn't admit to Halo being fun. i'd say Killzone 1 is a better game just because it's Sony but that'd be a lie. try pointing out something else instead of trying to analyze what makes a fanboy LMFAO!Warkunt
it's fanboyism if you even mention things like that. in no way should you bring up the PS3 and 360 in this topic, so submit the first portion of your large paragraphs to system wars, and stick with the last sentence
resignation? you must be pretty full of yourself, dude. LOL! :lol: hmm lets see. what did i say "look at the facts" to? to the stuff that's obvious?
fact 1: the ps2 has more games
fact 2: the ps2 has a MUCH, MUCH larger variety of games to choose from while the xbox mostly has shooters
fact 3: you'll see more 9's and 10's in the ps2's library due to the FACT that they have MORE games
fact 4: the ps2 is the better console to buy BECAUSE of all these reasons. while the ps2 is mostly for all ages due to the bigger variety of games, the xbox is more for adults because they're so obsessed with making games about shooting.
how many adventure games do you see on the xbox? action games? racing games? fighting games? shooting games? platformer games? puzzle games? tactical games? any kind of game that the xbox has the ps2 has more of it EXCEPT for shooting and THAT is fact. or is that an opinion to you too? LMAO. what are you going to say next? that the PS2 having more supporters is an opinion?
to ME, the xbox failed because of the lack of originality in their games (guns and big suits of armor in nearly every game isn't original, sorry) and of course, the KNOWN fact that Sony had more supporters. again i must say, don't argue against the facts. this is all proof that the PS2 is the better choice for those planning to purchase a ps2 or an xbox for their kids or relatives or something. so yes mr. killtactics it is a fact that the ps2 is better than the xbox. it's a game console. GAME. and the ps2 has a lot more of it than the xbox does. but my guess is that you like the xbox better because 1. better graphics and 2. xbox live. you aren't a gamer, you're a lamer, my friend.
and why is Halo overrated to me? btw, i never said i hate Halo. what are you talking about? O.o i said i play Halo on XBL and even chose Halo over Mario. EVEN said i play it for fun at the same that i'm saying it's not the best ever. apparently you didn't get it. it's probably the most talked about FPS. and why? because of the fan reviews. "omg 10 man omg 10 yo omg omg omg 10 10 10!!1111" i wasn't talking about sales, i was talking about ratings. the game reviews. the scores that the game is given by everyone who reviewed it. o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d. it's made out to be the best FPS ever when it really isn't to me. since we're getting technical here, the best rated FPS ever was probably Half-Life 2 IMO. not just fan reviews but reviews written by pros that know how games are made. not just fans, trying to fit in with some dumb FPS trend. this game did things that Halo and other shooters didn't. in case you don't know, read a bit.
and i don't remember saying that the PS3 raping the 360 is a fact. quote me, go ahead. i dare ya, lmao. the ps2 isn't a better gaming console than the xbox? stop being a fanboy, get a brain and realize that gaming consoles are made for games. and as i've already stated the obvious, the ps2 has a lot more of it. and better ones too. look into the godly library of the ps2 and try to prove me wrong, please. as for the upcoming exclusive PS3 games i mentioned, it's called being excited for upcoming games, for those boring, closed people that don't feel any excitement. look at the 360 games available now and those upcoming. which look like they haven't been tried yet on next-gen? which look like they're doing something different, for a change? go ahead and say the 360. i'll keep saying the PS3. different views. it's cool. and you're right, why would one console suck because i like 3 games for another? see, the reality is, it's not just 3 games. and a real gamer would tell you the same thing. :D :lol:
you must be pretty full of yourself, dude. LOL!
Warkunt
Why would I not be full of myself? Would I think my opinions are lame and off-centered? Would I think things that I'm saying are wrong? Of course not. What kind of comment is this?
go ahead and say the 360. i'll keep saying the PS3. different views.Warkunt
The above quote is further proof that you did not comprehend any of what I wrote. You read it, yet you didn't understand it. My very first post in this thread stated I was not bias towards any system. Any post I made has reassured that stament. How did you come to the conclusion i was a 360 fanboy? Because I defended Halo? I said I didn't like Halo. Past that, Halo is software made by Bungie, available on multiple platforms. That doesn't somehow make me a 360 fanboy. You want my honest opinion about the best system? It's the PC. Oh no, a curveball to your argument.
and you're right, why would one console suck because i like 3 games for another?
Warkunt
I think you finally understand what I've been saying all along. Thank the gods...
i dont have an xbox anymore and i never had live..... i like them both... and the fact that you said all games on the xbox have guns and guys with armor is just dumb.... also i love your bias... when reviews say halo is good you call it over rated, when reviews say HL2 is good you call them pros.... umm ok...resignation? you must be pretty full of yourself, dude. LOL! :lol: hmm lets see. what did i say "look at the facts" to? to the stuff that's obvious?
fact 1: the ps2 has more games
fact 2: the ps2 has a MUCH, MUCH larger variety of games to choose from while the xbox mostly has shooters
fact 3: you'll see more 9's and 10's in the ps2's library due to the FACT that they have MORE games
fact 4: the ps2 is the better console to buy BECAUSE of all these reasons. while the ps2 is mostly for all ages due to the bigger variety of games, the xbox is more for adults because they're so obsessed with making games about shooting.
how many adventure games do you see on the xbox? action games? racing games? fighting games? shooting games? platformer games? puzzle games? tactical games? any kind of game that the xbox has the ps2 has more of it EXCEPT for shooting and THAT is fact. or is that an opinion to you too? LMAO. what are you going to say next? that the PS2 having more supporters is an opinion?
to ME, the xbox failed because of the lack of originality in their games (guns and big suits of armor in nearly every game isn't original, sorry) and of course, the KNOWN fact that Sony had more supporters. again i must say, don't argue against the facts. this is all proof that the PS2 is the better choice for those planning to purchase a ps2 or an xbox for their kids or relatives or something. so yes mr. killtactics it is a fact that the ps2 is better than the xbox. it's a game console. GAME. and the ps2 has a lot more of it than the xbox does. but my guess is that you like the xbox better because 1. better graphics and 2. xbox live. you aren't a gamer, you're a lamer, my friend.
and why is Halo overrated to me? btw, i never said i hate Halo. what are you talking about? O.o i said i play Halo on XBL and even chose Halo over Mario. EVEN said i play it for fun at the same that i'm saying it's not the best ever. apparently you didn't get it. it's probably the most talked about FPS. and why? because of the fan reviews. "omg 10 man omg 10 yo omg omg omg 10 10 10!!1111" i wasn't talking about sales, i was talking about ratings. the game reviews. the scores that the game is given by everyone who reviewed it. o-v-e-r-r-a-t-e-d. it's made out to be the best FPS ever when it really isn't to me. since we're getting technical here, the best rated FPS ever was probably Half-Life 2 IMO. not just fan reviews but reviews written by pros that know how games are made. not just fans, trying to fit in with some dumb FPS trend. this game did things that Halo and other shooters didn't. in case you don't know, read a bit.
and i don't remember saying that the PS3 raping the 360 is a fact. quote me, go ahead. i dare ya, lmao. the ps2 isn't a better gaming console than the xbox? stop being a fanboy, get a brain and realize that gaming consoles are made for games. and as i've already stated the obvious, the ps2 has a lot more of it. and better ones too. look into the godly library of the ps2 and try to prove me wrong, please. as for the upcoming exclusive PS3 games i mentioned, it's called being excited for upcoming games, for those boring, closed people that don't feel any excitement. look at the 360 games available now and those upcoming. which look like they haven't been tried yet on next-gen? which look like they're doing something different, for a change? go ahead and say the 360. i'll keep saying the PS3. different views. it's cool. and you're right, why would one console suck because i like 3 games for another? see, the reality is, it's not just 3 games. and a real gamer would tell you the same thing. :D :lol:
Warkunt
also stop ranting b/c no one read all of that...
for those silly people that are still in denial, i've come with a solution. now, the solution might not actually solve a thing but it will nonetheless show you why exactly, i say the PS2 completely destroys the Xbox. note that stating the facts doesn't make me a fanboy of Sony. it just makes me a fanboy of whoever has more to offer in terms of games. wait but.. Sony has more to offer don't they? i guess that does make me a fanboy of Sony. LOL! after all, these consoles WERE made for games. and Sony KILLS Microsoft in that department.
the xbox is known for this exactly:
1. Xbox Live. a much better online service than the PS2.
2. a more powerful console.
3. the colors green and black.
4. Halo.
5. shooting games.
the list of games that you'll see from here on out are games that i've played for both consoles and the games that are actually worth a mention. check your sources and add any to the list if i'm missing any that deserve some credit but like i said, these are the ones that I'VE played for both Xbox and PS2.
Xbox FPS:
the Halo series, Far Cry Instincts, Star Wars Republic Commando, The Chronicles of Riddick: Escape From Butcher Bay, Unreal Championship 1 and 2. and Conker. Conker might not be a FPS but it's more of a shooter than anything else. (and yup, you could easily find more than half of these for PC or Mac but i named them only because the PS2 did not get them thanks)
Xbox Racers:
Forza Motorsport, Project Gotham Racing 1, Project Gotham Racing 2, Rallisport Challenge 1, Rallisport Challenge 2.
Xbox RPGs:
Star Wars KOTOR 1, KOTOR 2, Fable, Arx Fatalis, Jade Empire and Morrowind.
Xbox Action / Adventure games:
Ninja Gaiden, Oddworld Stranger's Wrath, Otogi 1, Otogi 2. oh btw, for those that don't know, Ninja Gaiden is headed for the PS3. go look at some screens for Sigma and drool. :lol:
Xbox Platformers:
Psychonauts (it's on the PS2 also but i honestly prefer the Xbox version. to me, PS2 version feels like nothing more than some lame halfassed port), Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and Jet Set Radio Future.
Xbox Fighters:
nothing worth mentioning here other than the DOA series. everything else is garbage for me.
Xbox Combat Sims:
MechAssault 1, MechAssault 2.
ok so these are the games that i've actually played on the xbox and i did love most of them especially KOTOR, Ninja Gaiden, Halo, Fable, and MechAssault. but is that really enough to say that the xbox is better than the ps2? is that really enough to consider "the ps2 rapes the xbox" as an opinion?
PS2 RPGs:
FFX, FFX2, FFXI, FFXII, Rogue Galaxy, Radiata Stories, Wild Arms 4, Dragon Quest VIII, Suikoden III, Suikoden V, Dark Cloud 1, Dark Cloud 2, Xenosaga series, Kingdom Hearts 1, Kingdom Hearts 2, Shadow Hearts, Shadows Hearts: Covenant, Shadow Hearts: From The New World, Disgaea: Hour of Darkness, Disgaea 2: Cursed Memories, Champions of Norrath, Growlanser Generations, Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne, Shin Megami Tensei: DD Saga 1 and 2, Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter, Valkyrie Profile 2: Silmeria, .hack series, Tales of the Abyss, Tales of Legendia, Star Ocean: Till The End Of Time, Summoner 1 and 2. these are just some of the PS2 RPG's that I've played over the years. unfortunately i probably did miss out on some but these are the ones that I remember playing frequently. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Action / Adventure:
Okami, MGS2, MGS3, GOW1, GOW2, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, DMC1, DMC3 (the team that created DMC2 should be massacred), Castlevania: Lament of Innocence, Silent Hill 3, Ghosthunter, Primal, Onimusha 2, Onimusha 3, Onimusha 4, Shadow of Rome, Killer7, Soul Reaver 2, Resident Evil 4, Resident Evil: Code Veronica X, Zone of the Enders, Zone of the Enders: 2nd Runner, Rygar. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Platformers:
Jak series (1, 2, 3), Ratchet and Clank series (1, 2, 3), Sly series (1, 2, 3) Maximo Ghosts To Glory, Maximo Vs. Army of Zin, Rayman 2, Klonoa 2, Ape Escape 2, Ape Escape 3. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Fighters:
Tekken 4, Tekken 5, Tekken Tag Tournament (oh and IMO Tekken Tag is still the best 3D fighting game ever created), Virtua Fighter 4 / Evolution, War of the Monsters, Soul Calibur 3, Guilty Gear X, DBZ: Budokai 3. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Combat Sims:
Zone of the Enders, Zone of the Enders: 2nd Runner, Ace Combat 4, Ace Combat 5, Ace Combat Zero, Armored Core 2: Another Age, Armored Core 3, Armored Core: Nexus. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Rhythm / Music:
Frequency, Rez, Amplitude, Guitar Hero, Gitaroo Man. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Puzzle-type games:
Katamari Damacy, We Love Katamari. what wins it here? the PS2.
PS2 Shooters:
Rez, R-Type Final, Ratchet: Deadlocked, Gradius V, Gungrave: Overdose, Contra: Shattered Soldier.
PS2 FPS:
Killzone. (sadly, this is the only PS2 exclusive FPS that i remember playing. and gamespot, from what i've noticed, are the only ones that rated this game with such a low score. i think it had a great presentation, graphics that were good that they sorta pushed the ps2 a little too far. you could notice this at times while you're playing the game. and reloading a gun has never looked so awesome and because of that, there were times that i simply fired at wasted ammo just so i could see myself reloading. my biggest complaint is the length of the game. was too short. unlike some critics, i don't care about Killzone not having a jump button. look at the way the levels are designed. do any of them look like they require any jumping? i sure don't see it. play the game and you'll see why i disagree with gamespot's score. i disagree with lots of their reviews but i'd say this is the main one)
PS2 Racers:
Gran Turismo 3: A Spec, Gran Turismo 4. GT3 gets my vote for best racing game ever created but only because i'm not so into racing games. it's just my favorite out of each racing game i've ever played.
PS2 Car Combat:
Twisted Metal: Black. the best car combat game ever made, IMO.
the xbox might be the better pick for those that love their racing games and first person shooters but in the end, the fact is, the PS2 will remain as the king of all consoles for a very, very long time because of everything that they had to offer. not just shooters and racers. long live the king! and sorry for the extremely long post. i'm 15 and had nothing better to do with my time today. i wasn't cutting school, i swear. i had nothing better to do today and besides, this took me like 40 minutes to write. that's not as long as it seemed is it? LOL! :roll: the ps2 simply has tons more to choose from. more variety. more memorable games. how does that not make the PS2 better than the xbox? please explain, because graphics and xbox live obviously doesn't win it for the xbox.
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