Wrongly Rated Games....

Well, I'll give my opinion:

Underrated

Suikoden II deserved at least a 9, Dirge of Cerberus no less than a 8

Overrated:

No FIFA game deserves more than a 7, Dragon Quest VIII should have gotten a low 7, same for Black and White and MK: Deception

GS hate Shenmue which I loved... ps2 wise err... the Silent Hill games are underrated I suppose-EFG-

Kind of random in the Playstation 2 board, but yeah, Shenmue was well underated

Devil May Cry 3 ........... should've got a 9.4/10

LOTR  The third age is HIGHLY OVERRATED! Booring game, no offence.... but it just does not live up to the movie..

FFXII deserved better than 9.0 (which still is a awesome score) but maybe a 9.3, God Of War as well deserved a perfect 10.0 IMO I couldn't find one flaw with it and I don't want too.

Rumble Roses(got a 6.2) deserved at least a 7

DragonBall Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2(got a 6.5) deserved at least a 8... 

lmoa DBZ budokai tenkaichi 2 was indeed underated it should get a 8.5 or higher.
about FFXII it deserves a 9.0 the game is good but not perfect.

but we all know everybody got diffrent taste so dont blame them i suggest rent it first and jugde it after.

[QUOTE="-EFG-"]GS hate Shenmue which I loved... ps2 wise err... the Silent Hill games are underrated I supposepog_ma_thoin

Kind of random in the Playstation 2 board, but yeah, Shenmue was well underated

And then the score was increased. That will never happen again.

Overrated

Tony Hawks games (getting nine and tens was silly)

Final Fantasy 8

Overrated

Tony Hawks games (getting nine and tens was silly)

Final Fantasy 8

 

master_blue

Yeah, AAAA for a Tony Hawk game was ridiculous. It was an excellent game, but it certainly was not perfect. I wonder what Jeff was on that day.

I agree that all FIFA games were overrated. If any reviewers gave a FIFA game over than 7.5  , I can say that he/she don't know football.

I tend to agree with most of the reviews but Digital Devil Saga stands out as slightly underrated. The first Xenosaga is underrated though I agree with their rating for the second one. Suikoden I and II are very underrated as is the original Valkyrie Profile.mohmaaytah

I noticed that while Greg K reviewed the first Xenosaga episode, the second and third were reviewed by Bethany. 

And of course, different people have different opinions, which is why I don't like this kind of topic. If someone doesn't agree they're free to write their own review.

God of War II

It should have gotten 10 coconuts out of 11. 

superman for n64

that game rocked!

:roll: 

Every single score on Gamespot has been 100% dead on perfectly accurate... for the person writing the review.  None of the games have been wrongly reviewed.  Which is why they are called "Reviews" and not "Votes".

Every single score on Gamespot has been 100% dead on perfectly accurate... for the person writing the review.  None of the games have been wrongly reviewed.  Which is why they are called "Reviews" and not "Votes".

Bgrngod

Well, Shenmue for the Dreamcast had its score changed.

But that will never happen again because like you said, it's the opinion of the reviewer.

I noticed that while Greg K reviewed the first Xenosaga episode, the second and third were reviewed by Bethany.

And of course, different people have different opinions, which is why I don't like this kind of topic. If someone doesn't agree they're free to write their own review.

LordAndrew

You are right about different people and opinions. One thing I am thankful for on this site is their consistency, regardless of who the reviewer is, they are always good reviews to read. 

Metal Gear Solid 3 mrvic87

I also think an 8.7, while a great score, was a little low. I would've liked to see it in the low 9's.

It lacked the polish of MGS:2, afterall.

under rated

gow1 and 2

shadow of the collosus

dbz bt2 they rated it lower than the 1st! it was better in every single way!

over rated

mgs2 good game, not a 9.6

same with GTA Sand Andreas both were mid AA titles imo

GS hate Shenmue which I loved... ps2 wise err... the Silent Hill games are underrated I suppose-EFG-

Shenmue- 7.8, GOOD

Shenmue II (DC)- 8.7, GREAT

Shenmue II (XBOX)- 7.3, GOOD

You should hate yourself for not being smart enough to distinguish a good score from a bad one. 

[QUOTE="-EFG-"]GS hate Shenmue which I loved... ps2 wise err... the Silent Hill games are underrated I suppose2deluxe

Shenmue- 7.8, GOOD

Shenmue II (DC)- 8.7, GREAT

Shenmue II (XBOX)- 7.3, GOOD

You should hate yourself for not being smart enough to distinguish a good score from a bad one.

I think he just meant they were underated, which they were. In my opinion, all were AAA. Well maybe not the Xbox version because it was the same as the DC version, but seemed a little outdated when released. 

If we're talking about the GameSpot ratings here, then I'd probably pick most Strategy-RPG's as the most underrated ones, particularly ones from Atlus/NIS. They generally get 7.5 to 8.2 or so, no matter what they are or how good they are among similar games. Ironically, I think they rated Gladius higher than any others -- and while Gladius is a fine game (I am one of its admirers, and think that it was also largely underrated by most reviewers), it's clearly not better than Disgaea, as games of this specific type go. GS simply doesn't seem to care for the SRPG genre very much, which to me renders their reviews of those games a lot less useful than if they had a greater appreciation for the best ones.

As far as games overrated by GS, I guess the early Tony Hawk games are an easy target, particularly the 10 given to THPS3. It was a great game, but I think the reviewers were so overcome by the fact that it was one of the first PS2 games with online play like that, they just went way overboard. A score of 10.0 represents perfection. A perfect, ideal game, which has no flaws, no shortcomings, and no possible room for any improvement in any aspect of its design, gameplay, or presentation. No game released so far meets those criteria, nor in my opinion will there be one. Perfection is an ideal, a goal to shoot for, but in reality there is always some room for improvement, no matter how tiny.

A score of 10.0 represents perfection. A perfect, ideal game, which has no flaws, no shortcomings, and no possible room for any improvement in any aspect of its design, gameplay, or presentation. No game released so far meets those criteria, nor in my opinion will there be one. Perfection is an ideal, a goal to shoot for, but in reality there is always some room for improvement, no matter how tiny. Silvaryn

No a 10 does not represent perfection. It just means that it was given a 10 in every category. And if no category could receive a 10, no game would score more than a 9.0.

In Jeff's review of Ocarina of Time, he mentions some slowdown in one of the temples. So even though it received a 10, it is clearly not perfect.

[QUOTE="Bgrngod"]

Every single score on Gamespot has been 100% dead on perfectly accurate... for the person writing the review. None of the games have been wrongly reviewed. Which is why they are called "Reviews" and not "Votes".

LordAndrew

Well, Shenmue for the Dreamcast had its score changed.

But that will never happen again because like you said, it's the opinion of the reviewer.

agree 100%.

try telling that to my friend. he thinks that if something gets rated higher on here than another game...example...gears vs gow.

he would always pick gears because it says its better. now myself, i would prefer GOW, because its a amazing game.

i think both GoW games were underrated, aswell as the ACE Combat. 

No a 10 does not represent perfection. It just means that it was given a 10 in every category. And if no category could receive a 10, no game would score more than a 9.0.LordAndrew

Actually, that's not entirely true, since on the first point, they obviously don't go by an actual average. If they did, a 9.9 would be mathematically impossible, given 5 categories to average. Yet games which get 10-10-10-10-9 can apparently get scores within the range of 9.7 to 9.9. That indicates (and they themselves actually say on their "about our ratings" page) there is some variation in how things can be weighted rather than using strict averages. So I'm of the opinion that with that wiggle room available, even a game which rounds off to 10's in the whole number categories should probably still top out around 9.8 or 9.9.

I also noted that according to GameSpot's own review and rating criteria here:

10.0: Perfect - This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can ever aspire to be. Such games could not reasonably be improved upon in any meaningful way.

That to me pretty clearly does denote "perfect", and even if you relax the definition with their "meaningful way" caveat, I still am of the opinion that no game yet released fits their description of a "perfect" 10.0 game. Decimal place aside, they've basically chosen to grade on a 100-point scale overall... well, technically 90 point I guess, since scores are from 1.0 to 10.0, rather than starting from zero. That's the equivalent of a 10-100 range. Anyway, in my opinion the maximum score on scale that specific should be nearly impossible to achieve without total perfection. And no game is totally perfect.

Regardless of how you slice it though, of the games which have received 10.0 under their system (which is only 4 titles I think, and only 1 on the PS2), I would consider THPS3 to be overrated by at least .1 or .2 if not more. ;)

As always, excellent analysis.... I agree with Silvaryn

[QUOTE="LordAndrew"] No a 10 does not represent perfection. It just means that it was given a 10 in every category. And if no category could receive a 10, no game would score more than a 9.0.Silvaryn

Actually, that's not entirely true, since on the first point, they obviously don't go by an actual average. If they did, a 9.9 would be mathematically impossible, given 5 categories to average. Yet games which get 10-10-10-10-9 can apparently get scores within the range of 9.7 to 9.9. That indicates (and they themselves actually say on their "about our ratings" page) there is some variation in how things can be weighted rather than using strict averages. So I'm of the opinion that with that wiggle room available, even a game which rounds off to 10's in the whole number categories should probably still top out around 9.8 or 9.9.

I also noted that according to GameSpot's own review and rating criteria here:

10.0: Perfect - This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can ever aspire to be. Such games could not reasonably be improved upon in any meaningful way.

That to me pretty clearly does denote "perfect", and even if you relax the definition with their "meaningful way" caveat, I still am of the opinion that no game yet released fits their description of a "perfect" 10.0 game. Decimal place aside, they've basically chosen to grade on a 100-point scale overall... well, technically 90 point I guess, since scores are from 1.0 to 10.0, rather than starting from zero. That's the equivalent of a 10-100 range. Anyway, in my opinion the maximum score on scale that specific should be nearly impossible to achieve without total perfection. And no game is totally perfect.

Regardless of how you slice it though, of the games which have received 10.0 under their system (which is only 4 titles I think, and only 1 on the PS2), I would consider THPS3 to be overrated by at least .1 or .2 if not more. ;)

The GTA SA - overrated he got 9.6 -better then FFX that got 9.3,i saying that GTA SA need to get lower then 8.0 because its sucks on the PS2

and underrated its .Hack//G.U Vol.1-6.9 -that must have not lower then 7.5 

BLACK got the shaft...7.4 aint bad but i think 8.4 or 8.5 would've been more justified.

rating a game is really hard... everyone has a different opinion about the games...

IMO GS just helps us with they're professional opinion... like, FFXII getting a 9.0, the game is almost perfect, but not that, in this

case my opinion agrees with GS rating... in others, don't... its like that... 

Black isn't bad but it isn't all that great either!  That score is dead on.  It got boring fast.  I stopped playing it after a couple of levels.

BLACK got the shaft...7.4 aint bad but i think 8.4 or 8.5 would've been more justified.

El_Esbirro

If we're talking about the GameSpot ratings here, then I'd probably pick most Strategy-RPG's as the most underrated ones, particularly ones from Atlus/NIS. They generally get 7.5 to 8.2 or so, no matter what they are or how good they are among similar games. Ironically, I think they rated Gladius higher than any others -- and while Gladius is a fine game (I am one of its admirers, and think that it was also largely underrated by most reviewers), it's clearly not better than Disgaea, as games of this specific type go. GS simply doesn't seem to care for the SRPG genre very much, which to me renders their reviews of those games a lot less useful than if they had a greater appreciation for the best ones.

As far as games overrated by GS, I guess the early Tony Hawk games are an easy target, particularly the 10 given to THPS3. It was a great game, but I think the reviewers were so overcome by the fact that it was one of the first PS2 games with online play like that, they just went way overboard. A score of 10.0 represents perfection. A perfect, ideal game, which has no flaws, no shortcomings, and no possible room for any improvement in any aspect of its design, gameplay, or presentation. No game released so far meets those criteria, nor in my opinion will there be one. Perfection is an ideal, a goal to shoot for, but in reality there is always some room for improvement, no matter how tiny.

Silvaryn

What would the point of having a 10 on the scale be if it is impossible to get?  Tony Hawk 3 deserved the 10 it got.  That game was light years, LIGHT YEARS, ahead of Tony Hawk 2.  TH2 was really good, and then TH3 came out and was this stunner of an improved game.  I haven't had a TH game suck me in since TH3 came out.  It had an appearance on the new PS2, WITH online play, awesome graphics, narry a bug/glitch to be found, and the gameplay was vastly improved with new transitions that TH2 didn't have.

What would the point of having a 10 on the scale be if it is impossible to get?  Tony Hawk 3 deserved the 10 it got.  That game was light years, LIGHT YEARS, ahead of Tony Hawk 2.  TH2 was really good, and then TH3 came out and was this stunner of an improved game.  I haven't had a TH game suck me in since TH3 came out.  It had an appearance on the new PS2, WITH online play, awesome graphics, narry a bug/glitch to be found, and the gameplay was vastly improved with new transitions that TH2 didn't have.Bgrngod

Well as I've said already, I just think on a scale of that grade, a perfect 10.0 should represent true perfection in concept, design, and execution -- no flaws, no weaknesses, and no further room for improvement. Call me picky, but in my opinion, there's always room for improvement -- that's why we always hope sequels and new games will be even better and give us even more. So to me the ultimate score is more of an ideal, a goal to shoot for, even if it's never quite attainable. Like perfection itself.

I'm not saying THPS3 wasn't a good game. I have it, and it was a very good game. For people blown away by the relatively new online play for the PS2, it was a great game. But it certainly wasn't perfect, and I don't know many gamers who would honestly say that there are no better PS2 games than THPS3, released before or since then. I own quite a few games that are better than it from a subjective standpoint, as well as from a technical standpoint. Yet if you go by GS scores, their system essentially calls this "perfect" under their criteria, and not only positions it as the best PS2 game ever released, it says that there could never be a better game than it, because where do you go from 10.0?

A lot of this is a matter of opinion of course, as reviews always are. But in a way, I think that by giving a 10.0 in a case like this, GS almost does their review system a disservice. Some ratings make it harder for me to take them seriously. Then again, I personally don't put all that much stock in any one source's number scores for games, for the reasons pointed out in this thread.

Well as I've said already, I just think on a scale of that grade, a perfect 10.0 should represent true perfection in concept, design, and execution -- no flaws, no weaknesses, and no further room for improvement. Call me picky, but in my opinion, there's always room for improvement -- that's why we always hope sequels and new games will be even better and give us even more. So to me the ultimate score is more of an ideal, a goal to shoot for, even if it's never quite attainable. Like perfection itself.

I'm not saying THPS3 wasn't a good game. I have it, and it was a very good game. For people blown away by the relatively new online play for the PS2, it was a great game. But it certainly wasn't perfect, and I don't know many gamers who would honestly say that there are no better PS2 games than THPS3, released before or since then. I own quite a few games that are better than it from a subjective standpoint, as well as from a technical standpoint. Yet if you go by GS scores, their system essentially calls this "perfect" under their criteria, and not only positions it as the best PS2 game ever released, it says that there could never be a better game than it, because where do you go from 10.0?

A lot of this is a matter of opinion of course, as reviews always are. But in a way, I think that by giving a 10.0 in a case like this, GS almost does their review system a disservice. Some ratings make it harder for me to take them seriously. Then again, I personally don't put all that much stock in any one source's number scores for games, for the reasons pointed out in this thread.

Silvaryn

Gamespot's scoring for games is also relative to the time a game is released.  A game that scores a 9.5 in 2007 would be considered better then a game that scored a 9.5 in 2005.

"We Take Time and Originality Into Account
We judge more critically as time goes by, because our expectations as game players are constantly increasing. When we review a game, we consider it at the exact point in time at which the evaluation is taking place (generally, the week of a game's release) and compare it to what we believe to be the current standards of quality at that time. In general, GameSpot does not favor highly derivative games, which mostly recycle elements from other, previous games. Instead, we appreciate original concepts and ideas that are executed well. This also means that each time an excellent game is released, it becomes incrementally more difficult for another game to be as good in the grand scheme of things. "

So no they are not saying that TH3 is the best game on the PS2.  They are saying that at the time it was released, it was the best game on the PS2.  This would be confusing to someone that simply pulls up the PS2 game list, sorts by score and starts at the top.  They are not taking into account the release dates of these games etc.

all front mission's rock and 4 only got a 7.0 best game ever 

fft rocks