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#1 ebcdic
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So I have been playing both Okami and God Hand, and wow. These are two of the most brilliant games I
have ever played. Why did no one buy these titles?

God Hand is a gift from the beat 'em up gods, brilliant tongue and cheek humor with a superb fighting system (and excellent difficulty). I do not believe I have ever had so many laugh out loud moments playing a video game. Okami is in a word, superb. In 15 years Interactive Art schools will be showing screen shots of this game. It is that beautiful and engaging. I have not been awed by a game like this in some time. The story is just as superb as the art direction, and the game play is A+. The sense of discovery as well as the "painting" system are excellent.

I was so on the GTA/Gears of War/God of War/Resistance bandwagon. But after playing these gems I see how shallow those games are. Kind of like comparing a Michael Bay and David Lynch movie. The developers really put their heart into these games.

Everyone do yourself a favor, with the exception of the 20 of you that bought both, and pick these games up. I wasn't a PS2 gamer last generation and recently picked up a PS3 (which is allowing me to make amends by picking up some excellent last gen ps2 titles). There is no better use for the PS3 right now.

Is is sad that such a brilliant pool of talent like Clover was disbanded...These are the type of games you will be reminiscing about 20 years from now.
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#2 willxcool
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i'm not ashamed i have both games i loved okami, but god hand i have not yet finished the game, yeah i do agree with you that this games will be worth playing, okami is a must but god hand, i give it a 50%
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#3 kenshinhimura16
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Both games are great. Okami has that great looking as the Japanese ink paints, and God Hand is soo Retro that took me back to my younger days, not nly that, but the combo customization is great. Both games have been overlooked by the public, just as Zone of the Enders was.  
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#4 staindcoldlp
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I bought Okami. I've got nothing to be ashamed of.
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#5 2w-sephiroth
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They are allways games that are overshadowed like for example Dreamfall, that game rocked, then psiconauts and as well Beyond good and Evil. What about ICO? That was another piece of art!

I have ordered okami for australian release.

People are overlooking such nice titles, the problem is that they are so many games and so little time to enjoy. Games that give unlimited time of gameplay (for example CS or WOW) are destroying the gaming marketing too.

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#6 raziellich
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I play em all.

I'm playing FFXII for the rpg and epicness, Okami for the exploration/adventure/and yes artsy game, POP Warrior Within for the action packed violence fest (with great puzzles) and then SVR 2007 and GH2 to round it out.

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#7 Thomas-Crown
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I am nuts about OKAMI and games which are very similar in style, shape, ways or forms. E.g. ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, Killer 7, Viewtiful Jeo, God Hand etc...

Is just too bad that those games are not within touch of the mass markets in the west therefore they have been overlooked or even underrated. But thats understandable.

Allot of my friend wouldn't give OKAMI a chance because of the way it looks and they are all into games like COD (PC). But I respect them.  Different people have different taste therefore I wouldn't be ashamed of them or myself if I don't like OKAMI and such. :P

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#8 2deluxe
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Okami got enough praise but I think way too many are turned off by the "voice" effects. If the game only had the King of Cosmos' scratching for voice, that would be heavenly.

Godhand is an example of critics as well as consumers not getting it. Sure Greg got it but others were too stupid to get into the game. Its up there with Tenchu Kurenai and other poorly recieved games. It's a true gamers game. If only the idiots at Sony's Santa Monica studio considered making God of War difficult, I would have liked the game much better.
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#9 Musclassia
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You can complain about games like Okami selling badly, but it's really no surprise.

The casual gamer is someone who is going to be enticed by games that are well advertised (I have never seen an advert for Okami or God Hand), and also the average gamer (not the kind of people who goes on these boards) are playing games like FIFA  and Madden, because they like sports games, and violent shooters with big advertising and names (Call of Duty 3, 50 Cent: Bulletproof etc.), not something which looks cartoony and is about being a wolf with a paintbrush. They like blood and realism, not nice things and light colours. It was never going to sell well, and if people start complaining to people on these boards, who will have likely bought the game, they're complaining to the wrong people.

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#10 brgreen
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You can complain about games like Okami selling badly, but it's really no surprise.

The casual gamer is someone who is going to be enticed by games that are well advertised (I have never seen an advert for Okami or God Hand), and also the average gamer (not the kind of people who goes on these boards) are playing games like FIFA  and Madden, because they like sports games, and violent shooters with big advertising and names (Call of Duty 3, 50 Cent: Bulletproof etc.), not something which looks cartoony and is about being a wolf with a paintbrush. They like blood and realism, not nice things and light colours. It was never going to sell well, and if people start complaining to people on these boards, who will have likely bought the game, they're complaining to the wrong people.

Musclassia
Couldn't agree with you more......
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#11 dante_123456
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i couldn't agree more, i bought Okami, and God Hand both on their release dates, and i've been playing them since, they are some of the best games on the PS2
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#12 raziellich
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I have a subscription to Game Informer, and Okami and God Hand had full page ads. (God Hand's was freaking amazing with the guy getting punched through the mouth.)

Stylistic games just aren't as big here. Same as stylistic movies and music have never been big. Americans have always been fans of straight foward action. We like football. We like James Bond. We like Disturbed. We eat bbq wings and pizza and shy away from roast duck.

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#13 walkair
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In my country,i'm ashamed for even having a game like Okami.All my friends would laugh at me if i told them that i played Okami...They are mindless morons that play only games for wich you don't need a brain.What most people my age here call a game would be this:you find your self in the middle of nowhere with 1000 weapons,no health(so you can't die),and 1000000000000 people to kill.And it would be best for them if they wouldn't have to move,only use one hand for shooting.When i told my friends 3-4 years ago that i'm playing Mario and Pokemon they were all laughing at me.Like i'm an idiot.Don't get me started about watching DBZ...They all think that i'm a kid just cause i like DBZ.2D RPG's to them are games for little kids,because they can't understand what's it all about.Final Fantasy is a stupid game to them because you don't have weapons like tanks or maschine guns or bazookas's.Imagine if i told my friends that i'm playing a game wich has a wolf with a paintbrush for a main character and it looks like a cartoon...Oh sorry,went a little of topic there:)
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#14 VanSulis
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Well unfortantly humans in general want a game with little thinking, not too long, not too short, not too easy, not too hard, plenty of violence, a little bit or just enough of a story, mind-blowing graphics, plenty of hype AND enough patience to beat it. Yeah these are the standards today. These humans are very hard to please now a days because if a game isnt like the way I listed, they hate it. Imagine if they actually had to play a game (like Okami?) that requires intelligence, looking around and using some CREATIVE thinking... wow that would deemed as a turn off and be ignored. It's really a ashame but thats how things are today.

Oh well, their loss our gain in my opinion. Underrated games like Okami, Shadow of the Colossis, ICO and God Hand will be given to the savvy gamer like us who appreciate these games with creativity and sytle. We would take in its full value. I, for one, am thrilled to add these games in my collection.

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#15 Terami
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It's nice to see that not all gamers are blinded by the shiny graphics of the next gen systems.  Great games like Okami are the reason I am still playing PS2.  The only thing I don't like about Okami is how the voices were handled.  God Hand was a little over the top for me.

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#16 RMANPOWER
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I wanted to pick up God Hand, but something told me to hold back. I haven't played any of theses games, but after seeing how people said it's good. I might wanna check it out.
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#17 Silvaryn
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So I have been playing both Okami and God Hand, and wow. These are two of the most brilliant games I have ever played. Why did no one buy these titles?ebcdic

Well, a great many of us here bought them -- particularly Okami, which is one of the most beloved and most recommended games on this forum -- back when they first came out, before Clover was disbanded. I'm not sure why you think we should be ashamed of ourselves. Question is, where have you been? :wink:

I was so on the GTA/Gears of War/God of War/Resistance bandwagon. ebcdic

Ah. Well there ya go. Better late than never though, eh? God Hand is a very specific kind of game, which seems to be love-it or hate-it for most people, including the reviewers. I enjoy it a lot myself, but I would never put it in the same league as Okami. I completely agree with you that Okami is one for the ages, and will likely be looked at as a pinnacle of achievement in design and art direction for years to come.

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#18 kenshinhimura16
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[QUOTE="VanSulis"] Well unfortantly humans in general want a game with little thinking, not too long, not too short, not too easy, not too hard, plenty of violence, a little bit or just enough of a story, mind-blowing graphics, plenty of hype AND enough patience to beat it. Yeah these are the standards today. These humans are very hard to please now a days because if a game isnt like the way I listed, they hate it. Imagine if they actually had to play a game (like Okami?) that requires intelligence, looking around and using some CREATIVE thinking... wow that would deemed as a turn off and be ignored. It's really a ashame but thats how things are today.

Oh well, their loss our gain in my opinion. Underrated games like Okami, Shadow of the Colossis, ICO and God Hand will be given to the savvy gamer like us who appreciate these games with creativity and sytle. We would take in its full value. I, for one, am thrilled to add these games in my collection.


To your list of humans, that are mostly in the 360, not to be a fanboy but its true, just listen to them; I would add the fact that they also hate CG cutscenes.
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#19 kingrich06
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got Okami , i like it so far, sometimes games like movies are better than when rated
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#20 ZhenDash
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Not only I loved both Okami and God Hand, I also love their previous title which was Vietiful Joe and Vietiful Joe 2. It's really a shame to see Clover has been disbanded because they're just starting to make absolutely quality games that stray from the common game fomula.
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#21 shady_825
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I would have both of those games if I had the money for them. I'm about to sell my PS3 version of Tony Hawk's Project 8, so maybe I can get one of them after that. But then how will I pay for Oblivion in a month...? I have some decisions to make.
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#22 Jing16
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Three cheers for Grasshopper and Clover(may you rest in peace).
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#23 raziellich
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Seriously, if Okami could've just had voices....

Normally I don't mind, but they never stop talking and all you can hear is that damn mumbling! ARGH!

That being said, Okami isn't a great game because of its art style. Its a great game because of its depth and fun factor. The art style is a bonus. (and actually a turn off for me, but I looked past it and found a quality game.)

But you can't take away from GTA, Gears of War, or Resistance because they're not particularly artistic. That's just silly. They are games that foucus on a completely different theme and emotion. One shouldn't be ashamed because they chose Gears of War over Okami. Both games have a lot to offer. Its like in movies. A good film critic doesn't hate action movies because he's seen Pan's Labyrinth or something like it. He just knows to take each for what they are. Regardless of how Pan is, it doesn't mean people who like Terminator 2 more are stupid or should be asamed of themselves. They're both good movies. Just like Okami and those three action games are good games.

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#24 SkinnZero
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I have both games as well, and i can say Okami is one of the most beautiful, well developed, original and funny games i´ve ever played! on the other hand, i did´t find God Hand that good. The music is horrible! and the technical issues it has lesses its quality

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#25 skp_16
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Okami is one of the best games ever IMO.
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#26 Hakud0ushi
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Okami is the best, its on my top 3 ps2 games for sure
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#27 Baron_14
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I have Okami.

It is superb

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#28 boybrushdred
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i dont have god hand, but i do have okami. its a good game, but the intro is long and boring.
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#29 _Dez_
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Okami is an excellent game, but I guess it's unusual style didn't appeal to many people, not to mention little advertising. I don't recall ever hearing of this game until I saw reviews showing up.

As for God Hand... I haven't played it. I don't know why I haven't played it. It sounds like the kind of beat-em up challenge that I'm looking for. The reviews for the game seems so widely mixed, it's kind of odd, but I plan to add this to my collection.

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#30 Ms_Lockheart
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i really like Okami. the paintbrush technique is incredibly fun, and even the gameplay outside of that is awesome. the graphics and music are both beautiful too. there really hasnt been a big flaw i've seen so far.

i haven't played God Hand though, and i don't really plan on doing so. i'm not really into action/fighting games.

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#31 Shiggums
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Why should I be ashamed of not buying games that don't appeal to me? My choice in the matter, not anyone elses.
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#32 Fredrick2003x
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Yeah, it really is a shame that we don't see more games like Okami...
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#33 Sim_genius
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Hey, you're right mister. Okami is just beautiful in every way. I felt so sad when I heard the number of copies it sold compared to other games such as Madden or even the Hannah Montana game.

As for God Hand, I've been eternally searching for it in my country and I'm this close to import it because I cannot seem to find it here. Me, as much as you, encourage people to play these kind of games not because they're good but because they offer a different gameplay experience must games today do not.

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#34 Giff1988
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God Hands one of my favorite games that I've played in years and easily takes top honors amongst the best the PS2 has to offer. As for Okami..."Meh" got boring, story didnt drag me in and I lost interest after Giant spider boss.
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#35 blem16
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i got okami the first day it came out....its alright, def Not one of my fav games, but i respect that it went for something diffirent and i can see how some ppl would really enjoy it, but it didn't apeal to me as much as others...it felt childish and boring in lots of ways....
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#36 deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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I bought Okami. I've got nothing to be ashamed of.staindcoldlp
Me too day one. It's one of the best PS2 games one could buy.
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#37 Uma-Chan
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I'm not ashamed at all, I own God Hand and I thought it was an under appreciated title, it was really done well, the story and the mechanics were great, I enjoyed the crap out of that game.

Okami is on my list of games to buy, but at the moment I don't have any money at all so I can't buy it, or any games for that matter..so I have to wait, but I'm grabbing it the minute I get some money, because I REALLY want to try my hand at it, the game looks amazing.

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#38 Brghton
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I haven't played God Hand, but I fully agree with you on Okami. In fact, it's on of the artistic masterpieces on the PS2 (others include Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Metal Gear Solid 3).
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#39 Honenheim
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i bought okami on its 1 st week release :)
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#40 khalid_b
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okami ftw...i didnt realise the game had such low game sales...its such an amazing piece of work i am a bit shocked....this must be the reason y clover disbanded i guess :(. Regardless this game is a an amazing piece of art both graphically and in terms of gameplay and was undoubtedly one of the best experieces that i have ever enjoyed on my ps2...kudos to clover (hope they come back together or form a new company) for developing such an awesome game...it was the closest thing Sony ever had to a Zelda game!
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#41 War-Tex
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i bought both of them,and i like them.yeah god hand is really under rated here,its a unique one of a kind game

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#42 Old_Gooseberry
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I'm ashamed I bought Okami. Lessons were learned from it though, no matter how unique it looks, it still may not be fun for all. Not bashing it though, just couldn't get into it enough to finish the fight.
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#43 carrotthead
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i have okami so i'm not "ashamed"...but even if i didn't i still wouldn't be ashamed
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#44 hot114
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What a ridiculous topic. of all the games in my PS2 library God Hand is easily the hardest to recommend. Its monotonous, is far from perfect (bugs and brain dead AI), and isn't that grand on the graphics either. i am sure most people would even hate it and honestly i cant blame em, its just so vastly diverent from anything you're accustomed to.

I manage to enjoy god hand for what it is but dont feel put down if you cant enjoy it, its just not everybody's game and will only appeal to a (very) small audience.

I give this thread my thumbs down.