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why my PS3 only shows at 720p for Nnja Gaiden?? I want to see it at 1080i, but I can't adjust it.
I am sure that I have adjusted the display setting to be qualified for both 720p and 1080i, but now it only shows at 720p for all games? any ideas?
I am using a Vizio W32L TV.
Now one more question, after I limit the display option to 1080i (discard 720p) it now displays at 1080i.
Is there a possibleway to choose both and just let PS3 choose which one to use based on the max output the game can support?
Yup, just connect to RFOM online play today, and it is currently at 1.82
And if I turn on all of the display options (including 1080p, which my TV shouldn't support), the game runs at 1080p resolution.
What is wrong with my TV??
why my PS3 only shows at 720p for Nnja Gaiden?? I want to see it at 1080i, but I can't adjust it.
I am sure that I have adjusted the display setting to be qualified for both 720p and 1080i, but now it only shows at 720p for all games? any ideas?
I am using a Vizio W32L TV.
Real3motion
Your screen is an LCD so it's not even capable of showing 1080i. Sure it can accept it, but the screen itself only has so many pixels and in your case, like many 720p tv, you have 1366*768 pixels. 720p is 1280*720, they just use 1366*768 because it's cheaper to produce. You would need a full 1080p LCD (1920*1080) to actually deinterlace and show 1080i at its 1920*1080, but at that point you could do 1080p at 60fps. Sure your tv will convert 1080i down to 1366*768 (768p), but 1080i is limited to 30fps, and depending on the quality of the LCD deinterlacing in fast motion you might begin to see 540p (as a case even on the highest end 1080p tvs with 1080i). While 720p runs at full 60fps for this game.
It's up to you though which you find looks better. It's possible there could be less jaggies with 1080i downscaled to 768p at 30fps compared to 720p upscaled to 768p at 60fps.
Your tv does output at 1080i all HD tvs output in that resolution. Even though your max resolution is 1366x768 your tv takes a 540 signal and doubles in order to output in 1080i. 1080i means interlaced which means your only looking at 540 lines refreshed at any given moment while 1080p means your always looling at 1080 lines refreshed at any given moment. The fact that your only seeing 540 lines refreshed at any given moment with 1080i is the reason some people say 720p looks better cause your always looking at 720 lines refreshed at any given moment.
Now for as the reason for why your tv excepts a 1080p signal I don't know:? My tv does that same thing I can set my ps3 to 1080p and play any game that supports 1080p in that output. My tv is an off brand tv that BestBuy sells called insignia. It was only worth 700 dollars so I know its not a 1080p set. I know that most 720p sets wont even show a picture if you set the ps3 to a 1080p output like me and my friend tried on his plasma so it is odd that both of our tvs can recieve a 1080p signal. Another odd thing is that the 1080p signal I recieve looks better than the 1080i signal I can recieve, but I think it looks as good as the 720 signal though. I can't watch blu-ray movies in 1080p only 1080i, I guess because I'm connected to my ps3 through component, cause I don't have HDMI.
Your tv does output at 1080i all HD tvs output in that resolution. Even though your max resolution is 1366x768 your tv takes a 540 signal and doubles in order to output in 1080i. 1080i means interlaced which means your only looking at 540 lines refreshed at any given moment while 1080p means your always looling at 1080 lines refreshed at any given moment. The fact that your only seeing 540 lines refreshed at any given moment with 1080i is the reason some people say 720p looks better cause your always looking at 720 lines refreshed at any given moment.
Now for as the reason for why your tv excepts a 1080p signal I don't know:? My tv does that same thing I can set my ps3 to 1080p and play any game that supports 1080p in that output. My tv is an off brand tv that BestBuy sells called insignia. It was only worth 700 dollars so I know its not a 1080p set. I know that most 720p sets wont even show a picture if you set the ps3 to a 1080p output like me and my friend tried on his plasma so it is odd that both of our tvs can recieve a 1080p signal. Another odd thing is that the 1080p signal I recieve looks better than the 1080i signal I can recieve, but I think it looks as good as the 720 signal though. I can't watch blu-ray movies in 1080p only 1080i, I guess because I'm connected to my ps3 through component, cause I don't have HDMI.
deebo_x
I think you got the 1080i thing a bit wrong. Not all HDTVs output 1080i. The only tvs that actually run in an interlaced mode that I know of are CRT HDTVs. Everything else is progressive. So say a LCD that has 1366*768, it doesn't run in an 540p interlaced mode with 1080i, the tv first deinterlaces 1080i in to a progressive signal and then scales it down to 768p.
And even if some how it happened, 1366 pixels across falls way short of 1920 pixels in 1080i. Basically, 1366*540 does not equal 1920*540. With a 1080p tv, 1920*1080, it does the same deinterlacing, but it's not perfect and fast motion doesn't resolve all 1080 from 1080i. There are a few 1080p tvs that do proper inverse teceline with film based sources to get it perfectly back into 1080p. Note: Most 1080p tvs can convert 1080i from the HD cable tuner back into 1080p properly, just not external sources usually.
On 1080p working on a 720p tv. Well, if it works, that just means it's scaling it down like 1080i. Though, things can be odd from tv to tv. My Olevia worked with 1080p from my 360, but the picture was acting wierd, and shacky. And a 1080p signal can be as high as 60fps, while 1080i is only 30fps. Kind of a good point to bring up, what if a game actually runs at 60fps. So picking 1280*720 60 time a second is a lot more pixels than 1080i downscaled to 1366*768 30 times a second. If your tv does properly downscale 1080p 60fps down to 1366*768, it may look better if the game was native 1080p.
Hmm, but you guys still haven't answered my question exactly:
My TV now does two things:
1. if my PS3 display setting is 480p, 720p, 1080i. All my games run at 720p instead of 1080i.
2. How can I make my games run at maximum resolution (1080i) instead of 720p?
I have tried to limit the display option to 1080i only, but it doesn't work that well. ONly ninja Gaiden runs at 1080i, others run at 480i.
My updates is at 1.82 no doubt. So anything in the settings that I am missing?
Hmm, but you guys still haven't answered my question exactly:
My TV now does two things:
1. if my PS3 display setting is 480p, 720p, 1080i. All my games run at 720p instead of 1080i.
2. How can I make my games run at maximum resolution (1080i) instead of 720p?
I have tried to limit the display option to 1080i only, but it doesn't work that well. ONly ninja Gaiden runs at 1080i, others run at 480i.
My updates is at 1.82 no doubt. So anything in the settings that I am missing?
Real3motion
If the game is 720p the PS3 can't upscale them to 1080i. If you you turn off 720p then it will default to 480p. Some future games will come with built-in upscalers to get around the current PS3 hardware limitation. But that kind of feature is mainly meant for those that have a 1080i tv that can't accept 720p, so in the past those people are stuck with 480p even though they have 1080i. Ninja Gaiden is a 1080p game, so it also supports 1080i and 720p, as all 1080p games.
But again, your tv has a resolution of 768p, why are you trying to get all your games to run at 1080i? Didn't my post explain anything? 1080i limits to 30fps, so why try to use it, force your tv to downscale to 768p at 30fps when you can instead just run games at 720p at a max of 60fps? Not to mention any loss in quality from the deinterlacing process for 1080i, which when fast motion happens can be as low-res as 540p.
[QUOTE="Real3motion"]Hmm, but you guys still haven't answered my question exactly:
My TV now does two things:
1. if my PS3 display setting is 480p, 720p, 1080i. All my games run at 720p instead of 1080i.
2. How can I make my games run at maximum resolution (1080i) instead of 720p?
I have tried to limit the display option to 1080i only, but it doesn't work that well. ONly ninja Gaiden runs at 1080i, others run at 480i.
My updates is at 1.82 no doubt. So anything in the settings that I am missing?
TimothyB
If the game is 720p the PS3 can't upscale them to 1080i. If you you turn off 720p then it will default to 480p. Some future games will come with built-in upscalers to get around the current PS3 hardware limitation. But that kind of feature is mainly meant for those that have a 1080i tv that can't accept 720p, so in the past those people are stuck with 480p even though they have 1080i. Ninja Gaiden is a 1080p game, so it also supports 1080i and 720p, as all 1080p games.
But again, your tv has a resolution of 768p, why are you trying to get all your games to run at 1080i? Didn't my post explain anything? 1080i limits to 30fps, so why try to use it, force your tv to downscale to 768p at 30fps when you can instead just run games at 720p at a max of 60fps? Not to mention any loss in quality from the deinterlacing process for 1080i, which when fast motion happens can be as low-res as 540p.
You explained well, indeed. I just wanted to see if there would be any differences between 720p and downscaled 1080i.
And it seems to me by default all my games run at 720p, including Ninja Gaiden. Isn't PS3 supposed to adjust the output automatically for me based on the games? Ninja Gaiden in my case should set as 1080i, not 720p.
All my Blku- ray movies run at 1080i as well.
Ok, so to be exact, I just want to know how to change the display format, when I dun like the fromat chosen by PS3? e.g change from 1080i to 720p or the other way around. (assuming games or movies can support it)
You explained well, indeed. I just wanted to see if there would be any differences between 720p and downscaled 1080i.
And it seems to me by default all my games run at 720p, including Ninja Gaiden. Isn't PS3 supposed to adjust the output automatically for me based on the games? Ninja Gaiden in my case should set as 1080i, not 720p.
All my Blku- ray movies run at 1080i as well.
Ok, so to be exact, I just want to know how to change the display format, when I dun like the fromat chosen by PS3? e.g change from 1080i to 720p or the other way around. (assuming games or movies can support it)
Real3motion
I don't know what's with Ninja Gaiden. When I first got the PS3 and had a 768p tv I had it set for 720p and 1080i (as it was needed for blu-ray back then). My only 1080p game was Full Auto 2, so it also supported 720p and 1080i. When I played the game it defaulted to 1080i. So it did choose the highest first in this case. I perferably wanted 720p, this meant I had to go into the display options and disable 1080i, leaving only 720p, then game would work in720p. Though, this meant I'd have to back and enable 1080i again when I played a blu-ray movie as at the time blu-ray only played at 1080i/1080p.
For some reason Ninja Gaiden wants to default to 720p before 1080i, which is odd compared to my experience. And if you turn off 720p to force it to 1080i, then the moment you put in a 720p game like Motorstorm or Resistance it would go to 480p until you turned 720p on again.
It seems you do understand the difference with 1080i on your 768p tv. So when you have a 1080p game you can always check to see if 720p or 1080i looks better. Even though you're not seeing full 1080i, it's possible the downscaling effect could make it appear sharper, less jaggy and such. It just depends from tv to tv so I don't usually suggest that right off the bat.
With blu-ray movies I wanted to do 1080i on my 768p tv because I knew it handled it well and I could get more detail out of 1080i downscaled to 768p compared to upscaling lower 720p to 768p. It gets even more complicated. I know have a 1080p tv. I have a HD-DVD player that only outputs a max of 1080i and the PS3 Blu-ray player that does 1080p. You'd think a 1080p tv can atleast fully conert 1080i back into 1080p, but nope, most don't do full inverse teceline (where it reverses the process that made 1080p into 1080i).
So when I play 1080i from HD-DVD I'm told with slow and still shots it can show full 1080 lines on the 1080p screen, but when fast movement and pans happen, it can't process it fully and you end up seeing as low as 540 lines. So it constantly changes as your watching. Then you have to figure, if you're going to watch a comedy, then 1080i would be best since it would be still enough to get a lot of detail. But if I put in a fast action movie, it might be better to choose 720p since it can maintain that detail in the fastest moments. Even further, maybe it's all a wash since since often fast movment has some amount of motion blur so would I ever notice between the two :)
then i got a question is 720p better than 1080i? or does it depend on the game?
qmoney88
It depends more on the tv, sometimes the game how it outputs 1080i. If again you have a LCD with the common resolution of 1366*768 (you can call that 768p) then choosing 1080i might not have a huge difference over 720p. The tv has to deinterlace and downscale it to 768p, and that can vary in quality from tv to tv. It's possilbe if it does it well to pull out more detail from your screen by using all of 768p compared to giving it lower 720p that it has to upscale to 768p. Just the upscaling could soften the 720p from the interpolation. While downscaling usually results in sharper image (if it has good processing). But then a fast game with a lot of twitch motion might look sharper in those moments in 720p. So in the end, you understand you can't fully show 1080i, but the conversion process might look a bit better, maybe even reduce jaggies. You just have to test for yourself as again it depends on the tv and game. And some games do run at 60fps at 1080p like Ninja Gaiden, but the nature of 1080i runs at 30fps. So any possible benefit 1080i has downscaled to 768p has a con of only 30fps, while 720p can have 60fps.
Example. When I had a my 55inch 768p tv I tried 1080i on the PS3 with Full Auto 2. Even in fast motion it seemed sharper than ever. (This tv was list $3500 2 years ago, it was sony's top model before 1080p so it better process 1080i well). Though, the 1080i seemed to not run as smooth compared to when it was 720p, but then 720p you could make out pixels more often since they were not a smoothed or blended togethor the way the downscaling did to 1080i.
Then came Gears of War on the 360, which was suppose to run at 1080i (or it could have been upscaling to 1080i). But this had a horrible effect on the same tv. Suddenly the game just looked soft at 1080i, like it was throwing out half the fields and just showing 540p. Switching back to 720p made a huge difference. I never noticed something that bad when I had tried 1080i vs 720p with Oblivion on the 360, only that at 1080i Oblivion had worse framerate.
Ohy, there was a time when buying a tv was as simple as color or black and white. Now you got so many different type of LCDs, different processing quality, different resolutions, different life spans, different contrast, etc.
Note: Some games are now offering upscaling built-in, that the game offers in software mode instead of the PS3. So it's possible a game that lists 720p,1080i and 1080p is really only a 720p game, and then choosing 1080i just upscales 720p to 1080i, then the tv has to downscale that to 768p. And with so much processing, some quality has to be lost. And even the first game like this, Rainbow Six Vegas, has some glitch where the upscaled 1080i looks horrible and soft over just choosing 720p. Now this whole mess got more complicated. Which games have the best upscaling software, with no glitches, then which games actually render at 1080i and 1080p and when ones are the upscaling kind. LOL
Wow thank you for the detailed explanation man. I guess it is b/c of the game not the settings then.
I will try full auto2 and see what type of mode the game is running at. If it is 1080i that means Ninja Gaiden prefer 720p over 1080i.
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