An article from CNN.........

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/27/magazines/business2/sony_playstation.biz2/

 I may be wrong- but the man writing this article seems very biased. He's convinced that the PS3 has already lost this console war.

oh well,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

He's writing from a business perspective. And I can agree with him that financially, there are other systems that are off to hotter starts.

That being said, he's a financial analyst. He doesn't write for a gaming publication. So while I would take some of his news and be a bit worried (the financial aspects), the other parts I would disregard as pure speculation (you cannot lose a console war in the 1st 6 months. Short of supplying your userbase with consoles that incinerate homes) 

there is only 1 thing i can say

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

people make prediction way to fast 

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

legalize3

lol amen my brother!!  =P

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

legalize3

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

kingtito

Fair enough.  Let's come back in two years and review this. 

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

this just shows that the things that are being said now about the PS3 were also said about the PS2.  and look how it turned out.  nobody can say that the PS3 will turn out the same way, but nobody can say that the PS3 won't turn out the same way. 

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

Clearly... the article is reflecting the situation right now... However, Sony always said that the PS3 has a 10 years life cycle. In the Long run, the Wii will definitely lose out and Nintendo would probably release a new console 5 or 6 years down the line as the Wii will struggle to keep up with the demand of the consumers. Another main reason for Wii to out sell PS3 at the moment, is simply the price tag which indicated by the author of the article. The price of the Wii justified the hardware inside and same goes for the PS3. Anyway, that's my opinion. :P

in my response to the article, what type of "financial analyst" doesn't know the price of the Wii?

It also helped drive up the cost of the PS3 to $600, a record price for a console, and put Kuturagi's division in the red to the tune of $1.7 billion. The Wii cost just $150.

also, what gamers have complained about the blu-ray drive being too slow?  last time I checked, games either load at the same speed or faster than the "other" console that uses a "faster" drive.

Over at Sony, Kuturagi was too busy thinking about how to push the company's other technologies. The PS3 was to create a vast installed base for Blu-Ray DVD, one of the rival formats in the ongoing high-definition DVD wars. All well and good if you're thinking about buying a PS3 as a DVD player, but gamers complained that the speed of the Blu-Ray drive was too slow when doing what drives in consoles are supposed to do: load games.

he makes it sound like the "other" system is the only one that you can connect an Ipod to....but we all know that you can do the same with the PS3.

You buy them for the games, but once inside your home, they take over your life. They become the brains of your TV, your entertainment center, even your main communications device with IP telephony and chat functions. They converge all your technological needs in one box. (Microsoft, at least, didn't assume that we would only want to use its technology in this converged device; it allowed you to plug in your iPod to the Xbox 360.)

He really sounds like a mis-informed analyst.  Man, I wish I could get paid to write about stuff that I don't really know about. 

if he's writing from a business standpoint, he should know how the business works. It's not over half a year after the systems launched, especially since the profit is made from game sales and not hardware sales. You can tell all you want how casuals buy into the Wii hype, those casuals aren't the people who create a lot of revenue by getting a ton of games. The hardcore gamer is the one who gets 1 game+ per month and that audience won't be satisfied with 75% of the lineup being minigame collections.

 Anyways, I'm going way off, the fact that he says the Wii costs $150 makes this article a joke

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

How different was it really?  Theres more gamers now then there were 7 years ago.  ITs boomed since then.  Things were not that different.  The difference is is that theres more gamers.  There will be more buyers when the time comes for the ps3.  Its starting to make the turn. There are many people who are going from the 360 to the ps3.  I can even see it where I live and my friends and coworkers.  A few months ago people were like yeah that good but now its a must have to them after seeing what it does and what it will do.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

fuman3

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

How different was it really?  Theres more gamers now then there were 7 years ago.  ITs boomed since then.  Things were not that different.  The difference is is that theres more gamers.  There will be more buyers when the time comes for the ps3.  Its starting to make the turn. There are many people who are going from the 360 to the ps3.  I can even see it where I live and my friends and coworkers.  A few months ago people were like yeah that good but now its a must have to them after seeing what it does and what it will do.

What are you talking about. There hasn't been a turn. It's not the same as it was 7 years ago and the PS3 will sell more is pure speculation with absolutely no facts to back that up.

The PS3 IS being outsold and I know LOTs of people that own a PS2 that will NOT buy a PS3. You can make bogus claims all you like but all it will be is hope.....not facts.

last few weeks sony's stock has been on fire.  it has not seen a drop in value, always climbing.  it is at $55.xx/pop atm..and it is still rising.risqu3

That has what to do with the PS3?

It's very apparant that this guy isn't a gamer.  Any real gamer knows that the Wii is not even real competition to the 360 or the PS3.  In fact, most gamers have a Wii and some other form of gaming be it PS3, 360 or PC. 

The Wii is outselling other consoles because it's cheaper and it's software and wii-mote are for casual people who probably play the wii for 3 hours a week because they're arms get tired or they're playing something else.

I'm not going to take that article too seriously.  If he's putting ALL his eggs in the wii-basket, he doesn't know gamers.  I'm an adult and i don't want to play a simulation game all the time.  There's more to gaming than bowling!!!

[QUOTE="fuman3"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

How different was it really? Theres more gamers now then there were 7 years ago. ITs boomed since then. Things were not that different. The difference is is that theres more gamers. There will be more buyers when the time comes for the ps3. Its starting to make the turn. There are many people who are going from the 360 to the ps3. I can even see it where I live and my friends and coworkers. A few months ago people were like yeah that good but now its a must have to them after seeing what it does and what it will do.

What are you talking about. There hasn't been a turn. It's not the same as it was 7 years ago and the PS3 will sell more is pure speculation with absolutely no facts to back that up.

The PS3 IS being outsold and I know LOTs of people that own a PS2 that will NOT buy a PS3. You can make bogus claims all you like but all it will be is hope.....not facts.

ps2 also didnt sell well in his first year..people still enjoyed their ps1

people dont need to make conclusions as if the consoles wont last for another year damn it just started besides the ps3 outsold the xbox360  the same time frame 5 months after launch...

besides why would people jump ship already if the fun is still on ps2 with god of war 2 and friends ? heck why do you think ps2 is still selling like hotcake...

[QUOTE="fuman3"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

How different was it really? Theres more gamers now then there were 7 years ago. ITs boomed since then. Things were not that different. The difference is is that theres more gamers. There will be more buyers when the time comes for the ps3. Its starting to make the turn. There are many people who are going from the 360 to the ps3. I can even see it where I live and my friends and coworkers. A few months ago people were like yeah that good but now its a must have to them after seeing what it does and what it will do.

What are you talking about. There hasn't been a turn. It's not the same as it was 7 years ago and the PS3 will sell more is pure speculation with absolutely no facts to back that up.

The PS3 IS being outsold and I know LOTs of people that own a PS2 that will NOT buy a PS3. You can make bogus claims all you like but all it will be is hope.....not facts.

bogus claims?  what are yours then?  they surely aren't based on any facts.  show me the FACTS that say that the PS3 won't sell as many units as the PS2 has.  the PS3 is being outsold?  OK. what does that have to do with anything?  last time I checked, one gaming generation lasted 6-7 years...not 6-7 months.

you still didn't answer the question, what is different between then and now?  you said it's different, so please explain.

and I think it's safe to say that the small number of people that you know that "own a PS2 and will NOT buy a PS3" is small enough to not matter.  does 25 PS3 sales really matter?  now if you knew the entire continent of Europe, then that would be a different story. 

[QUOTE="risqu3"]last few weeks sony's stock has been on fire. it has not seen a drop in value, always climbing. it is at $55.xx/pop atm..and it is still rising.kingtito

That has what to do with the PS3?

that it's slow sales of the PS3 are obviously not hurting Sony as much as the fanboys(like you) would lead people to believe. 

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/27/magazines/business2/sony_playstation.biz2/

 I may be wrong- but the man writing this article seems very biased. He's convinced that the PS3 has already lost this console war.

NazzyQ

CNN.com had also posted an article a few days ago that was from Forbes.com saying Microsoft lost. CNN reputation is gone down the drain and not just because of this.

[QUOTE="fuman3"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

How different was it really?  Theres more gamers now then there were 7 years ago.  ITs boomed since then.  Things were not that different.  The difference is is that theres more gamers.  There will be more buyers when the time comes for the ps3.  Its starting to make the turn. There are many people who are going from the 360 to the ps3.  I can even see it where I live and my friends and coworkers.  A few months ago people were like yeah that good but now its a must have to them after seeing what it does and what it will do.

What are you talking about. There hasn't been a turn. It's not the same as it was 7 years ago and the PS3 will sell more is pure speculation with absolutely no facts to back that up.

The PS3 IS being outsold and I know LOTs of people that own a PS2 that will NOT buy a PS3. You can make bogus claims all you like but all it will be is hope.....not facts.

Well backing it up by saying lots of people who own a PS2 don't want to buy a PS3 (and please do tell how many exactly) does not include the FACT that lots of people would, either now or in the future. You started off nicely, but finishing up subjectively makes your claim pretty ignorant as well.

The truth is, is that we can all make predictions as much as we want, but it's all in the hands of the consumer and how well sony markets their product. How much they will sell only the future holds. Ohh, and btw CNN is hardly the authority in the gaming genre, considering they don't take anything into account when it comes to potential, future games, or temporary popular trends (like the wii). True that numbers don't lie, but the factors that manipulate those numbers are undetermined and are completely unjustified, especially because it can take a few great hit games and the sales sky rocket. (hmm were did I see this before I wonder???)

I personally love this part....

"Decades from now, PS3 vs. Wii will be remembered as a cautionary business tale: how pride, politics, and an overabundance of technology can blind you to the simple truth of what consumers want."

Decades from now? This guy can determine what will happen in 20 years based on 6 months of sales? Wow. I will also assume that by "what consumers want" means games...just gimme the games.  Exactly how many more great, worthplaying games does the Wii have over the PS3?  If the Wii is so great why don't I own one?

In all honesty I think that people are buying the Wii because it is so inexpensive in comparison to the PS3 and 360.  Sure for now the novelty of mini-games and cooking sims are neat, but in 2 years what will people be playing? Wario Ware Smooth Moves 4? Mama Cook-Off Sushi Edition?

Playing it will get boring, the increase of HDTV's will make the 480p limit of the system start to show and the paltry online implementation will really hinder the system. The Wii is like a SmartCar, you appreciate the effort but you can't function properly without another, bigger car to handle all of the other things you want to get done.

To tell you truthfully, I hope that the PS3 does so amazingly well JUST so I can see all these business types fumble over themselves with praise for it. Nothing would make my day any better than the day they do that. I mean Sony has moved in some strange directions with the high price, lack of rumble, and their PR system in the beginning, but honestly...if Sony wasnt fumbling the ball like this do you really think that the other consoles would be enjoying this amazing lack of criticisms for their consoles. I honestly do not believe that they would.

 Besides I mean from the article, you can tell that the only game he really played was Wii Sports, or various other minigame centric games. There is still a very large element of the traditional controller, at least spiritually. The controller(w/ nunchuk) still maintains one analog stick, has two less buttons than the Sixaxis, and 1 more than Gamecube controller. While it is an innovative control scheme, it is hardly the over-simplified game control scheme that this article makes it sound like.

I agree with Rothman.  The article is definitely angled from a business perspective.  However, what sells games and consoles and ultimately dictates success can't be quantified.  This article may have legs now, but given another year and it'll be so off base people will wonder where the author was coming from.  It's amazing how much things resemble the PS2's life so far.emitsu97

very tru, the life of the ps3 atm is just like the early stages of the ps2...bad press and every1 hopes it fails. sad truth it the Wii really is a short term winner...its gunna get owned in graphics and other areas.

[QUOTE="risqu3"]last few weeks sony's stock has been on fire.  it has not seen a drop in value, always climbing.  it is at $55.xx/pop atm..and it is still rising.kingtito

That has what to do with the PS3?

Hey King (as I bow humbly before a force to be 360'd with)

Do you like ANYTHING about the PS3?

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

Why not? I think it's a perfectly valid comparison. People doubted the PS2 7 years ago. It turned out pretty good. 

People are doubting the PS3 now. What's to say it won't take off again like the PS2 did?

there is only 1 thing i can say http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.htmlpeople make prediction way to fastlegalize3

[QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

kingtito

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

Basically all he said was that the mass market consumer does not want a system that does everything right out of the box and they definitely don't want to spend $599 to do so.

That price point was, in my opinion, the worst move Sony made. The machine is GREAT, but consumers are not willing to spend that kind of money for what they view as a gaming machine only.

Nintendo just makes games, a couple good, some ok and a lot bad but their focus is getting the most to the consumer at the lowest cost possible. Look at the Ds; the buy in on that is literally off the charts and the wii will be as well. 5.84 million And they plan to sell 14 million more by March of 2008. Over 20M in just 1 year. That's insane.

I never thought the Ds would sell because frankly I thought the games were a joke, well I was way off and the Ds is planning on selling another 20M this year.

I have the 360 and I have the PS3. I do not have a wii because at press time the library of games does not interest me. I saw 2 wii's at a Wal-Mart yesterday and thought long and hard looking at that gaming library Nintendo currently have and nothing stood out and say get this system for this game. Will that every happen? Sure, but not today and not until I see what games they will have in the future.

Consumers want to play games alone, with friends and family and frankly they don't want to spend nearly a house note in order to do so.

Sony and MS were looking to attain a different consumer, but at press time that consumer has yet to emerge.

who is this son of a b**ch he can suck my ba**s fu**ing north american

i hate people like that talking bulls**t all the time i'm not a Sony fanboy or something i just don't like how he says the things.

Ken Kuturagi didn't "retire" from his position.. he was forced out of his position.... why?? because the ps3 is just not selling well enough. It's a good start with trying to fix the problem by getting rid of him. I wonder what they'll do next?Lgmagic

I would love to hear an explanation as to how firing Mr. Kuturagi would attract customers to the PS3.

Was his breath repulsive enough to prevent would-be consumers from picking up a unit? 

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="legalize3"]

there is only 1 thing i can say

 

http://archive.salon.com/tech/log/2000/10/27/playstation_rant/index.html

 

people make prediction way to fast 

crck

Stop trying to compare what was said 7 years ago to what is being said now. It was a different time, different console and different price. Things are a lot different now than they were 7 years ago. What happened back then has absolutely no impact on what happens now.

Ken Kuturagi didn't "retire" from his position.. he was forced out of his position.... why?? because the ps3 is just not selling well enough. It's a good start with trying to fix the problem by getting rid of him. I wonder what they'll do next?Lgmagic

I personally love this part....

"Decades from now, PS3 vs. Wii will be remembered as a cautionary business tale: how pride, politics, and an overabundance of technology can blind you to the simple truth of what consumers want."

Decades from now? This guy can determine what will happen in 20 years based on 6 months of sales? Wow. I will also assume that by "what consumers want" means games...just gimme the games.  Exactly how many more great, worthplaying games does the Wii have over the PS3?  If the Wii is so great why don't I own one?

In all honesty I think that people are buying the Wii because it is so inexpensive in comparison to the PS3 and 360.  Sure for now the novelty of mini-games and cooking sims are neat, but in 2 years what will people be playing? Wario Ware Smooth Moves 4? Mama Cook-Off Sushi Edition?

Playing it will get boring, the increase of HDTV's will make the 480p limit of the system start to show and the paltry online implementation will really hinder the system. The Wii is like a SmartCar, you appreciate the effort but you can't function properly without another, bigger car to handle all of the other things you want to get done.

Large_Soda

http://money.cnn.com/2007/04/27/magazines/business2/sony_playstation.biz2/

 I may be wrong- but the man writing this article seems very biased. He's convinced that the PS3 has already lost this console war.

NazzyQ

He's just stating the facts. Ken made some blundered moves and is paying the price. Ken made the PS3 to benefit Sony more then the gamers. That was the main reason for sticking the Blu-Ray player into the PS3. They were thinking more about Blu-Ray exposure and the format, then how it would work as a gaming format. Oh well. We'll see how all this turns out in 2-3yrs from now.

Most analysts are misinformed when it comes to the game industry. The only people that actually know the game industry are the gamers. i'm really sick of the people that write articles or battle the game industry knowing diddly squat about it.SirRaven

I think most gamers "think" they know about the gaming industry, but most of them don't know what the hell they are talking about. As someone who has worked in the industry and spoken to many, many gamers and developers, I can say this to be true. A lot of what he says is true, but he's also very opinionated. He has his own opinions too, which is just that; and nothing more.

Another thread where you pester us, Junior.Caduceus06

Poor kid is so jealous of us.