Anyone else think that MW3 is going to b e much better than MW2?Th

The gameplay and trailer looks like its going to go back to a COD 4 feel. Obviously I dont know this, but im judging by what i saw. IT also seems like the story is going to finally make much more sence. I wasnt a huge fan of MW2 but i was a huge fan of COD 4 and i really hope this one turns out good.

the single player looks great, the one thing i want them to make sure they dont screw up is the multiplayer, stuff like the Nuke, akimbo shotguns, quick scoping, stuff like that, that made MW2's multiplayer like garbage, i hope they dont put into MW3, like somewhat Black Ops multiplayer, but not completely the same, but in that direction

If by "better" you mean more of the same then yes, there's gonna be a LOT of "better" in this game.

They need to...

Use the hit detection from MW2 (miles better than Black Ops and a clear step up from WaW and MW).

Keep the art style of MW2.

Give us more gun variety... we don't need 12 assault rifles that are nearly the same, besides 4 or 5.

GET DEDICATED SERVERS. It's ridiculous that the best selling video game franchise of all time, which is so heavily rooted in its multiplayer features does not have dedicated servers for the millions, and millions, and millions, and millions of people who play these games. This won't happen because Activision is cheap/lazy, but it would truly make the CoD series 2x better, and MUCH more enjoyable. Imagine matches not dropping, no host migrations that lag on for a minute only to kick you, no advantage given to the host/whoever connects to the host the best, and vastly better hit detection. CoD would be much, much better online.

Create better perk balance. Instead of being lazy, give perks a counter. Example: Stopping power and Jugg... Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it. Ghost and Flak Jacket need counters as well. Scavanger and Hardline don't really give you an advantage in a gunfight (Hardline doesn't at all, and Scav doesn't directly I guess), so leave them be if you bring them back. But things like Ghost, Flak Jacket, Stopping Power, Danger Close, Jugg, etc... that give a clear boost to your character in a matchup need to have the potential to be countered (ie, there needs to be a perk in existence that can counter each of them). There are perks like SoH or Steady Aim that I wouldn't expect to be countered because they would have to do something outlandish for that to happen.

Create better gun balance. Black Ops has quite good gun balance now that several patches have been released, but there are still clearly guns there are more advantageous to use than others. The Famas outclasses the other Assault Rifles and the 74u outclasses the other SMGs. The LMGs are balanced well, as well as the snipers, but then again, there are only 4 of each, and they aren't used as much as the otherweapon classes, so even if they had balance problems, it wouldn't do much to hurt the multiplayer.

Better map variety. MW2 felt like it was always pushing you to close-quarters situations and stuffy gunfights. Give us more "Large" maps and don't pack EVERY medium-sized map to the brim with houses and what not.

... If they want this to be better than MW2 or BO.

Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it.

elpooz

I thought juggernaut countered it.

Even though I'm a fan of the MW series, I'm just looking at MW3 as a slightly updated version...I'm cool with it though. Any fan looking for anything more will surely get thier feelings hurt.

[QUOTE="elpooz"]

Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it.

Loegi

I thought juggernaut countered it.

Juggernautis a crap shoot, I took plenty of people down who where using it.

[QUOTE="elpooz"]

Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it.

Loegi

I thought juggernaut countered it.

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

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[QUOTE="elpooz"]

Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it.

elpooz

I thought juggernaut countered it.

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

Painkiller IMO is another form of juggernaut.

They also need to make it so that perks that counter other perks actuallyCOUNTER them. Juggernaut in WaW and MW did not counter Stopping Power fully, half of the time Jugg failed to boost your health enough to counter the extra damage Stopping Power added to your opponents bullets.

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[QUOTE="Loegi"]

I thought juggernaut countered it.

MarcRecon

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

Painkiller IMO is another form of juggernaut.

Still not a perk... not even close. You get it after a 3 deathstreak (or 2 with Hardline I think) and it only lasts for 10 seconds...

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[QUOTE="elpooz"]

Stopping power was overly popular, overly used and simply overpowered in its perk tier in MW2 because nothing could counter it.

elpooz

I thought juggernaut countered it.

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

Yeah, I was just checking the wiki (never played MW2).

WTH, that's just stupid!

EDIT: According to the wiki, stopping power gave a 40% boost to bullet damage and juggernaut a 25% defense boost to bullet damage.
Yet it also says they cancel each other out. I'm confuzzled.

[QUOTE="elpooz"]

[QUOTE="Loegi"]

I thought juggernaut countered it.

MarcRecon

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

Painkiller IMO is another form of juggernaut.

i was just going to say that, but it wears off so fast it's like you didnt even notice you had it

The gameplay and trailer looks like its going to go back to a COD 4 feel. Obviously I dont know this, but im judging by what i saw. IT also seems like the story is going to finally make much more sence. I wasnt a huge fan of MW2 but i was a huge fan of COD 4 and i really hope this one turns out good.

scouttrooperbob

It depended on the ranges you were shooting from in those games, Loegi. The farther away you are from a target, the lower your gun's base damage is, and the closer you are, the higher it is. So at close range, Jugg did not stand up to Stopping Power. At medium-long range it countered it much better. This is why Silencers/Suppressors make you guns feel weaker... by decreasing your range, they make your base damage lower at distances, so they actually do make your guns weaker, even though in BO, for example, it only says that the suppressor is lowering your gun's range.

Even though I'm a fan of the MW series, I'm just looking at MW3 as a slightly updated version...I'm cool with it though. Any fan looking for anything more will surely get thier feelings hurt.

MarcRecon

This pretty much. From what I hear theres gonna be dedicated servers and more customization options. I like MW2, so if MW3 can feel like that, I'm good with it.

[QUOTE="scouttrooperbob"]

The gameplay and trailer looks like its going to go back to a COD 4 feel. Obviously I dont know this, but im judging by what i saw. IT also seems like the story is going to finally make much more sence. I wasnt a huge fan of MW2 but i was a huge fan of COD 4 and i really hope this one turns out good.

Papadrach

Call of duty 4 campain was more realistic. Your allies directed you to vantage points and silencedweapons. I dont know you didnt feel as random everything made sence. MW2 just gave you a gun and said kill everyone.

Don't know. MW2 is pretty good. Story might be absurd but it's a solid campaign and shooter in general. MW3 might deliver but hey who knows.

I'm ready for MW3. Black Ops was good and was much more balanced, but I just don't enjoy past settings as much as the modern one. Definitely looking forward to the multiplayer though, singleplayer will probably be a mess story-wise as usual but I don't think anyone buys COD for the campaign alone so that won't matter much.

I loved MW2 and can't wait for this one. Black Ops just does nothing for me. It feels completely different than MW2. Obviously they are set in different time periods with different weapons, but the aiming feels different none-the-less. Ghost_702

[QUOTE="Ghost_702"]I loved MW2 and can't wait for this one. Black Ops just does nothing for me. It feels completely different than MW2. Obviously they are set in different time periods with different weapons, but the aiming feels different none-the-less. slvrraven9

I think black ops is much better game, but MW2 is way more fun. If that makes sense

If by "better" you mean more of the same then yes, there's gonna be a LOT of "better" in this game.

jer_1

[QUOTE="Papadrach"][QUOTE="scouttrooperbob"]

The gameplay and trailer looks like its going to go back to a COD 4 feel. Obviously I dont know this, but im judging by what i saw. IT also seems like the story is going to finally make much more sence. I wasnt a huge fan of MW2 but i was a huge fan of COD 4 and i really hope this one turns out good.

scouttrooperbob

Call of duty 4 campain was more realistic. Your allies directed you to vantage points and silencedweapons. I dont know you didnt feel as random everything made sence. MW2 just gave you a gun and said kill everyone.

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[QUOTE="Papadrach"]How can you tell it looks like its going back to CoD4 style? I really couldn't see anything that would make it so.Papadrach

Call of duty 4 campain was more realistic. Your allies directed you to vantage points and silencedweapons. I dont know you didnt feel as random everything made sence. MW2 just gave you a gun and said kill everyone.

Well call of duty 4 was better. Much better character developement, much better story in general. The actual waypoints in the game brought you to points on the map that made sense. MW2 literally just took you strait every time. MW2 was also really easy on veteran when Cod 4 was pretty hard. Cod 4 was also way more realistic than MW2... (Im not saying that a sniper taking on over 100 guards was realistic but hey they made it believable)

[QUOTE="jer_1"]

If by "better" you mean more of the same then yes, there's gonna be a LOT of "better" in this game.

CobraKai83

well they have somthing working for them. There not just going to strait up change everything when they got somthing working for them. Hopefully they will add some more gametypes online and be balanced yet alot of fun. To be honest I dont think Battlefield bad company2 was that much different than Battlefield bacompany 1.

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[QUOTE="jer_1"]

If by "better" you mean more of the same then yes, there's gonna be a LOT of "better" in this game.

scouttrooperbob

well they have somthing working for them. There not just going to strait up change everything when they got somthing working for them. Hopefully they will add some more gametypes online and be balanced yet alot of fun. To be honest I dont think Battlefield bad company2 was that much different than Battlefield bacompany 1.

It can't be that much worse than MW2.

Of course it'll be better. Judging by the short gameplay demo, they have improved in lighting, texture, and animations; which is good since MW2 had horrible animations.

I'm assuming stopping power will become a team perk which makes sense. No nuke will return some teamwork back into the series and hopefully they will use dedicated servers. If not, R.I.P Call of Duty, go join Tom Clancy and Socom.

year after year everyone thinks this'll be great and for 1 reason or another it just turns out to be crap

year after year everyone thinks this'll be great and for 1 reason or another it just turns out to be crap

fsurb28

opinions opinions :roll:

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[QUOTE="CobraKai83"]THIS...i'll borrow it to play through the campaign but that'll only take 3 hrs or so and then back to BF3

Papadrach

well they have somthing working for them. There not just going to strait up change everything when they got somthing working for them. Hopefully they will add some more gametypes online and be balanced yet alot of fun. To be honest I dont think Battlefield bad company2 was that much different than Battlefield bacompany 1.

Well this sure proved what i said being false...

Of course it'll be better. Judging by the short gameplay demo, they have improved in lighting, texture, and animations; which is good since MW2 had horrible animations.

I'm assuming stopping power will become a team perk which makes sense. No nuke will return some teamwork back into the series and hopefully they will use dedicated servers. If not, R.I.P Call of Duty, go join Tom Clancy and Socom.

DevilishStyles

I play alot of tom clacy games and im playing socom right this second. I have to admit they are better shooters. But i do enjoy COD with friends

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[QUOTE="Loegi"]

I thought juggernaut countered it.

Loegi

There was no juggernaut in MW2. Only MW and WaW.

Yeah, I was just checking the wiki (never played MW2).

WTH, that's just stupid!

EDIT: According to the wiki, stopping power gave a 40% boost to bullet damage and juggernaut a 25% defense boost to bullet damage.
Yet it also says they cancel each other out. I'm confuzzled.

If you multiply 140% and 75% you get 105%. The advantage is still slightly to stopping power, but close to cancelling each other out.