Are 6ms response time enough to play any game on ps3 on an HDTV?

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#1 alucardio
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So when does that "shadow" effect dissapears
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#2 GARRYTH
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explain a little better. what are you talking about. what do you mean response time. what is 6ms. is that min.
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#3 alucardio
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Response time is measured on ms (milliseconds). I think it means that it takes the pixels on the screen 6 milliseconds to change their color. So, as they change faster, you don't get some sort of "lag" effect on your image (called shadow effect or something)
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#4 GARRYTH
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Response time is measured on ms (milliseconds). I think it means that it takes the pixels on the screen 6 milliseconds to change their color. So, as they change faster, you don't get some sort of "lag" effect on your image (called shadow effect or something)alucardio
i get it but how do you find that out because i like to now what my hdtv does. is it in the manual or something. does it really make differance when playing a movie or a game. do you see this with the naked eye. i think it would be fine because it will look normal when you play the game. your not going to be like that lighting should of happen 6 milsec. before i walk into the light. lol i hope were on the same page here is this what you mean.
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#5 alucardio
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The specifications of your tv should give you that information. Google it and you'll find it for sure. And yes, from what i heard it definitively shows with your naked eye
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#6 Christoffer112
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6ms is good 5 is recomended so go for it mate
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#7 jechts
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6ms sounds fine, i believe my hdtv has a refresh rate of 8ms and i never notice anything, which hdtv in particular are you lookin at?
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#8 RahKayne
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6ms is good.

Mine is 6ms or maybe 8ms and it doesn't have streaking

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#9 SWE_Dude
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6ms will be enough for your gaming needs.

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#10 alucardio
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6ms will be enough for your gaming needs.

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What about fast paced movies?

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#11 SWE_Dude
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[QUOTE="SWE_Dude"]

6ms will be enough for your gaming needs.

alucardio

What about fast paced movies?

won't be a problem either..

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#12 ajefferism
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anything below 8-10 ms response time is good for 60fps games... you should have no problems
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#13 ajefferism
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Movies are only around 24-30fps so this won't be an issue, its only the games that are in the 60fps range where you see blurring. Also this blurring is only an issue with LCD based TVs. CRT and Plasma TVs are fine no matter what.
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#14 playstation_wii
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So when does that "shadow" effect dissapearsalucardio
yes that is plenty fast
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#15 zeforgotten
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Try counting 6ms. there you go. it's pure logic, OF COURSE it's good. ..

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#16 AuthenticM
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Is it 6ms gray-to-gray or black-to-white?
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#17 Lach0121
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Is it 6ms gray-to-gray or black-to-white?AuthenticM

the sharp aqous are black to white i believe but i dont know if thats the brand the TC is takling about.

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#18 Squall_Griver
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Ya cant even count to 6ms!
Too quick!
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#19 calandbolg
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Try to get a Tv with 100/120 Hertz refresh rate if you can.
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#20 azimiballer
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that looks ok
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#21 Lach0121
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Try to get a Tv with 100/120 Hertz refresh rate if you can.calandbolg

yeah but those are freaking expensive...

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#22 954LatinoThug
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damn right but its kinda worth it because my hdtv has that ghosting problem and it bugs the hell out of me.
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#23 alucardio
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damn right but its kinda worth it because my hdtv has that ghosting problem and it bugs the hell out of me.954LatinoThug

what is your tv response time?

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#24 954LatinoThug
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its got an 8ms (should be enough), its a Sony KLV-S32A10 i bought it almost 2 years ago so its understandable why it happens because the technology has improved since then.
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#25 alucardio
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its got an 8ms (should be enough), its a Sony KLV-S32A10 i bought it almost 2 years ago so its understandable why it happens because the technology has improved since then.954LatinoThug

see? then you have people that say "oh, you can't count 8ms", but here you go, you can tell the diference

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#26 gizmo_logix
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So when does that "shadow" effect dissapearsalucardio
4 is best. 6 is good and even is 8. There are other factors that improve smoothness and that's 120Mhz refresh rates from the newer HDTVs. I have not seen 2ms yet.
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#27 pearceshea
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Games are generally close to twice the frame rate of movies (movies range from arounf the mid 20s to the early 30s... which is the fastest a human being can process a frame change properly... slower than that and you see image "lag"; games are usually 60fps....)

I always found this interesting, especially when it comes to things like emulation... FFX can be emulated on a dual-processor but at 30fps... which one would think was good, but given that we're talking about 50% the speed of the game as it would normally be...

And just check out the TV at a store or something; it's what I did. I find that it's impossible to notice anything below 10ms without staring, inches from the screen.

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#28 DataDream
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6ms is a very fast response time for LCD. If you look SUPER closely you may still notice some motion blur on any current LCD. One day LCD will catch up to Plasma and have a less than 1ms response time - but until then...

6ms is very quick.

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#29 Xb0Xer
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the one i'm getting is 4ms... so hopefully the Frequancy is high enough i should check it out
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#30 xtn702
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6ms is good indeed
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#31 moshakirby
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To be honest you can't really tell from the response times that the company gives you.
The companies list a Grey 2 Grey (G2g) response time which is...well useless really unless you're going to be playing in black and white.
Of course monitors with lower G2G response times will have a lower response time for color images so you will often be pretty safe buying the lowest G2G out there, but I reccomend looking at a review for the HDTV/monitor you are looking at buying and seeing what they say about ghosting and the response time.

When I bought my monitor I read a review where they compared the response time with a DELL of equal response time and other similair specs, the dell performed a lot better with fast moving images than the SM205BW did and I really do notice the ghosting in games...I miss CRTs
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#32 alucardio
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do you know any good site that specializes on hdtv reviews?
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#33 DoggySpew
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I don't know if this intirelly correct, but you can calculate it.

6ms response time, so how many parts of 6ms can be put in 1 whole second ? 1000/6 = 166.7 times. Now, take it that 6 ms is the response time for a pixel to change to one colour, it actually would take twice as long forpixel to change from one colour to the other, so that 166.7 must be divided by 2 = 83.3 fps . Well enough I would say.

So anything above 10 milliseconds is no good.