Those two games are extremely difficult to master and very intimidating through most of the learning curve (which is steep as hell). I do consider mastering those titles a modern definition of being a hardcore gamer !
What do you think ? Which games should be added to that kind of list ? (only titles that will make your teeth grind ]:-> and occasionally make you cry or scream in rage after you lost being slammed with 3 rockets in a row 2 meters before the finish line after 5 minutes of fighting for the 1st place :P )
i disagree with the wipeout part. Its playable and fun, even if you dont win the race everytime.
want hardcore? my vote goes to warhawk.
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2nd that. Never played Wipeout, but Bionic Commando only takes an hour or two to master really. Not an extremely difficult game, although the last level is a huge pain in the ass.
Well I wouldn't call it exactly retro, its not about that. But there is a LOT of modern games that I go through like a breeze even on a high difficulty settings, I don't say its no fun, its just that I haven't really ground my teeth on any game for quite a while now ...
And I cant finish one race in the 2nd round in Wipeout HD, geez, it was a long time since I was struggling with a game that much. Not to mention getting all golds, which is really tough.
The learning curve of BIONIC commando was about 3h (although I played the original for a long time when I was a kid) but it was 3 h of frustration and screaming NOOOOOOOO : )
I know its a PS3 part of the forum but I just remembered having similar experience with Halo3 on higher difficulty settings. Some parts where almost unplayable.
ps. and I'm talking only about core single player portions of the games, almost every game is hardcore when you play with a pro online.
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