Blame GeoHotz (George Hotz) for Firmware 3.21

It's good to see I'm not the only one completely against this guy and what he's doing - he's clearly pretty talented; why can't he put his skills towards something productive? king_bobo

And he blamed Sony for it, not even apologising himself. He can't even realise that because of his hack (which produced no positive results of course) the PS3 loses a feature. He has a twitter feed so I told him that myself. I'm a bit angry lolBonsaiMet

[QUOTE="BonsaiMet"]And he blamed Sony for it, not even apologising himself. He can't even realise that because of his hack (which produced no positive results of course) the PS3 loses a feature. He has a twitter feed so I told him that myself. I'm a bit angry lolparadigm68

Link?

http://twitter.com/geohot

His photo kind of makes me want to punch my laptop. It's guys like him who drove the PSP into the ground. :evil:

I'm truly dissapointed by this downgrade of one of the best features of my PS3 but I understand how Sony need to protect the system.

I have Ubunty 9.10 Karmic Koala on my PS3 and it runs very well when you move the Swap from disk to the /dev/ps3vram partition.
I have my eMail, internet messaging, Firefox browsing and media player with VLC installed in this environment and, with some
OpenOffice and the tiny AbiWord word processor, this could be a nice personal computer. I even edited my excel spreadsheets using
OpenOffice.

This is a feature I will really miss but if I have to sacrifice my PS3 to piracy over my Linux, I will choose my PS3 security.

I'm formatting an external HDD rght now to make a giant backup of my PS3 partition so I can reformat my PS3 and remove
my Other OS partition. Then I will restore my backup and update the firmware.

It is very sad but, as I said before, the PS3 security is the priority.

F.

How can anyone even hack it?

this post is so much fail

For those of you who are really pissed at firmware 3.21 which removes install other os (Things like Linux and stuff) you can blame a hacker called GeoHotz not sony.GeoHotz is a hacker and he has hacked the i-phone and very close to hacking the ps3 so sony were forced to remove other os to protect themselves from future piracy,custom firmware ect.The update is out 1st April (PS Store Update Day In Europe).fusionhunter

No, I blame Sony. They're the ones who decided to combat potential piracy by screwing over paying customers.

Hell dude, one should NEVER expect a gaming console to be immune to piracy. That doesn't happen. People have been pirating DVDs and CDs practically since they existed, and they're gonna beat Blu-Ray as well. That doesn't justify a record company releasing an album that has breakable copy protection which prohibits me from even ripping the disc that I bought in order to listen to on my computer's media player. That is the kind of **** that doesn't help. The people who want to pirate will break the anti-piracy attempts, while it's paying customers like me who get screwed.

No. When I buy an album and find out that it has that level of copy protection, I stop buying **** from that record company. Because the piracy is still going to happen, but the only ones who get hurt are the ones who DON'T pirate.

Same thing here...piracy on the PS3 was bound to happen, but not all PS3 buyers are going to pirate. Same way that not all CD or DVD buyers pirate. Either accept the risk of piracy or don't include the feature in the first place. But screwing over paying customers shouldn't be an option. The only reason Sony is doing this is because the "hack" involved the use of a feature that few people use, and Sony decided that it was worth it to completely **** a certain percentage of its customers.

But I guarantee that Sony isn't going to do a damn thing to make things right for the people who get screwed. Those people are a small enough minority that Sony is just going to say, "well, **** 'em. We don't need 'em."

That's exactly confirmed when PS3 owners hear about this, and then shrug their shoulders saying "why should I care? It's not like I use a PS3 for Linux."

Here's what that says...that says that Sony can seriously **** over their buyers as long as the MAJORITY of buyers don't get ****ed. The majority of buyers don't care about ****ed up business practices as long as they aren't the ones being hurt, which is exactly why Sony WILL keep on doing this kind of **** in the future.

Music/games/movies are sort of a weird little animal, in that consumers have repeatedly shown a willingness to put up with some ****ed up **** that they wouldn't tolerate in any other scenario. If a car company sold a car and then disabled a safety feature in 1% of the cars that they sold, EVERYONE would be ****ing a brick. Not just the tiny percentage of people who end up having that safety feature disabled. If you bought a cell phone and suddenly you had to disable the camera in order to keep on using text messages, wouldn't you be pissed off? Wouldn't you think that's messed up, even if you weren't personally affected? Wouldn't you expect the cell phone maker to fix the problem at their OWN expense, instead of punishing the people who actually thought that cell phone was good enough to buy?

Seriously, how often have the people here EVER bought a product with a certain feature, only how the company to remove that feature from the product that you already bought? This kind of **** pretty much ONLY happens with digital entertainment media, and that's because this is the one area in which consumers are completely and 100% willing to let people royally **** them in a back alley. People put up with SO much crap, and don't give a flying **** except in the rare cases in which it PERSONALLY affects them. And that's precisely why companies keep on doing the same ****.

Make no mistake...Sony WILL get away with this. Because the only people who care ARE the ones who are personally afected. And even among the small percentage of people affected, Sony knows that a significant percentage of them will whine and complain, but they'll still support Sony. They'll gobble up a big **** sandwich and then complain about the taste, but they'll forget about it when the PS4 comes out and end up buying another **** sandwich.

The videogame industry is one of the few areas in which consumers voluntarily put up with **** that has no business existing. Gamers put up with **** that NO ONE LIKES, that **** is NOT getting changed, since consumers are willing to eat that ****, and I ****ing guarantee that Sony is 100% aware of this. That's why this stuff WILL happen again, that's why Sony is going to emerge from this completely unscathed, and that's why videogames are generally garbage.

Alright some of you need to get some things straight.

1. Geohotz isn't for priracy of any kind, he just wanted to allow users to get the most out of their systems.

2. He did apologize, he's sorry that this happened and did weigh the possibilities of this happening before hand.

He's really not a bad guy and is trying to fix what he's don't threw a CFW, although that might not be the best thing to do, it is a start.

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support. My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim(not for technical reasons; I believe it only existed in the first place to promote the Cell for IBM) The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? Not like anything else has(or probably will be) done on the PS3.

Now you go and remove a feature that people expected to be included with the expensive device they purchased, citing "security concerns". What security concerns? It's not like the exploit can be run even close to without the users knowledge. You have to open the ****ing thing up. How could this harm users? Your blog post doesn't list positive reasons for upgrading like I think most users expect. Instead it lists things you will lose if you don't upgrade. Seriously?

The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout it's life cycle. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field.

Again I'm sorry users. Sony, I expected more from you.

Link

GeoHotz

[QUOTE="RedruM_I"]I blame Sony primarily. When your product is hacked you are supposed to make it better not make it worse. This is Sony punishing people who actually use the feature in a good, honest way. Anyways, for all those of you who want to keep the otheros feature and the ability to play online Geohotz, the hacker behing the original PS3 hack, posted in his blog that he is going to look for a way to install the firmware update without disabling the otheros feature. So if that feature is important for you have a little patience and DON'T update until that guy figures out how to do it. I know I won't be upgrading anytime soon.BonsaiMet

Sony makes a game console which plays games. They should EXPECT that to get hacked, and should be able to incorporate that into their business model without stripping away the features of the console that honest people paid to use.

You can also expect money to be counterfeited, but that doesn't mean that the federal government arrests anyone who buys a scanning machine.

This **** is going to happen, ALWAYS. People pirated PSP games, but I still see people making new PSP games. PSP games are still being sold on store shelves, which means that Sony is still making money off of them. People pirated PS2 and Playstation games as well, but those consoles seemed to be pretty successful.

The pirates will win. No matter what you do to keep piracy from happening, it's almost guaranteed that someone WILL break your system if there's an incentive to do so. People who commit piracy should absolutely be prosecuted, but it's going to happen. If you're in an industry subject to piracy and you can't survive without screwing over honest customers, then you've already failed. Supposedly this feature is being disabled because it could lead to piracy. Hell, it probably WILL lead to piracy. But someone could shoot the POTUSA with a revolver, but that doesn't mean that people who already bought revolvers should have their guns taken away. This is like buying a fully legal rifle, the president then getting shot, and then the government coming and modifying your rifle so that it only shoots BBs. Actually...no...that analogy isn't even fair. That would only work if it was the federal government who manufactured and sold you the gun in the first place.

Bottom line is that when I get sold something, I expect it to work as promised. Don't sell me a product on a given feature, and then take away that feature later because there's a potential for people to misuse the product. I'M not misusing the product, so you can take that **** and send it straight to Hell. Either go after the people who ARE misusing the product, find a solution to the problem that doesn't only hurt the people who AREN'T misusing the product, or don't include that feature in the product at all. They should EXPECT piracy and be able to accomodate that in their business model without depriving HONEST people of features that they paid money to use. It's not as if piracy is a new thing, people have been dealing with it for a hell of a long time. If THIS is how Sony solves the problem of piracy, then **** Them.

Hardly anyone uses it... it sucks for those that do, but don't blame sony, blame the a-hole hackers... Sony knows how big piracy got and still is on the 360 and even Wii, its not there fault they have to take drastic measures to stop people from illegally pirating their games..PoisoN_Facecam0

The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout it's life cycle. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field.

GeoHotz

I don't know if the PS3 is the ONLY product in which this happens, but he is absolutely right in that it is exceedingly rare for this to happen. Because in any other circumstance than games/movies/music, this kind of thing would be absolutely UNTHINKABLE.

Yes, it's one thing if Sony were to remove features from consoles that haven't yet been built/shipped. Removing features from the PS3 that were present in earlier models? Disappointing, but I see nothing inherently wrong with that.

However, it is COMPLETELY different when you sell people a machine that does X, Y, and Z, and then remove the ability of those machines to do Z even in the machines which have already been purchased.

How many people used this feature of the PS3? I admit, probably not many. How many PS3 users is this directly affecting? Again, probably not many.

But it's at least fair to say that some of that small percentage of people affected decided to go with a PS3 instead of the competition in small part because of such an obscure feature that few really care about. Honest consumers, not pirates. These people later find out that Sony is TREATING them as pirates, and disabling features of a console that they already bought.

There is EVERY reason for consumers in general to take a stand against this kind of ****. This is some insidious ****, and it will keep on happening as long as consumers say "meh, what do I care, it doesn't affect me."

[QUOTE="PoisoN_Facecam0"]Hardly anyone uses it... it sucks for those that do, but don't blame sony, blame the a-hole hackers... Sony knows how big piracy got and still is on the 360 and even Wii, its not there fault they have to take drastic measures to stop people from illegally pirating their games..DragoonSaber

[QUOTE="DragoonSaber"][QUOTE="PoisoN_Facecam0"]Hardly anyone uses it... it sucks for those that do, but don't blame sony, blame the a-hole hackers... Sony knows how big piracy got and still is on the 360 and even Wii, its not there fault they have to take drastic measures to stop people from illegally pirating their games..PoisoN_Facecam0

It was to help gain access to other areas of the PS3 while in OtherOS, like the majority of the cell, and the use of the RSX. There's a lot of good that can come from hacking other than just pirating ;)

I don't know anybody who actually used the other OS option. Yet I remember you would hear about the CIA and stuff using dozens of PS3s for all that processing power at a good price. They probably had to use a different OS to do that sorta stuff.paradigm68

[QUOTE="paradigm68"]I don't know anybody who actually used the other OS option. Yet I remember you would hear about the CIA and stuff using dozens of PS3s for all that processing power at a good price. They probably had to use a different OS to do that sorta stuff.shani_boy101

Re-read the thread.

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support. My logic was this. OtherOS support had already been removed from the Slim(not for technical reasons; I believe it only existed in the first place to promote the Cell for IBM) The builders had apparently no intention of including it in future products. So for the purposes of openness why not release? Not like anything else has(or probably will be) done on the PS3.

Now you go and remove a feature that people expected to be included with the expensive device they purchased, citing "security concerns". What security concerns? It's not like the exploit can be run even close to without the users knowledge. You have to open the ****ing thing up. How could this harm users? Your blog post doesn't list positive reasons for upgrading like I think most users expect. Instead it lists things you will lose if you don't upgrade. Seriously?

The PlayStation 3 is the only product I know that loses features throughout it's life cycle. Software PS2 emulation, SACD playback, and OtherOS support are all just software switches you can flip. It's unbelievable you would go and flip one, not just on new boxes you are shipping, but on tens of millions already in the field.

Again I'm sorry users. Sony, I expected more from you.

Link

GeoHotz

George Hotz is a clown. He failed trying to effectively crack the PS3 security but wanting popularity they spread they "progress" hacking the PS3 kernel, even knowing that they advances were useless in terms of practical piracy.

Now PS3 will not even much more immune to piracy but also a more confined multimedia environment, due the disable of OtherOS features. This will not affect my PS3 or the 99,99% of the PS3 users, but you must not be surprised in the future is Sony or another developers as Microsoft or Nintendo will promote the mandatory constant Internet connection in their future consoles as DRM anti-piracy defense.

Blame the clown. He gain nothing, we all loss.

[QUOTE="king_bobo"]It's good to see I'm not the only one completely against this guy and what he's doing - he's clearly pretty talented; why can't he put his skills towards something productive? ktrotter11

I was actually going to install linux to my ps3 cause I got a 500gb HDD, but looks like I wont beable to do that anymore.

Perhaps it's an April Fool's thing? The update IS set to release on APRIL FIRST.

I would rather have awesome video games on the ps3 with third party devs who are doing exclusive deals with sony. I dont want them to all leave because of damn hackers. Why arent people ever happy with anything - always gotta play around with stuff!

I would rather have awesome video games on the ps3 with third party devs who are doing exclusive deals with sony. I dont want them to all leave because of damn hackers. Why arent people ever happy with anything - always gotta play around with stuff!

hotfiree

For those of you who are really pissed at firmware 3.21 which removes install other os (Things like Linux and stuff) you can blame a hacker called GeoHotz not sony.GeoHotz is a hacker and he has hacked the i-phone and very close to hacking the ps3 so sony were forced to remove other os to protect themselves from future piracy,custom firmware ect.The update is out 1st April (PS Store Update Day In Europe).fusionhunter

That's all fine and dandy but removing the other OS feature is not going to prevent custom firmware or hacks. Think about it,

I think he's smart enough to flash old firmware and flash a custom firmware which will wipeout any new removal of features firmware. Seriously, If that's what Sony is saying the reason is then that's absurd because it's not going to prevent the guy from doing anything he's currently doing.

On a side note, I don't support piracy but I do support people who want to use a product they bought and paid for in any fashion they want, and without knowledgable people or your so called criminal hackers what are we? Ignorant fools who believe a firmware update is going to prevent PS3 piracy?

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]For those of you who are really pissed at firmware 3.21 which removes install other os (Things like Linux and stuff) you can blame a hacker called GeoHotz not sony.GeoHotz is a hacker and he has hacked the i-phone and very close to hacking the ps3 so sony were forced to remove other os to protect themselves from future piracy,custom firmware ect.The update is out 1st April (PS Store Update Day In Europe).360hammer

That's all fine and dandy but removing the other OS feature is not going to prevent custom firmware or hacks. Think about it,

I think he's smart enough to flash old firmware and flash a custom firmware which will wipeout any new removal of features firmware. Seriously, If that's what Sony is saying the reason is then that's absurd because it's not going to prevent the guy from doing anything he's currently doing.

On a side note, I don't support piracy but I do support people who want to use a product they bought and paid for in any fashion they want, and without knowledgable people or your so called criminal hackers what are we? Ignorant fools who believe a firmware update is going to prevent PS3 piracy?

The worst thing Sony can do is to be lethargic on acting on these hacks. By acting on it they have proof that they tried everything in their power to stop it.

[QUOTE="paradigm68"][QUOTE="BonsaiMet"]And he blamed Sony for it, not even apologising himself. He can't even realise that because of his hack (which produced no positive results of course) the PS3 loses a feature. He has a twitter feed so I told him that myself. I'm a bit angry lolBonsaiMet

Link?

http://twitter.com/geohot

:evil:

The only one to blamee here it's Sony itself for not looking into other ways to fix this instead of removing features...

George Hotz is a clown. He failed trying to effectively crack the PS3 security but wanting popularity they spread they "progress" hacking the PS3 kernel, even knowing that they advances were useless in terms of practical piracy.

Now PS3 will not even much more immune to piracy but also a more confined multimedia environment, due the disable of OtherOS features. This will not affect my PS3 or the 99,99% of the PS3 users, but you must not be surprised in the future is Sony or another developers as Microsoft or Nintendo will promote the mandatory constant Internet connection in their future consoles as DRM anti-piracy defense.

Blame the clown. He gain nothing, we all loss.

Ondoval

As I said before, if Sony pulls this off without a huge backlash (and they WILL pull this off without a huge backlash), then that will send a message to Sony and Others that they CAN do this without causing a huge backlash. And it will keep on happening, and will keep on getting worse.

The thing is, companies are at the mercy of their customers. We're not talking about a company which has a monopoly on something VITAL like cooking oil. They want to maximize profits as much as possible and within the bounds of the law, and they do not care about their customers except to the point at which their customers stop giving them money.

That's the thing about this. People act like this is just some **** which they have to accept, which is a load of horse****. We're talking about a company which makes non-necessary consumer electronic luxuries. At what point did consumers get the ass-backwards idea that they don't have a choice and that they are FORCED to live with this kind of precedent? Sony does not decide what we have to accept, we decide what Sony does since WE are the ones buying their ****.

Hell, this isn't really so much of a precedent as another nail in a coffin that's already nearly sealed shut. It's just one more example of people letting a company get away with giving consumers less for their money, and that will continue as long as us consumers allow it to happen. Turn a blind eye and dismiss Sony's part in this, and this **** WILL keep on happening and it WILL get worse until this kind of **** results in Sony losing money. Companies get away with exactly what their customers allow to get away with. If we accept that this is bad, then I don't blame one hacker. I blame Sony for not coming up with a solution that doesn't screw over their honest customers. But mostly, I blame people who buy Sony (including myself) because WE are the reason that Sony even did this.

Make no mistake...we're talking about a feature that a VERY small percentage of PS3 owners actually use. Ask yourself this though...what if a BIG percentage of the PS3 owners actually DID use the OtherOS feature? Would Sony have pissed of a BIG percentage of their user base by cutting that feature out? Or would they have simply kept that feature and found a different solution that didn't alienate a LARGE percentage of customers?

Sony is cutting this feature out because they deem the small percentage of people who use it to be expendable. They are betting on this NOT causing a huge backlash since most PS3 users don't use that feature, and they are EXACTLY right in that PS3 customers who don't use that feature readily say "the **** do I care? I didn't use that ****."

If we accept that this is a bad thing, then GeoHotz doesn't have anything to do with it. Hackers and pirates will ALWAYS exist. Sony will NOT always exist, if Sony goes too far in pissing off legitimate buyers in order to defeat hackers and pirates. Hacking and piracy WILL outlast Sony, and Sony needs to be able to survive with the existence of hackers and piracy. Their business practices need to better account for the INEVITABILITY of people like GeoHotz, and Sony needs to find solutions that DON'T do this to honest buyers who put their faith and money into Sony. Remove a feature from consoles that haven't yet shipped? Fine. Go ahead and do that, just as long as potential buyers are warned about that feature being removed. Hell, if Sony had foreseen this problem in the first place, then they could have NEVER had the Other OS feature in ANY PS3 to begin with. But they DID include that feature in the PS3s, they DID use the existence of that feature as a marketting tool to help sell consoles, and it IS wrong to retroactively remove that feature from units already in the field simply because they're incompetent enough to not solve this problem without crippling machines that have already been purchased by loyal customers.

The people who are MOSTLY to blame are us, the consumers. Because the vast majority of us do NOT care, as long as we aren't the ones personally affected by this update. Sony KNOWS this. That's why they DID this, that's why this will keep on happening, and that's why instances of this will only keep on getting worse. WE are to blame. You, me, everyone who supports Sony from this point on, and everyone who supports Sony in general (they don't only make videogame consoles, and what's stopping them from pulling this kind of **** with their other consumer electronics?)

[QUOTE="Ondoval"]

George Hotz is a clown. He failed trying to effectively crack the PS3 security but wanting popularity they spread they "progress" hacking the PS3 kernel, even knowing that they advances were useless in terms of practical piracy.

Now PS3 will not even much more immune to piracy but also a more confined multimedia environment, due the disable of OtherOS features. This will not affect my PS3 or the 99,99% of the PS3 users, but you must not be surprised in the future is Sony or another developers as Microsoft or Nintendo will promote the mandatory constant Internet connection in their future consoles as DRM anti-piracy defense.

Blame the clown. He gain nothing, we all loss.

MrGeezer

As I said before, if Sony pulls this off without a huge backlash (and they WILL pull this off without a huge backlash), then that will send a message to Sony and Others that they CAN do this without causing a huge backlash. And it will keep on happening, and will keep on getting worse.

The thing is, companies are at the mercy of their customers. We're not talking about a company which has a monopoly on something VITAL like cooking oil. They want to maximize profits as much as possible and within the bounds of the law, and they do not care about their customers except to the point at which their customers stop giving them money.

That's the thing about this. People act like this is just some **** which they have to accept, which is a load of horse****. We're talking about a company which makes non-necessary consumer electronic luxuries. At what point did consumers get the ass-backwards idea that they don't have a choice and that they are FORCED to live with this kind of precedent? Sony does not decide what we have to accept, we decide what Sony does since WE are the ones buying their ****.

Hell, this isn't really so much of a precedent as another nail in a coffin that's already nearly sealed shut. It's just one more example of people letting a company get away with giving consumers less for their money, and that will continue as long as us consumers allow it to happen. Turn a blind eye and dismiss Sony's part in this, and this **** WILL keep on happening and it WILL get worse until this kind of **** results in Sony losing money. Companies get away with exactly what their customers allow to get away with. If we accept that this is bad, then I don't blame one hacker. I blame Sony for not coming up with a solution that doesn't screw over their honest customers. But mostly, I blame people who buy Sony (including myself) because WE are the reason that Sony even did this.

Make no mistake...we're talking about a feature that a VERY small percentage of PS3 owners actually use. Ask yourself this though...what if a BIG percentage of the PS3 owners actually DID use the OtherOS feature? Would Sony have pissed of a BIG percentage of their user base by cutting that feature out? Or would they have simply kept that feature and found a different solution that didn't alienate a LARGE percentage of customers?

Sony is cutting this feature out because they deem the small percentage of people who use it to be expendable. They are betting on this NOT causing a huge backlash since most PS3 users don't use that feature, and they are EXACTLY right in that PS3 customers who don't use that feature readily say "the **** do I care? I didn't use that ****."

If we accept that this is a bad thing, then GeoHotz doesn't have anything to do with it. Hackers and pirates will ALWAYS exist. Sony will NOT always exist, if Sony goes too far in pissing off legitimate buyers in order to defeat hackers and pirates. Hacking and piracy WILL outlast Sony, and Sony needs to be able to survive with the existence of hackers and piracy. Their business practices need to better account for the INEVITABILITY of people like GeoHotz, and Sony needs to find solutions that DON'T do this to honest buyers who put their faith and money into Sony. Remove a feature from consoles that haven't yet shipped? Fine. Go ahead and do that, just as long as potential buyers are warned about that feature being removed. Hell, if Sony had foreseen this problem in the first place, then they could have NEVER had the Other OS feature in ANY PS3 to begin with. But they DID include that feature in the PS3s, they DID use the existence of that feature as a marketting tool to help sell consoles, and it IS wrong to retroactively remove that feature from units already in the field simply because they're incompetent enough to not solve this problem without crippling machines that have already been purchased by loyal customers.

The people who are MOSTLY to blame are us, the consumers. Because the vast majority of us do NOT care, as long as we aren't the ones personally affected by this update. Sony KNOWS this. That's why they DID this, that's why this will keep on happening, and that's why instances of this will only keep on getting worse. WE are to blame. You, me, everyone who supports Sony from this point on, and everyone who supports Sony in general (they don't only make videogame consoles, and what's stopping them from pulling this kind of **** with their other consumer electronics?)

Piracy is not gonna hurt the PS3 even if it's realized. Those PS3 games are almost pushing 50GB's for one game, it'll take you forever to download from a pirate site, it'll eat up huge chunks of hard drive space so you wont be able to fit many on the hdd. The PS3's game sizes is the true defense to rapid piracy trust me. And I'm happy it's like that, because I would hate for the consoles to end up like the PC. The other console still outsells PS3 games and piracy is rampant on that console to a certain degree..so no worries people calm down. Sony wanted the other OS feature off anyways.gamer082009

People could burn them to Blu-ray disk.

[QUOTE="gamer082009"]Piracy is not gonna hurt the PS3 even if it's realized. Those PS3 games are almost pushing 50GB's for one game, it'll take you forever to download from a pirate site, it'll eat up huge chunks of hard drive space so you wont be able to fit many on the hdd. The PS3's game sizes is the true defense to rapid piracy trust me. And I'm happy it's like that, because I would hate for the consoles to end up like the PC. The other console still outsells PS3 games and piracy is rampant on that console to a certain degree..so no worries people calm down. Sony wanted the other OS feature off anyways.ASRCSR

People could burn them to Blu-ray disk.

[QUOTE="360hammer"]

[QUOTE="fusionhunter"]For those of you who are really pissed at firmware 3.21 which removes install other os (Things like Linux and stuff) you can blame a hacker called GeoHotz not sony.GeoHotz is a hacker and he has hacked the i-phone and very close to hacking the ps3 so sony were forced to remove other os to protect themselves from future piracy,custom firmware ect.The update is out 1st April (PS Store Update Day In Europe).CajunShooter

That's all fine and dandy but removing the other OS feature is not going to prevent custom firmware or hacks. Think about it,

I think he's smart enough to flash old firmware and flash a custom firmware which will wipeout any new removal of features firmware. Seriously, If that's what Sony is saying the reason is then that's absurd because it's not going to prevent the guy from doing anything he's currently doing.

On a side note, I don't support piracy but I do support people who want to use a product they bought and paid for in any fashion they want, and without knowledgable people or your so called criminal hackers what are we? Ignorant fools who believe a firmware update is going to prevent PS3 piracy?

The worst thing Sony can do is to be lethargic on acting on these hacks. By acting on it they have proof that they tried everything in their power to stop it.

If this were true Microsoft would have been in court over the first xbox. They also wouldn't have the developer support they have for the 360 which I might add has been playing backups for years.

There are plenty of people who own 2 Xbox 360s. One is Moded and one is not. IF people want to keep their own open moded PS3 then if they want to play online then they will have to buy another PS3 to play online games.

Looking at this it seems that Steam and other Digital distrubution will be the only way to play games in the future. More Game developers will fold and Nintendo who will focus on the family, the people who do not Pirate games will win.

We get what we make. And if enough people pirate and not enough people support the developers then this medium will fall. It cost Millions of dollars to make games. And when people make money makeing games they could easily LOSE all the money they made on making another game. Look at the developer Free Radical who had money from many of their past games but lost it all on 1 SINGLE GAME Haze. If people pirate or buy used gamesfor the most part then thedeveloperswill not make their investment money back. How will the devemopermake new games? most of the money will not be there as publishers and investment from other sourses will not be there. These investors want to make a profit, and unfortuinitly developers do not have the money nor would make the money if they do not get paid.