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#1 headninjadog
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I want to get a hi def tv, but I want to know if BLu Ray movies look better on a 720p tv than regular dvd's would look on a 720p tv?
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I want to get a hi def tv, but I want to know if BLu Ray movies look better on a 720p tv than regular dvd's would look on a 720p tv?headninjadog

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

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[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I want to get a hi def tv, but I want to know if BLu Ray movies look better on a 720p tv than regular dvd's would look on a 720p tv?toyoarmy

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

So, what you are saying is that I would only enjoy the benefits of Blu Ray on a 1080p TV that is HDCP standard? This gen is going to cost me a lot of money.
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#4 toyoarmy
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[QUOTE="toyoarmy"]

[QUOTE="headninjadog"]I want to get a hi def tv, but I want to know if BLu Ray movies look better on a 720p tv than regular dvd's would look on a 720p tv?headninjadog

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

So, what you are saying is that I would only enjoy the benefits of Blu Ray on a 1080p TV that is HDCP standard? This gen is going to cost me a lot of money.

Yes, when you watch blu-ray movies from PS3.

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#5 headninjadog
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Thanks for the info. I hope you were able to get a PS3 at launch.
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#6 dvdcsn
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WTF?! Wait a minute...what about all the resolutions in between?  You're saying that Blu-Ray can only output 1080p with HDMI on an HDCP supported device? What about HD-DVD? Does it support 720p?
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Blu ray outputs at what ever rez you select on the player. Do a quick search of google and you will find this.

what the 2nd poster i think was trying to say is that the only way you can output 1080p is through hdmi outputs. 

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#8 toyoarmy
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Blu ray outputs at what ever rez you select on the player. Do a quick search of google and you will find this.

what the 2nd poster i think was trying to say is that the only way you can output 1080p is through hdmi outputs. 

Vampyre_basic

Its not my words, but from Official Sony Playstation3 Technical Specifications

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications

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#9 toyoarmy
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Thanks for the info. I hope you were able to get a PS3 at launch.headninjadog

Anytime and thanks 8)

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#10 mikedmeyer
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but he wasn't asking about 1080p, he was asking about 720p. and yes, blu-ray movies look better than standard dvds on a 720p tv. That's because standard dvds are 480p.
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#11 darkface
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[QUOTE="Vampyre_basic"]

Blu ray outputs at what ever rez you select on the player. Do a quick search of google and you will find this.

what the 2nd poster i think was trying to say is that the only way you can output 1080p is through hdmi outputs. 

toyoarmy

Its not my words, but from Official Sony Playstation3 Technical Specifications

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications

Hmmm, does that mean that the PS3 cant output a 720p picture through the HDMI cables??? (in games?)

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[QUOTE="toyoarmy"][QUOTE="Vampyre_basic"]

Blu ray outputs at what ever rez you select on the player. Do a quick search of google and you will find this.

what the 2nd poster i think was trying to say is that the only way you can output 1080p is through hdmi outputs.

darkface

Its not my words, but from Official Sony Playstation3 Technical Specifications

Copy-protected Blu-ray video discs can only ouput at 1080p using an HDMI cable connnected to a device that is compatible with the HDCP standard.

http://www.us.playstation.com/PS3/About/TechnicalSpecifications

Hmmm, does that mean that the PS3 cant output a 720p picture through the HDMI cables??? (in games?)

No. It doesn't mean that. Where'd you get that idea?
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#13 hodayathink
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It means the only way you can output 1080p is with HDMI and HDCP. All the other formats don't need both.
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#14 RabbidDawg
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It seems as though some people are trying to complicate this issue.

You dont need a 1080p TV to enjoy blu-ray movies. Blu-ray movies can be viewed in 480p, 720p, and 1080i via Component, HDMI and VGA if a VGA cable is made for the PS3.

For MOVIES if you have a 1080p TV you will need an HDMI cable to view MOVIES in 1080p, even if your tv excepts 1080p, through component, you still need an HDMI cable to watch blu-ray movies in full 1080p.
The same is not for games. The games can be played in 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p via HDMI and component if your TV will accept that.

Its not that hard. All resolutions below 1080p will work with HDMI or component  (Blu-ray movies.)
1080p only viewable with HDMI (blu-ray movies)

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It seems as though some people are trying to complicate this issue.

You dont need a 1080p TV to enjoy blu-ray movies. Blu-ray movies can be viewed in 480p, 720p, and 1080i via Component, HDMI and VGA if a VGA cable is made for the PS3.

For MOVIES if you have a 1080p TV you will need an HDMI cable to view MOVIES in 1080p, even if your tv excepts 1080p, through component, you still need an HDMI cable to watch blu-ray movies in full 1080p.
The same is not for games. The games can be played in 480p, 720p, 1080i, and 1080p via HDMI and component if your TV will accept that.

Its not that hard. All resolutions below 1080p will work with HDMI or component  (Blu-ray movies.)
1080p only viewable with HDMI (blu-ray movies)

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exctualy what he said.
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#16 Morpheus09110
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I want to get a hi def tv, but I want to know if BLu Ray movies look better on a 720p tv than regular dvd's would look on a 720p tv?headninjadog
To answer your questions, yes. (only for reference not bragging) I own an Sony HDTV 1080i, not full HD1080P. It plays 720P though. It looks better and you can play blueray in 720P it down converts it and you will notice a difference. Best Picture, by a difference you will only notice if you are accustomed to a 1080P Resolution, is in Full 1080P. I would recommend (for best value) going with 720P/1080i now. 1080P will cost a lot less in another couple years.
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#17 ramey70
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Yes it will look better on a 720p.  720p are three times the resolution of DVD's which are 480p.
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#18 ronniepage588
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but he wasn't asking about 1080p, he was asking about 720p. and yes, blu-ray movies look better than standard dvds on a 720p tv. That's because standard dvds are 480p.mikedmeyer
yes, you easily answered this, everyone else started gettin into other BS, all you need to know is, DVDs run at 480p, and BDs can run at 1080p, therefore it looks waayy better on a 720p hdtv.
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#19 Marvelii
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the difference between sdtv and hdtv regardless of wether your using 720/1080i/p is HUGE! now the difference b/w the hd resolutions are not that significant, even unnoticable.
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#20 shokeyz
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which one looks better 720p or 1080i, for blu ray movies
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#21 toyoarmy
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which one looks better 720p or 1080i, for blu ray moviesshokeyz

I gave correct information for ppl, but still don't understand.

Lets say, there are 2 kids, and they're talking about picture quality.

kid 1 : what's better 320x240p or 540x360i when playing R:FoM ?

kid2 : 240p is better, 360i has more lines but its interlaced.

kid1 : ok, but I like 360i better, it has better resolution.

Now, you got the point? R:FoM doesn't even support 320x240 or 540x360. This question is originally meaningless.

You can't watch any Blu-ray movies ( most them are protected) at 720p/1080i with PS3.

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[QUOTE="shokeyz"]which one looks better 720p or 1080i, for blu ray moviestoyoarmy

I gave correct information for ppl, but still don't understand.

Lets say, there are 2 kids, and they're talking about picture quality.

kid 1 : what's better 320x240p or 540x360i when playing R:FoM ?

kid2 : 240p is better, 360i has more lines but its interlaced.

kid1 : ok, but I like 360i better, it has better resolution.

Now, you got the point? R:FoM doesn't even support 320x240 or 540x360. This question is originally meaningless.

You can't watch any Blu-ray movies ( most them are protected) at 720p/1080i with PS3.

This is simply false. If you want to watch them in 1080p you HAVE to have HDMI, and you HAVE to have a tv/monitor with HDCP. You can watch them in 720P or 1080i over component cables OR over HDMI with or without HDCP.
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WTF?! Wait a minute...what about all the resolutions in between?  You're saying that Blu-Ray can only output 1080p with HDMI on an HDCP supported device? What about HD-DVD? Does it support 720p?dvdcsn
HD DEVD supports 1080i and 720p and now 1080p
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#24 dru26
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Alot of people told me that 720 p is better for movies, and 1080i is better for sports. As for the topic, Talledaga Nights looked just as good in 720p as any broadcast tv show does in the resolution.
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#25 bigger_kel
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OK, I'm confused. Is it possible to play BD movies at 720p over HDMI w/ HDCP?
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OK, I'm confused. Is it possible to play BD movies at 720p over HDMI w/ HDCP?bigger_kel
yes. toyoarmy is misinformed.
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#27 everson_rm
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And in Games, wich look better, 1080i or 720p? Thanks!

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#28 crck
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Yes bluray movies look much better then dvds even in 720p.  toyoarmy is wrong.
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#29 svenskamerikan
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Yes bluray movies look much better then dvds even in 720p.  toyoarmy is wrong.crck
He is wrong, but so are you guys!!!! (not in regards to bluray looking better than dvd's) The PS3 will scale down to 1080i at the most - that is a FACT!. It will either output 1080p or 1080i for blu-ray movies. It will only output 720p for natively 720p games (or movies if they ever exist). With that said - most tv's especially if newer than 3 years will be able to convert the 1080i picture to 720p which is why you are watching blu-ray's at 720p.....Makes sense?
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[QUOTE="crck"]Yes bluray movies look much better then dvds even in 720p.  toyoarmy is wrong.svenskamerikan
He is wrong, but so are you guys!!!! (not in regards to bluray looking better than dvd's) The PS3 will scale down to 1080i at the most - that is a FACT!. It will either output 1080p or 1080i for blu-ray movies. It will only output 720p for natively 720p games (or movies if they ever exist). With that said - most tv's especially if newer than 3 years will be able to convert the 1080i picture to 720p which is why you are watching blu-ray's at 720p.....Makes sense?

  How does that make me wrong again?  My lcd tv is native 720p.  Am I not watching the blu-ray movie in 720p then?  I made no mention of the scaling process because I have never heard of a tv that is native 720p that cannot accept a 1080i signal.  I know some crt tvs cannot do 720p but not the other way around.  I didn't bother to mention it because it would add to the confusion for some people.
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You can't watch any Blu-ray movies ( most them are protected) at 720p/1080i with PS3.

toyoarmy

That was my understanding as well. If you don't have and HDMI connection and an HDCP tv, you WILL NOT be able to see Blu-Rays in anything hjigher than 480p. That was very disappointing.

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#32 b11051973
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Most Hollywood movies are stored on Blu-ray discs at 1080p. The PS3 can not downscale a movie to 720p. So, your 720p HDTV has to be able to accept a 1080p or 1080i signal. I'm 99.9% sure that all 720p HDTVs accept 1080i. Blu-ray movies will look A LOT better on your 720p HDTV than a DVD. I know because I have a 720p HDTV. Also, you don't need to worry about HDCP right now. Movie studios aren't using the ICT flag that down rezes movies and probably won't for a number of years.
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#33 dubbleduecer
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you are both wrong. BluRay is only displayed on 1080i or p. No 720p. You can scale and upconvert but its not going to be the same. BluRay in HD is only possible with 1080i or 1080p.. you can look that up
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#34 Radiozo
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you are both wrong. BluRay is only displayed on 1080i or p. No 720p. You can scale and upconvert but its not going to be the same. BluRay in HD is only possible with 1080i or 1080p.. you can look that updubbleduecer

Correct.  

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#35 bigger_kel
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I tried and connected my PS3 to my Dell 2407FPW via DVI-D (w/ HDCP) using an HDMI-to-DVI cable and when I set the PS3 to 720p and play a Blu-Ray movie it just gets bumped to 480p. I have an early revision of the 2407 so 1080p can't get scaled so I want 720p playback badly.
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#36 clubside
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Just another confirmation of the correct information a few people have supplied:

The PS3 can only display Blu-ray discs at 1080P, 1080i, 480P and 480i. The PS3 cannot display Blu-ray discs at 720P.

All Blu-ray media is stored at 1080P. Standard (i.e. standalone) Blu-ray players can play Blu-ray downscaled to 720P while the PS3 cannot. Most Blu-ray media exists at 24fps meaning 1080i is fine for output on 720P/1080i displays hooked to the PS3 via HDMI or Component. 1080i is 30fps making it already capable of handling the frame rate of movies. 1080i has the same resolution of 1080P (in terms of pixels) so until media is actually recorded at 60fps the 30fps of 1080i is more than fine for 24fps film.

So for the topic creator, your 720P display will most likely accept a 1080i signal. It will then take this signal and convert it to progressive at your displays native pixel resolution. Blu-ray discs will looking amazing in this setup compared to conventional DVDs. You really have nothing to worry about. And for games, 720P games will play as such, and 1080P games will scale to 1080i. Have fun!

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Some people are confused about how hd tvs that only output in 720p can output in 1080i.  If anyone bothered to read the manuel of their hdtv that isn't 1080p the maximum resoulution is 1366x768.  This means that your tv can like mines can only do 720p progressive not 1080p.  The thing is your tv can do 1080i like some older hdtvs that don't support 720p. 

In order to do this the tvs downgrade to a 540i signal then doubles it to output in 1080i.  If you think about it if the maximum resolution on most hdtvs is 1366x768 then wouldn't outputing in 1080 lines of resolution be over its limit?  The answer is doing 1080 lines progressive is over its limit but not interlaced.

From a technical standpoint 1080 is larger than 720, but 720p is better than 1080i.  The reason is because with progressive your seeing 720 lines refreshed at any give time, while with 1080i your only getting 540 lines refreshed at any give time.  Thats why most people say 720p looks better.  The thing about the ps3 it only allows blu-ray movies to output in either 1080i or 1080p, but most standalone blu-ray players allow output in any resolution from 480i to 1080p.  I assume sony could allow the ps3 to output in 720p through an update.

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[QUOTE="crck"]Yes bluray movies look much better then dvds even in 720p.  toyoarmy is wrong.svenskamerikan
He is wrong, but so are you guys!!!! (not in regards to bluray looking better than dvd's) The PS3 will scale down to 1080i at the most - that is a FACT!. It will either output 1080p or 1080i for blu-ray movies. It will only output 720p for natively 720p games (or movies if they ever exist). With that said - most tv's especially if newer than 3 years will be able to convert the 1080i picture to 720p which is why you are watching blu-ray's at 720p.....Makes sense?

This is fact, Idk what the hell the other people were talking about, Its good i have a 720p/1080i Lcd tv, From what ive seen you dont need a 1080p tv only if its bigger than 50inches and close enough to you.