Blu-Ray not up to par ?

Hello Guys/Gals

     I cant belive how disappointed i am with Blu-Ray. Has anyone seen stargate.....BRUTAL !!!...Go to the Scene were Ra is waring his head piece and takes it off.If you have a high Def TV  , you'll know what im talking about. Casino Royal looked good about 95% of the time but still there were parts that looked a little bit to grainy for me. Happy Feet was amazing but other then that all 6 of my movies didnt really impress me besides Happy Feet. I even called sony to ask whatl is wrong with my machine. There response was that its not the Blu-Ray that infact that its showing exactly what the camera was shooting.So let me get this straight , its not the Blu-Ray but the way they are filming?? I guess it makes sense.

Here's my setup. I have a KDL-40V2500  ..HDMI 1.20a .Resalution 1920X1080 P. My cable is a Monster h400 HDMI 1.20a .

Is anyone noticeing the same issues ???

     Im sure there are going to be a handful of fan boys out there that might not like me posting about the Blu-Ray being sub par.Im not trying to bash the PS3 or Blu-Ray...The bottom line is..if you dont reconize these issues then sony wont spend there money creating firmware up dates to fix it. All issues should be reconized and handled respectfully.  I want the PS3 and Blu-Ray to be the most sought after product on the market.  The more support we give it to help fix and better the product the more machines will be sold.  this in turn will intice companys to start making more games for the PS3 and movies. Eidos would be a perfect example of what im talking about.

Any flaw will be more noticeable in higher resolution.  Just like very old movies that used strings to hold up space ships to the original Star Wars that used laced framed boxes (that were noticeable once contrast was changed or film degraded).

You are just going to notice these things more.

There could be issues with the original film transfer but I am thinking the above is more apt to happen.

Hello Guys/Gals

I cant belive how disappointed i am with Blu-Ray. Has anyone seen stargate.....BRUTAL !!!...Go to the Scene were Ra is waring his head piece and takes it off.If you have a high Def TV , you'll know what im talking about. Casino Royal looked good about 95% of the time but still there were parts that looked a little bit to grainy for me. Happy Feet was amazing but other then that all 6 of my movies didnt really impress me besides Happy Feet. I even called sony to ask whatl is wrong with my machine. There response was that its not the Blu-Ray that infact that its showing exactly what the camera was shooting.So let me get this straight , its not the Blu-Ray but the way they are filming?? I guess it makes sense.

Here's my setup. I have a KDL-40V2500 ..HDMI 1.20a .Resalution 1920X1080 P. My cable is a Monster h400 HDMI 1.20a .

Is anyone noticeing the same issues ???

Im sure there are going to be a handful of fan boys out there that might not like me posting about the Blu-Ray being sub par.Im not trying to bash the PS3 or Blu-Ray...The bottom line is..if you dont reconize these issues then sony wont spend there money creating firmware up dates to fix it. All issues should be reconized and handled respectfully. I want the PS3 and Blu-Ray to be the most sought after product on the market. The more support we give it to help fix and better the product the more machines will be sold. this in turn will intice companys to start making more games for the PS3 and movies. Eidos would be a perfect example of what im talking about.

 

 

 

Vanine_28

Errr,  if you know the answer to why it's grainy why are you bit***** and moaning?

For example,  the movie 300 is very grainy 

I also thought blu-ray was going to be better quality that it actually was. Currently I've only scene Mission Impossible 3 and Tears of The Sun which I though both looked better than standard dvd but it wasn't exactly the "looking out a window" experience I hoped for. The problem might be that these moves weren't shot in hd originally. Tears of the Sun said "remastered in hd" on the box so they probably just touched it up but it's probably not as good as if it was shot in hd originally. I might be completely wrong but it was just a though it could be a problem.liquidgas

What tv were you using?  When did you last calibrate it? 

What is the par? Most HD-DVD players don't even have 1080p. Blu-ray, PS3, and the codecs are fully capable of playing the best 1080p video you can get. Lazy_Boy88

 Not to get in any argument, but an HD-DVD player that is 1080i cost half that of a blu-ray player besides the PS3. And it doesn't entirely matter too, 1080i60 holds the same detail as 1080p30. It might be a shock, but the PS3 and any other blu-ray player that outputs 1080p actually first converts the disc 1080p24 to 1080"i"60 then to 1080p60. The last step from 1080i to 1080p is inverse teceline, which any good 1080p tv will also do on it's own. Only exception are some of the higher end players that output 1080p24 straight from the disc, which the 1080p tv needs to be compatible with.

Early Blu-ray releases were pretty bad compared to HD-DVD. Now though, releases are top notch on both sides, with releases on both formats using the same VC-1 encoding.

Any flaws in the econding would be banding, compression, blocking, bleeding and such. The HD quality of the film depends on the source and what was intended. If a scene has grain, that's the way it was in theaters and the original source, you can't complain about blu-ray causing that, you should be more impressed how blu-ray can handle fine grain without being lossed in compression like on DVD. Some films like Monster House, being totally 3D, had digital grain added for the Blu-ray release to be more film like, disappointing some that saw the 3D version that had no grain and was razor sharp.

 Then some films just might not have been shot perfectly focused, or was an old transfer than needed better remastering. Look a Fifth Element, is with the main reference quality DVD, but on Blu-ray it's quality was nothing to be consdered ref for HD. It was so bad there's a future rerelease.

What Pioneer is doing makes blu-ray look like a joke, 500 GB disks. 8)jobano

heh lol, every episode of friends ever... on just ONE DISC!!!

NOT AL MOVIES ON BLURAY WERE SHOT USING HD CAMERAS winner-ps3

That doesn't matter, film is HD in it's self and beyond. It's just film hsa a different look so it will never look like HD digital video such as Discovery HD stuff, which I think would be too pristine of a picture for a movie in most cases. Mission Impossible 3 used both film and HD cameras, and blends togethor were you can't tell mos the time. Though, a early scene in a food stop has tons of grain, which is not a flaw of the blu-ray.

I didn't think the Sony Bravia V series supported 1080p but I could be wrong.

All BD's are not created equal. DVD's are the same way. While Casino Royale and others looks amazing, there are quite a few factors that go into what ends up on the shelf in the blu ray isle. Some can be written off as rushed/poor film to digital transfer jobs. Others can be like Casino Royale where most of it's grainy scenes are in the begining where it's black and white. The director was going for an classic raw feel in those scenes. Kinda his way of paying homage to the original Casino Royale, and when the color is added so is the sharpness and clarity. Lighting situations during filming of movies also plays a part. You should also keep in mind with HD picture any "imperfection" present in what you are viewing is going to be very apparent on your screen. InfamousM

I have to disagree. Completely. While older movies made to fit Blue-Ray may look worse than newer releases, overall I'd say the quality is unmatched. I watched American Psyco on Blue-Ray, which was decent (not many special effects as it is). A week later I watched Crank and Casino Royale on Blue-Ray and then realized the reason I bought the PS3. I was stunned. Both movies looked beyond what I thought possible.Airek49

A review for the 1938 Adventures of Robin told about a restoration process for technicolor films that resulted in a version of the film that surpassed any version before, and the release was comparable to some modern day films.

But there will be duds out there. Even on HD-DVD there have been releases that used sources that were bobbed 1080i, so they looked soft, some of those films were the Fugitive, Full Metal Jacket. But even though The Fugitive was not the sharpest HD picture, it's was remarkably film like with great detail overall with no sign or hint of compression. So despite the 1080bobbed it was way better than the DVD, which had muddy dark scenes like in the water tunels. 

Even though this is an HD race, we're still talking about films here. And these new formats will allow the them to look the best they've ever been, more film like than ever with better detail in darks scenes, better color, no compression or blocky low-res. They are not all suppose to end up like a Discovery HD quality picture.

I was more excited about older releases than new ones of these HD formats. 

     I really do hope that Sony reconizes that this is a very common problem and that alot of people are getting concerned about the future of Blu-Ray. As the Film industry changes so will the demand for better picture quality.What we all think is the Cream of the Crop to day will be outdated and sub par tommorow.The industry tells us whats the best out there in terms of quality.They release a new TV and say its the top of the line, new technolagy, so we buy it.Its a consumers world , other companys are aware of this, we want to be amazed everytime we watch a movie.We have been totaly and uterly desensatized and are standards are way to high for any company to provide us with what we want.There is going to be a few that will accepte whats put infront of them, and there will be others that will demand for more.I've relized that after stateing my consurnes about the Blu-Ray quality that i am one that wants more. Companys are waching as we fight over whats the best format. They are  biding there time ,waiting to release there devistating blow to the market. Slowly you'll see more and more companys makeing claims that they can produse a 500gig or even a 50,000gig disc that has been dubbed "the protien disc". Did anyone notice what Pentium did to AMD. pentium left them in the dust by supplying multiple versions of there chip so advanced that it made the competiton look dated and sub par.Ask yourself what would you want?

Why is this important to us as PS3 owners?

     Dont underestimate the situation by thinking that you'll accept sub par when everyone else blows by us.  Blu-Ray is grainy!! and needs to be fixed. It needed to be fixed yesterday because today they are talking about 500g disc and tomorrow will be 50,000 gig disc.

In the next few years when super HD is realesed demanding 6000X4000 lines of resolution you'll all see what i mean.Im not makeing this up they are working on it and its not that far away from being introduced to the public.Even Holographic Tvs are being created. My point to all this is that behind any good  technology there needs to be  time to perfect itself. Blu-Ray has no time.With compition at there door they cant afford to wait anylonger.The grainynes of Blu-Ray needs to be addressed now.

 In the end if its not recognized as a problem it wont be addresed.

I really do hope that Sony reconizes that this is a very common problem and that alot of people are getting concerned about the future of Blu-Ray. As the Film industry changes so will the demand for better picture quality.What we all think is the Cream of the Crop to day will be outdated and sub par tommorow.The industry tells us whats the best out there in terms of quality.They release a new TV and say its the top of the line, new technolagy, so we buy it.Its a consumers world , other companys are aware of this, we want to be amazed everytime we watch a movie.We have been totaly and uterly desensatized and are standards are way to high for any company to provide us with what we want.There is going to be a few that will accepte whats put infront of them, and there will be others that will demand for more.I've relized that after stateing my consurnes about the Blu-Ray quality that i am one that wants more. Companys are waching as we fight over whats the best format. They are biding there time ,waiting to release there devistating blow to the market. Slowly you'll see more and more companys makeing claims that they can produse a 500gig or even a 50,000gig disc that has been dubbed "the protien disc". Did anyone notice what Pentium did to AMD. pentium left them in the dust by supplying multiple versions of there chip so advanced that it made the competiton look dated and sub par.Ask yourself what would you want?

Why is this important to us as PS3 owners?

Dont underestimate the situation by thinking that you'll accept sub par when everyone else blows by us. Blu-Ray is grainy!! and needs to be fixed. It needed to be fixed yesterday because today they are talking about 500g disc and tomorrow will be 50,000 gig disc.

In the next few years when super HD is realesed demanding 6000X4000 lines of resolution you'll all see what i mean.Im not makeing this up they are working on it and its not that far away from being introduced to the public.Even Holographic Tvs are being created. My point to all this is that behind any good technology there needs to be time to perfect itself. Blu-Ray has no time.With compition at there door they cant afford to wait anylonger.The grainynes of Blu-Ray needs to be addressed now.

In the end if its not recognized as a problem it wont be addresed.

 

Vanine_28

Dude...Shutup...Not every movie is grainy...And the one's that are isn't Bluray's fault............ 50,000GB Disk?  60000x4000 resolution?  WTF? That's not even 16x9.  At least be somewhat realistic and say 5760x3240 (won't be standard in my lifetime).

Grainyness is either cuz the movie is grainy on purpose,  or cuz of MPEG2.  HD-DVD also has grainy movies ya know.. 

    Every movie besides the Digital created ones (Happy Feet/ Corpse Bride) Is grainy...

Get that through your head..Its Grainy..by avoiding the problem just hurts YOU in the end..The consumer.Dont you relize that your kicking yourself in the but. Again your underestimateing the situation.Dont think for a secound that there arent companys waiting to launch there beast out into the public with there 500GiG disc or 50,000 gig disc's. Technolagy has surpast are humanity thus rendering us submisive. you are the mediam..create it for your futer ..Or be left behind with a technolagy lacking support..or true growth.

Im on yourside guys/gals  but it's all a matter of perspective....I would like you to take the time and go read the reviews about a game called : Vaungard : saga of heros. You tell me whats happend to that game? what releaseing it in its sub par state has done to it.  Im here to fight for sony to improve its product by makeing sure its aware of the problems .I belive the next firmware update may contain something to improve this Issue.

Lets simplify the whole thread into on easy answer for this poster.

Just check the darn reviews of the HD versions at http://www.highdefdigest.com/ so you know what to expect and if it's the formats fault or the sources fault. That way you won't be caught off guard or waste $30 on a HD version that doens't meet your expectations.

Lets hope he doesn't get March of the Penguins HD. I mean how dare two guys by themselves in the coldest, most isolated, uninhabitibal place on earth not get a crystal perfect picture all the time. 

Every movie besides the Digital created ones (Happy Feet/ Corpse Bride) Is grainy...Vanine_28

Corspe bride is stop motion, puppets, it was shot with a digital camera, but that makes it no more CG than live action shot with digital (except it might have less grain since it's more controlled stills). And sometimes they add grain on purpose to 3D movies, like Monster House, to give it a more film like look.

i think it's just you on this one, sorry.Warkunt

It's definitely not just him. Many people, including me also recognize this strange "problem" blu-ray format is having. Well since I've even noticed it on HD channels playing movies but never on HD TV shows, it may not be entirely Sony's fault but they should try to fix it since it doesn't make them look good. 

Hello Guys/Gals

     I cant belive how disappointed i am with Blu-Ray. Has anyone seen stargate.....BRUTAL !!!...Go to the Scene were Ra is waring his head piece and takes it off.If you have a high Def TV  , you'll know what im talking about. Casino Royal looked good about 95% of the time but still there were parts that looked a little bit to grainy for me. Happy Feet was amazing but other then that all 6 of my movies didnt really impress me besides Happy Feet. I even called sony to ask whatl is wrong with my machine. There response was that its not the Blu-Ray that infact that its showing exactly what the camera was shooting.So let me get this straight , its not the Blu-Ray but the way they are filming?? I guess it makes sense.

Here's my setup. I have a KDL-40V2500  ..HDMI 1.20a .Resalution 1920X1080 P. My cable is a Monster h400 HDMI 1.20a .

Is anyone noticeing the same issues ???

     Im sure there are going to be a handful of fan boys out there that might not like me posting about the Blu-Ray being sub par.Im not trying to bash the PS3 or Blu-Ray...The bottom line is..if you dont reconize these issues then sony wont spend there money creating firmware up dates to fix it. All issues should be reconized and handled respectfully.  I want the PS3 and Blu-Ray to be the most sought after product on the market.  The more support we give it to help fix and better the product the more machines will be sold.  this in turn will intice companys to start making more games for the PS3 and movies. Eidos would be a perfect example of what im talking about.

 

 

 

Vanine_28

has nothing to do with blu-ray, and everyting to do with the authoring.  thats why some disc have better PQ than others. 

     I agrea with all the statements that have been made here regarding this thread.Yes, its not Blu-Ray's fault..Yes! It is the way they are filming and the transfering of the film to Disc. However , this has and will change the views of the publics eyes on what the Blu-Ray's standurd for PQ is. How many post do there have to be about people returning there PS3's. " I bought it thinking it was going to be great because i read about it on the net " . All it leads to is returns. People by the hundreds returning there PS3's because the PQ wasent what they said it would be on the forums dedicated to providing everything you need to know about Blu-Ray movies and there PQ. 

IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS THIS SITUATION IT WILL NOT BE FIXED !!!

I dont care how its done, with a firmware update that reduces the grain, or whatever it takes.The consumers dont care.They care about PQ.They dont want reasons for it to be sub par. In there eyes if it looks like a duck , sounds like a duck...ITS A  DUCK....  

     Read about the struggles Sony has trying to get more companys to release there big hit games on this unit. Why arent they makeing them???? Because theres not enough units sold. Go to your local best buy and count how many units are still there. when we can fix one aspect of the machine then we can move on to the others..First and for most the Bu-Ray. Once thats fixed and they come out with a firmware update that hopefully fixes this grain issue ,more people will post posative responces about the Blu-Ray.Then when they take it home they will keep it ,and not return it the next day cause they are mad at spending 800 on a PS3 and a Blu-Ray movie to only get a Grainy picture.

This will show to the consumers that Sony is dedicated to there loyal customers in fixing any issue ther might be.More sales will come.Companys will start to think about releasing there big hit titles on the unit. Then we can all be happy.

We all have enough time to get the ball rolling on this issue.When it comes down to it..when developers are thinking twice about launching there hit games on the unit be assured that its because us as a Sony comunity dident do are jobs do let sony be aware of what the consumers are saying and there concerns.

 One last thing. theres one game that we may all miss out on if we dont get are act together, and maybe now because its not effecting you , you might not react to it the same way till it happens.This is totaly inconclusive, but ask yourselves what you really thinks going to happen. All of you should know by now that the industry changes there mind about porting games all the time. Did you know that Age Of Conan:Hyborion adventures is supposed to come to PS3.This game is going to change everything on how we veiw MMO's. So whos supposed to port it...Eidos..Whos said they arent makeing games for the PS3 till 2008....Eidos.  SO what do you think's going to happen in 2008 if sony dosent get these issues fixed and the Blu-Ray is viewd as su par to the consumers? Whats going to happen if its looked at as not being prophitable to port a game over because of the cost of development  Vrs low console sales.?Who is going to miss out in the end? You will. You have your chance now to make a differance. This is my last post regarding this issue. i've said my peace. I know its not the PS3's fault, but the consumers do not care. They drive the market Fix it with a firmware update so i can post about how amazing Sony is. For your own futer in this market pls address this issue. add a filter to the update.

I agrea with all the statements that have been made here regarding this thread.Yes, its not Blu-Ray's fault..Yes! It is the way they are filming and the transfering of the film to Disc. However , this has and will change the views of the publics eyes on what the Blu-Ray's standurd for PQ is. How many post do there have to be about people returning there PS3's. " I bought it thinking it was going to be great because i read about it on the net " . All it leads to is returns. People by the hundreds returning there PS3's because the PQ wasent what they said it would be on the forums dedicated to providing everything you need to know about Blu-Ray movies and there PQ.

IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS THIS SITUATION IT WILL NOT BE FIXED !!!

I dont care how its done, with a firmware update that reduces the grain, or whatever it takes.The consumers dont care.They care about PQ.They dont want reasons for it to be sub par. In there eyes if it looks like a duck , sounds like a duck...ITS A DUCK....

Read about the struggles Sony has trying to get more companys to release there big hit games on this unit. Why arent they makeing them???? Because theres not enough units sold. Go to your local best buy and count how many units are still there. when we can fix one aspect of the machine then we can move on to the others..First and for most the Bu-Ray. Once thats fixed and they come out with a firmware update that hopefully fixes this grain issue ,more people will post posative responces about the Blu-Ray.Then when they take it home they will keep it ,and not return it the next day cause they are mad at spending 800 on a PS3 and a Blu-Ray movie to only get a Grainy picture.

This will show to the consumers that Sony is dedicated to there loyal customers in fixing any issue ther might be.More sales will come.Companys will start to think about releasing there big hit titles on the unit. Then we can all be happy.

We all have enough time to get the ball rolling on this issue.When it comes down to it..when developers are thinking twice about launching there hit games on the unit be assured that its because us as a Sony comunity dident do are jobs do let sony be aware of what the consumers are saying and there concerns.

One last thing. theres one game that we may all miss out on if we dont get are act together, and maybe now because its not effecting you , you might not react to it the same way till it happens.This is totaly inconclusive, but ask yourselves what you really thinks going to happen. All of you should know by now that the industry changes there mind about porting games all the time. Did you know that Age Of Conan:Hyborion adventures is supposed to come to PS3.This game is going to change everything on how we veiw MMO's. So whos supposed to port it...Eidos..Whos said they arent makeing games for the PS3 till 2008....Eidos. SO what do you think's going to happen in 2008 if sony dosent get these issues fixed and the Blu-Ray is viewd as su par to the consumers? Whats going to happen if its looked at as not being prophitable to port a game over because of the cost of development Vrs low console sales.?Who is going to miss out in the end? You will. You have your chance now to make a differance. This is my last post regarding this issue. i've said my peace. I know its not the PS3's fault, but the consumers do not care. They drive the market Fix it with a firmware update so i can post about how amazing Sony is. For your own futer in this market pls address this issue. add a filter to the update.

Vanine_28

That was a worthless post.  You should of spent you time doing something useful. 

your posts have become long strings of crying. after about 5 sentences, all i could see was "waah, waah"

I agrea with all the statements that have been made here regarding this thread.Yes, its not Blu-Ray's fault..Yes! It is the way they are filming and the transfering of the film to Disc. Vanine_28

It's not the way the transfer of the film to disc. You agree it's the way it was filmed, but then what's wrong with that. You get the best possible version of a movie ever released unless there was an obvious poor source with scratches and other things, or obvious mistake in the encoding.

However , this has and will change the views of the publics eyes on what the Blu-Ray's standurd for PQ is. How many post do there have to be about people returning there PS3's. " I bought it thinking it was going to be great because i read about it on the net " . All it leads to is returns. People by the hundreds returning there PS3's because the PQ wasent what they said it would be on the forums dedicated to providing everything you need to know about Blu-Ray movies and there PQ.

Vanine_28

I've never seen a thread like that returning a PS3 because of a blu-ray movie quality. You big grip is grain so far, but that's hardly anything compared to other releases like House of Flying Daggers that was so soft it was hardly a difference over DVD. PQ quality is going to vary from movie to movie. Who ever said every movie was going to look perfect.

IF YOU DO NOT ADDRESS THIS SITUATION IT WILL NOT BE FIXED !!!

Vanine_28

Fix what again? There's nothing to be fixed. If there is a bad release the enthusiast forums and review sites will be talking all about it to avoid it. Only issue was the first Blu-ray player that had a press release of a malfunctioning noise reducing chip to try and explain away why blu-ray movies looked so bad at first. And some movies had crazy amount of grain despite that.

I dont care how its done, with a firmware update that reduces the grain, or whatever it takes.The consumers dont care.They care about PQ.They dont want reasons for it to be sub par. In there eyes if it looks like a duck , sounds like a duck...ITS A DUCK....

Vanine_28

Reduce what grain, the grain that is SUPPOSED to be their? I don't get your point about best PQ when that's what you are getting. You can't simply reduce grain without totally removing other fine details that make HD HD. Why do you think grain suddenly means it's considered poor PQ. You act like this is there first time you've ever seen grain or something. It seems more like you are trying to dummy down the format for a silly reason which I would think would kill it.

The most I've ever seen someone complain about is when an HD movie doesn't fill their widescreen tv, they feel cheated that they paid for HD and it's not using all the screen they paid for. So those people want to chop up movies instead of keep the original aspect. Like someone wanting a fullscreen version.

Read about the struggles Sony has trying to get more companys to release there big hit games on this unit. Why arent they makeing them???? Because theres not enough units sold. Go to your local best buy and count how many units are still there. when we can fix one aspect of the machine then we can move on to the others..First and for most the Bu-Ray. Once thats fixed and they come out with a firmware update that hopefully fixes this grain issue ,more people will post posative responces about the Blu-Ray.Then when they take it home they will keep it ,and not return it the next day cause they are mad at spending 800 on a PS3 and a Blu-Ray movie to only get a Grainy picture.

Vanine_28

I seriously think you have something wrong with your setup. Either you watched a really bad movie that had tons of grain, or there is something really wrong with your setup. Do you have sharpness on your tv set to 1000% or something? THere is no problem, the grain is exactly correct and the same film on HD-DVD would be exactly the same.

This will show to the consumers that Sony is dedicated to there loyal customers in fixing any issue ther might be.More sales will come.Companys will start to think about releasing there big hit titles on the unit. Then we can all be happy.

Vanine_28

Your crazy if you think some how people are not buying PS3s because of a grain issue no one knows about or thinks it's an issue.

We all have enough time to get the ball rolling on this issue.When it comes down to it..when developers are thinking twice about launching there hit games on the unit be assured that its because us as a Sony comunity dident do are jobs do let sony be aware of what the consumers are saying and there concerns.

Vanine_28

Why would movie sales effect how developers decide to release on the PS3. Even if the movie market fails there's still pc storage and blu-ray would still be used for the pS3. They can always fall back to DVD if all else fails.

One last thing. theres one game that we may all miss out on if we dont get are act together, and maybe now because its not effecting you , you might not react to it the same way till it happens.This is totaly inconclusive, but ask yourselves what you really thinks going to happen. All of you should know by now that the industry changes there mind about porting games all the time. Did you know that Age Of Conan:Hyborion adventures is supposed to come to PS3.This game is going to change everything on how we veiw MMO's. So whos supposed to port it...Eidos..Whos said they arent makeing games for the PS3 till 2008....Eidos. SO what do you think's going to happen in 2008 if sony dosent get these issues fixed and the Blu-Ray is viewd as su par to the consumers? Whats going to happen if its looked at as not being prophitable to port a game over because of the cost of development Vrs low console sales.?Who is going to miss out in the end? You will. You have your chance now to make a differance. This is my last post regarding this issue. i've said my peace. I know its not the PS3's fault, but the consumers do not care. They drive the market Fix it with a firmware update so i can post about how amazing Sony is. For your own futer in this market pls address this issue. add a filter to the update.

Vanine_28

How can blu-ray ever be viewed as subpar for a PS3, it holds 50gigs, how will that ever be a downside. Not like the console stops working if the movies don't sale.

Seriously though, please describe this grain problem you are having. You going totally off the wall to what most of us know is normal, unless again your setup has an issue.

I will say one thing about the PS3 itself, when connected to HDMI and you get the gray loading screen I can see a fine fast grain that really should be there considering the digital connection and not even being a movie or game.

     With the recent anoncment that sony is going to stop selling the 20gig  versions people are forced to pay 699.99 plus the cost of a Blu-ray movie. thats around $ 750 - $800 dollars , assuming you get a reasonably priced HDMI cable. So is it alot of money to dish out well ...ya it is. people tend to expect alot when spending that money.

Never underestimate a persons first impression, first impressions last.

     When you walk into best buy and you see a box that says discounted price due to open box. Its discounted because someone took it home opend it , set it up and were not impressed. I've seen more and more posts everyday with the same situations. There first impressions are going to leave them disapointed , unless they buy a digitaly created Movie, then maybe there is some hope.(Maybe sony should pakage Happy Feet with it)

     Is anyone even checking the posts out there? even sony said that they are getting complaints about the PQ. If you dont belive me call them and ask.

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?p=974155

I posted it because Doom9 is a respected web site in the Comunity. But then again it is a web site so it cant be 100% trusted.

     It looks to me that Blu-Ray is in for the fight of its life. can any of you tell me whats going to be launched May 22 on Blu-Rays competion.???? and wont be coming out for Blu-Ray till ......well .:?......... who knows !! . If its dubbed better on the compation you can bet that other major motion pictures will be joining them as well. As an example Star wars for instance. Dont think for a secound lucas doesent care about quality in his pictures and you'll be surprised how much studio leverage he has.

http://www.hdtvuk.tv/2007/03/matrix_trilogy.html

Im very scared to see what thats going to create in the market. Living in a instant gratifacation world, many may jump ship that day Not willing to wait till its released on Blu-Ray.God knows im waiting for it to come out.

Most of you are thinking that by causeing a doubt and contraversy over this Blu-Ray issue will some how make it disapear.Why are you just takeing my word for it. Go and look at the posts. People are returning there PS3's because the Blu-Ray is grainy. Those who have Both formats prefure the competion over Blu-Ray because they feel its PQ is far better.

     Saying that there is no Issue with the Grainyness is insane and is selfdestructive to the PS3's futer in the market. Its up to you to make the futer bright for the PS3. these blogs are all being watched and read by people and simply saying the problem doesent exsit is just going to make the consumers even more mad . After they find out that it's all true and that there is grainynes not only will they return the unit mad and feeling betrayed, but they might even stop buying other sony products.

     Creating doudt will ultimatly leave peoples decisions to what they can see with there own 2 eyes. Im sry but , by not reconizing this issue has left me to belive that Sony's Blu-Ray fight will swing to the compation favour.

 http://www.gizmocafe.com/blogs/gizmo_cafe_blog/archive/2007/02/08/106130.aspx

P.s I refuse to say the compations name directly. its in my link. read it if you like. also the link above will give you some perspective on what the media thinks of Blu-Ray some of its advantages and disadvantages.It's a little old but offers some insite.

P.s.s I have heard that the new HDMI 1.3 will reduce this grainyness but there has only been blogs and nothing officially yet .ATM there are no T.V's that support HDMI 1.3 but they are comeing.

     I've called sony (Again) and they transfered me over to there playstation department. i cant get any comments out of them , besides people have been calling and complaining about this issue.

 May 22 is going to be D-Day for us. Every major motion company will be waching to see what happens.Debateing over if they should release there #1 hits on to High-Def. If its a bad port to Blu-Ray......i'll be very upset and it will be all down hill from there. I notice the grain is worst in darker movies and that particular set of movies are really dark.

     If you turn the sharpness down on your TV it helps with the grain, but it doesent get rid of it.Also if anyone has a sony lcd tv, under there setting go to advanced Settings, then to MPEG Noise Reduction. I Have mine set at high.This also helps, But again doesent get rid of it.

     If anyone could suggest to me What movies they Found Best on Blu-Ray that would be appreated, And no ,im not going to read it on some website thats going to give me there ideas of what good PQ is. I want it from you guys. You all sound like you know what your talking about but i want to see it with my own eyes. Im willing to go out and buy a couple more movies that you guys/gals might suggest. It may very well be just the movies i have selected but i can tell you..Stargate is NOT tier 2. Thats apart of why i dont trust the websites dedicated to Reviewing the PQ of Blu-Ray Movies.