Clover dissed by Capcom director
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Says the creator of LOST PLANET? What, are you friggin' kidding me? I played the demo for that game at Gamestop and it totally blew. Well perhaps this man who has concerned himself so greatly with the bottom line can realize that his bottom line will be affected by the people who take offense to that statement. I have no interest in any of his games from this point, especially considering how pathetic and non-inventive his recent games have become.
Clover creates better games...period. That's all I'm interested in. People of this forum, unite against this crap! I won't have some schmuck acting like videogames are cookie cutter crap with first-person alien shooter written all over it. Even if I have to believe this, it does not bode well for the industry.
Plus, this guy is not only arguing against Clover's philosophy...he is arguing against game magnates like Shigeru Miyamoto, whose primary interest is making fun, unique experiences, the practical entire Japanese game market and development community, the millions of DS and Wii owners across the globe...ugh. This is just so insulting on so many levels.
Send a message to Capcom, as this man has asked, that we're interested in games of a higher quality. And until he commits to that, he won't see a dime from me.
http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=4233
Says the creator of LOST PLANET? What, are you friggin' kidding me? I played the demo for that game at Gamestop and it totally blew. Well perhaps this man who has concerned himself so greatly with the bottom line can realize that his bottom line will be affected by the people who take offense to that statement. I have no interest in any of his games from this point, especially considering how pathetic and non-inventive his recent games have become.
Clover creates better games...period. That's all I'm interested in. People of this forum, unite against this crap! I won't have some schmuck acting like videogames are cookie cutter crap with first-person alien shooter written all over it. Even if I have to believe this, it does not bode well for the industry.
Plus, this guy is not only arguing against Clover's philosophy...he is arguing against game magnates like Shigeru Miyamoto, whose primary interest is making fun, unique experiences, the practical entire Japanese game market and development community, the millions of DS and Wii owners across the globe...ugh. This is just so insulting on so many levels.
Send a message to Capcom, as this man has asked, that we're interested in games of a higher quality. And until he commits to that, he won't see a dime from me.
Redfingers
I don't see what's wrong with that. It's just his opinion. I don't think Okami was that good anyway.
Clover/Seed till I die, I loved Capcom because of Clover and now that they disbanded Clover because they think game is not an art and It's only means for business I have no respect for Capcom anymore and I will respond to Capcom with my dollar, from now on I will not buy another Capcom game ever again. down with the faceless money grabbing giants. dancinaps
And when Devil May Cry 4 comes out??? What then?
[QUOTE="dancinaps"]Clover/Seed till I die, I loved Capcom because of Clover and now that they disbanded Clover because they think game is not an art and It's only means for business I have no respect for Capcom anymore and I will respond to Capcom with my dollar, from now on I will not buy another Capcom game ever again. down with the faceless money grabbing giants. HunAndras1984
And when Devil May Cry 4 comes out??? What then?
Don't give damn, what basically they're saying is we rather spend the money we are spending on our artists on marketing. that's a disgrace and they should be ashamed of themselves. Clover was the reason Capcom meant something to me and now I have no respect for them whatsoever. EA all over again.That exactly is whats wrong with gaming industry, people are prepared to buy sequel after sequel of a something that has already been done to death, but they find it hard to support the people who are creative. now if a game was successful, publishers would force & lore you to make some kind of spin-off just for the sake of making money. I bet publisher adore sport games, all they need to do is just change the players data and they are set to make tons of money off a same game that they published a year before. gaming industry is heading the same direction that movie industry took 10 years ago. the art of animation is being replaced by Zoo story & 2d and hand drawing is an extinct art. now you tell me there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Ryan Larkin was right in the end I guess. dancinaps
*cough* EA *cough*
[QUOTE="dancinaps"]That exactly is whats wrong with gaming industry, people are prepared to buy sequel after sequel of a something that has already been done to death, but they find it hard to support the people who are creative. now if a game was successful, publishers would force & lore you to make some kind of spin-off just for the sake of making money. I bet publisher adore sport games, all they need to do is just change the players data and they are set to make tons of money off a same game that they published a year before. gaming industry is heading the same direction that movie industry took 10 years ago. the art of animation is being replaced by Zoo story & 2d and hand drawing is an extinct art. now you tell me there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Ryan Larkin was right in the end I guess. emitsu97
*cough* EA *cough*
Spot on. and people actually defend these monstrosities with such a passion that sometimes I doubt that they care what exactly is happening to our industry. you have to live it to understand it.
What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.junk56
Humans are a violent beings. All we do is fight wars and argue. It has been like that since the dawn of time. It's in our blood...:D  that's why we like violent games.
[QUOTE="emitsu97"][QUOTE="dancinaps"]That exactly is whats wrong with gaming industry, people are prepared to buy sequel after sequel of a something that has already been done to death, but they find it hard to support the people who are creative. now if a game was successful, publishers would force & lore you to make some kind of spin-off just for the sake of making money. I bet publisher adore sport games, all they need to do is just change the players data and they are set to make tons of money off a same game that they published a year before. gaming industry is heading the same direction that movie industry took 10 years ago. the art of animation is being replaced by Zoo story & 2d and hand drawing is an extinct art. now you tell me there is nothing wrong with what they are doing. Ryan Larkin was right in the end I guess. dancinaps
*cough* EA *cough*
Spot on. and people actually defend these monstrosities with such a passion that sometimes I doubt that they care what exactly is happening to our industry. you have to live it to understand it. The problem isn't EA or Ubisoft, the problem is the people who buy those games each and every year without looking beyond what they know and not seeing what video games really have to offer. Because they're missing out on some of the greatest things on the planet. If they didn't buy them over and over, such companies would have to be more innovative with their crap.
He's not sying the games are bad, he's saying that the dev team doesn't know how to properly promote their product. onemicBingo!!! Â Okami wasn't advertised properly the same could be said about Psyconauts two great games. That were not marketed correctly and thats the reason why they weren't massive hits. They should have been even though both game were great.
What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.junk56That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.
[QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.dancinapsThat exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.HunAndras1984
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
There is no conspiracy theory here, you have every right to go out and buy anything you like. I'm not here to force my views on you, if you don't agree with my views than fair enough, but my advise to you is to go out and talk to people who work in the industry, contact Greg Costikyon or people in the know and listen to them talk, there is so much going under the surface, and we will hear about this in years to come take my word for it.[QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.dancinaps
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
There is no conspiracy theory here, you have every right to go out and buy anything you like. I'm not here to force my views on you, if you don't agree with my views than fair enough, but my advise to you is to go out and talk to people who work in the industry, contact Greg Costikyon or people in the know and listen to them talk, there is so much going under the surface, and we will hear about this in years to come take my word for it.But that's how everything works....the government, small/big businesses. It's hard to change these things. Do you think that 30-40 angry gamers will change anything?? I don't think so!
But you have all the right to express yourself, I'm doing the same!
What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.junk56Those aren't the only successful games on the 360
[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.HunAndras1984
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
There is no conspiracy theory here, you have every right to go out and buy anything you like. I'm not here to force my views on you, if you don't agree with my views than fair enough, but my advise to you is to go out and talk to people who work in the industry, contact Greg Costikyon or people in the know and listen to them talk, there is so much going under the surface, and we will hear about this in years to come take my word for it.But that's how everything works....the government, small/big businesses. It's hard to change these things. Do you think that 30-40 angry gamers will change anything?? I don't think so!
But you have all the right to express yourself, I'm doing the same!
publisher may also be saying the same thing, what can 30-40 as you delicately put it angry gamers do! they are just gamers . but we the consumers have the power to change things rather than be forced to be changed so it could suit the publishers more. everything starts with the underground movement, if gamers start supporting this little small studios and open up to new concepts than big companies will start taking notes and change the way they operate as well. its not that hard to digest the idea really.[QUOTE="HunAndras1984"][QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.dancinaps
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
There is no conspiracy theory here, you have every right to go out and buy anything you like. I'm not here to force my views on you, if you don't agree with my views than fair enough, but my advise to you is to go out and talk to people who work in the industry, contact Greg Costikyon or people in the know and listen to them talk, there is so much going under the surface, and we will hear about this in years to come take my word for it.But that's how everything works....the government, small/big businesses. It's hard to change these things. Do you think that 30-40 angry gamers will change anything?? I don't think so!
But you have all the right to express yourself, I'm doing the same!
publisher may also be saying the same thing, what can 30-40 as you delicately put it angry gamers do! they are just gamers . but we the consumers have the power to change things rather than be forced to be changed so it could suit the publishers more. everything starts with the underground movement, if gamers start supporting this little small studios and open up to new concepts than big companies will start taking notes and change the way they operate as well. its not that hard to digest the idea really.It sounds simple....but this is not how things work. Nothing is that simple. Belive me. If it was up to me than we would be playing much better games today than we are actualy playing. For instance....Sonic the Hedgehog would have never had a chance to see the day of light in that shape and form on the PS3. But all we can do is talk about these things and hope for the best. We will see. The business world is hard and cruel.
It sounds simple....but this is not how things work. Nothing is that simple. Belive me. If it was up to me than we would be playing much better games today than we are actualy playing. For instance....Sonic the Hedgehog would have never had a chance to see the day of light in that shape and form on the PS3. But all we can do is talk about these things and hope for the best. We will see. The business world is hard and cruel.HunAndras1984
This is why things don't work.
[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"][QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="HunAndras1984"]That exactly is the reason you,me or anyone who love games and care about this industry should stand up and be counted for, I don't agree with the violent part of your argument, something can be creative and in the same time mature. we don't need to make family oriented games to showoff our creative side. what I'm against is monopolizing this industry in the same way big dogs monopolized movie industry and when you monopolize something you can give the boot to creative people who wants to do things differently. I became an animator because of Ryan Larkin and his masterpiece Walking now look where he is six feet underground. the reason why Ragdoll Kung Fu or LocoRoco are so under- appreciated is that people are afraid of choosing for themselves, we tend to follow some alias site reviews and base our judgment on how well reviewers rate the game than actually try it ourselves.[QUOTE="dancinaps"][QUOTE="junk56"]What happened the the entire gaming industry now. Not supporting Hilary Clinton or anything, but nowdays games are either violent, or really violent. Gore attracts anything. Shooting, violence and killing is all that attracts gamers now. Look at the 360 for example. The ONLY successful games that come out on that system are violent. Lost Planet, Halo 3, Gears of War, Crackdown, Sant's Row, Dead Rising. You name it. There hasn't been an ounce of creativity yet to come in any of the consoles with a game that is truly unique and oustanding. Even if the wii has creative design and remote, the games that arrive on it are always mini-games, or family fun games that attract their target audience. Creativity has gone down the drain. All we can wait for now, is for another company to take the throne of clover or wait for the creators of SOTC to launch a new title. Other than that, expect only seeing shooter games and EA games topping the charts for the next few months.HunAndras1984
The movie industry is not monopolized so isin't the game industry. If something is monopolized than that's the OS software industry. One f'n company......Microsoft with Windows. That's it.....what apple has is...I don't know interesting but I wont call it a OS. Anyways. These companies EA and Capcom grew big and powerfull over the years because they had good games. I never played bad games from these companies. Resident Evil series, Onimusha series, Devil May Cry series...all from Capcom and all are great. Sports games from EA, FIFA, Battlefield series. These are great companies puting out great games. Capcom is comming out with Devil May Cry 4 and Resident Evil 5.....I'm not gonna miss out on them because you guys thing that there is a conspiracy going on here. You should just look at their point of view for once. Wheter you like it or not, this industry is business. It involws and revolws around art but it's business like anything else.
There is no conspiracy theory here, you have every right to go out and buy anything you like. I'm not here to force my views on you, if you don't agree with my views than fair enough, but my advise to you is to go out and talk to people who work in the industry, contact Greg Costikyon or people in the know and listen to them talk, there is so much going under the surface, and we will hear about this in years to come take my word for it.But that's how everything works....the government, small/big businesses. It's hard to change these things. Do you think that 30-40 angry gamers will change anything?? I don't think so!
But you have all the right to express yourself, I'm doing the same!
publisher may also be saying the same thing, what can 30-40 as you delicately put it angry gamers do! they are just gamers . but we the consumers have the power to change things rather than be forced to be changed so it could suit the publishers more. everything starts with the underground movement, if gamers start supporting this little small studios and open up to new concepts than big companies will start taking notes and change the way they operate as well. its not that hard to digest the idea really.It sounds simple....but this is not how things work. Nothing is that simple. Belive me. If it was up to me than we would be playing much better games today than we are actualy playing. For instance....Sonic the Hedgehog would have never had a chance to see the day of light in that shape and form on the PS3. But all we can do is talk about these things and hope for the best. We will see. The business world is hard and cruel.
Indeed business world is hard and cruel but the main objective of any business is to make money, Capcom publicly declared that they don't give a peanut about how creative or revolutionary the game is if the game is not making huge amount of profit they don't want anything to do with it. If that's the prime example of the mind set of every corporation in this industry is than we are in deep trouble and believe you me sooner or later gamers will demand change and when the time comes industry will have to operate and regulate to satisfy the consumers as well as employees .http://www.gametrailers.com/viewnews.php?id=4233lol they don't care about losing one customer, you have to get a whole bunch of people to go on strike!
Says the creator of LOST PLANET? What, are you friggin' kidding me? I played the demo for that game at Gamestop and it totally blew. Well perhaps this man who has concerned himself so greatly with the bottom line can realize that his bottom line will be affected by the people who take offense to that statement. I have no interest in any of his games from this point, especially considering how pathetic and non-inventive his recent games have become.
Clover creates better games...period. That's all I'm interested in. People of this forum, unite against this crap! I won't have some schmuck acting like videogames are cookie cutter crap with first-person alien shooter written all over it. Even if I have to believe this, it does not bode well for the industry.
Plus, this guy is not only arguing against Clover's philosophy...he is arguing against game magnates like Shigeru Miyamoto, whose primary interest is making fun, unique experiences, the practical entire Japanese game market and development community, the millions of DS and Wii owners across the globe...ugh. This is just so insulting on so many levels.
Send a message to Capcom, as this man has asked, that we're interested in games of a higher quality. And until he commits to that, he won't see a dime from me.
Redfingers
There are many games you'll never play that are awesome because you don't know about it. Who tells you? Sometimes word of mouth isn't enough to 'write that check for your living expenses'. All he's saying is that Clover sucked at marketing, and great at making games. And he may be right.komradandre
that just shows where he is coming from, that paragraph has got nothing to do with marketing of the game, instead he is publicly taking a cheap shot at diminishing game as a form of art.Perhaps I might get into trouble if I say this in front of people from the mass media. Games are not a work of art. It's actually a product. If we think of it as a work of art, then... when we think about Picasso and Van Gogh's paintings, the end result is beauty, so it doesn't matter if you sell it or not. However for games, it's a product. It is a commodity. The producer has to think about that.
WAIT WAIT WAIT just a minute, how many copies did Viewtiful Joe and Okami sell?G-LegendŌkami sold 200,000 copies in North America, grossing approximately USD$8 million and ranking as the 100th best selling game of the year in the region. By comparison, Ōkami sold 66,000 copies in Japan for 2006. not sure about VJ.
[QUOTE="G-Legend"]WAIT WAIT WAIT just a minute, how many copies did Viewtiful Joe and Okami sell?dancinapsŌkami sold 200,000 copies in North America, grossing approximately USD$8 million and ranking as the 100th best selling game of the year in the region. By comparison, Ōkami sold 66,000 copies in Japan for 2006. not sure about VJ.
I see.
"Okami and Viewtiful Joe, I think, are wonderful games and because they are wonderful games I think"
lol, horrible translation services as usual
Anyways, I really don't see all too much that is insulting to Clover in that quote. The guy basically stated that the producers didn't do a good enough job promoting the games in order to reach mass-market appeal.
But, then again, when two thirds of gamers out there rush out to get the weekly edition of Madden, I can't really blame Clover for the lack of sales of games like Okami.
Ico sold terribly, too, but the reputation that Team Ico gained after releasing it was enough to drive sales for SotC way over the multimillion mark. Capcom's just dumb for not capitalizing on Viewtiful Joe and Okami to create a follow-up.But, then again, when two thirds of gamers out there rush out to get the weekly edition of Madden, I can't really blame Clover for the lack of sales of games like Okami.
Xanog1
He's kinda right, because you gotta make cash to stay in the game. But there's gotta be both or all we'd play now are Mario and Halo clonesBenderUnit22
Truth.
It's a sad commentary on the game industry these days but he is correct. Okami was one of the best games in years yet it sold like crap. The Japanese game market is just rubbish these days because a game like Okami would have sold over a million ten years ago but now without the words "Final" and "Fantasy" or "Dragon" and "Quest" on the box, you are lucky to get 100,000 sales. There are a few exceptions such as the Tales series which still manages to sell around half a million or more with each title but that is now an established series.Â
The sad fact about the Japanese game market is that although Okami didn't do well at retail, it is a "premium" game used, meaning the price is still around full retail price because the demand for the game is high. I adore the Japanese used market but I can see where the major companies were coming from 10 years ago when they tried to ban stores re-selling their games just days after release, I guess it really does hurt sales at times.
[QUOTE="onemic"]He's not sying the games are bad, he's saying that the dev team doesn't know how to properly promote their product. 2beers_in_handBingo!!! Okami wasn't advertised properly the same could be said about Psyconauts two great games. That were not marketed correctly and thats the reason why they weren't massive hits. They should have been even though both game were great. This is an invalid statement. Inafune says that it is the publisher's responsibility to market the product...therefore, Clover did not provide a marketable product as the developer, causing the publisher to waste money on advertising for no return. Therefore, obviously, the publisher failed in advertising properly, and Inafune is out of his mind.
Yup. Doesnt matter if the game is good if it doesnt sell. Its all about the money.RadiozoThis is a viewpoint for the producers and publishers of the world to worry about. For you, the consumer, to hear a statement like this from a creative director who makes your products should upset you greatly. I'm not saying it's going to make you neglect their products for the next five years, but it should greatly upset you that they feel this way. It means they think that, honestly, you do not have the capacity to make an intelligent decision as to the games you buy. Do you like quality games? So do I. So does everyone else. Those who don't are a niche market. The only people who buy this crap and eat it up are either sheep or don't know of an alternative. Therefore, good games should be created regardless of money, meaning you'll purchase the best one and publishers will be happy.
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