Con? - PS3 Not Hard to Develop for...

I'm a hobby game developer and have been researching PS3 development info, I hear it's hard to learn and I like a challenge.

Anyway, to my surprise, it's C Syntax (Not assembly) and OpenGL. Easier transition then PS2 was for newbie's... Broadband Engine is different, but only different if you go beyond "The norm" of PC CPUs of today.

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=448798

http://ps3dev.info/content/view/25/2/

http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=313736

There are more web-sites on Google if you are interested in following up the topic.

ROFL =)) - Just saying that it's not too different from other game programming - at a basic-moderate level.

Agree - That is where the challenge lies...

I'm just surprised to hear that it's not Sony proprietary Language and proprietary API (Graphics). CPU threading and timing will be painful to debug, but will provide great results... You could run sound through one CPU, Physics, AI, etc each on it's own CPU. Then have one CPU to manage timing...

Anyway, sounds very cool... I glad Sony has opted for a familiar programming environment on PS3.

I think that C syntax is less nicer thous days  

I think I saw once an article that  developers for the Xbox 360 has .Net environment that was developed by MS for gaming

u lost me at broadband engine, anywayz nice to know that u think PS3 is easy to program for!!! :-) keep up the good workA_N_H32

he never said it was easy to program for.  there is a difference between "not hard" and "easy". 

I think that C syntax is less nicer thous days  

I think I saw once an article that  developers for the Xbox 360 has .Net environment that was developed by MS for gaming

just-guy

Without condemning myself to true geek'dom...

DOT.NET is C++, C#, VB and Java Syntax... DOT.NET is a common runtime that allows for cross-code integration. Has little impact on developing a game-engine, but does mean you can have people with different programming backgrounds work same game project.

C++ (And C Syntax Code) is still most popular for gaming and HW intensive applications... C-programmers should be comfortable on both XB360 and PS3.

I think that C syntax is less nicer thous days

I think I saw once an article that developers for the Xbox 360 has .Net environment that was developed by MS for gaming

just-guy

just so there's no confusion, .Net was not developed for gaming.  I can't really tell if that is what you meant, but it does kinda sound like that. 

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I think that C syntax is less nicer thous days

I think I saw once an article that developers for the Xbox 360 has .Net environment that was developed by MS for gaming

ppur77

Without condemning myself to true geek'dom...

DOT.NET is C++, C#, VB and Java Syntax... DOT.NET is a common runtime that allows for cross-code integration. Has little impact on developing a game-engine, but does mean you can have people with different programming backgrounds work same game project.

C++ (And C Syntax Code) is still most popular for gaming and HW intensive applications... C-programmers should be comfortable on both XB360 and PS3.

The only thing you're missing I think is you keep saying "at a basic-moderate level".  Game programmers are looking to maximize the console which does involve something that isn't all that known really, and that's coding specifics for which path each packet takes to which part of the cell.  Yes, it's all C syntax (and eclipsed is right once again, .NET was not developed for gaming although it could very well be used for gaming) but programming a game to run off the single main SPE and programming a game that requires multiple SPEs is a different story.

Still a nice post.  I assumed it was all C based but wasn't sure until now. 

just so there's no confusion, .Net was not developed for gaming.  I can't really tell if that is what you meant, but it does kinda sound like that. 

eclipsed4utoo

LoL - Yes, that is what I was implying...

The_Rick_14 - Totally agree with you... I chose my words carefully and specifically... If you refer to a previous post I said... "You could run sound through one CPU, Physics, AI, etc each on its own CPU (SPE)."

The multi processors are a challenge to a developer - But if I can see the upside possibilities, and I'm an application developer, the Game-engine gurus can also see this. There is massive up-side in PS3 gaming... In my humble opinion.

The_Rick_14 - Totally agree with you... I chose my words carefully and specifically... If you refer to a previous post I said... "You could run sound through one CPU, Physics, AI, etc each on its own CPU (SPE)."

The multi processors are a challenge to a developer - But if I can see the upside possibilities, and I'm an application developer, the Game-engine gurus can also see this. There is massive up-side in PS3 gaming... In my humble opinion.

ppur77

There most certainly is, once dev kits are realized for the Cell.  I'm a newbie code geek myself. Still in school learning programming. :P 

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The_Rick_14 - Totally agree with you... I chose my words carefully and specifically... If you refer to a previous post I said... "You could run sound through one CPU, Physics, AI, etc each on its own CPU (SPE)."

The multi processors are a challenge to a developer - But if I can see the upside possibilities, and I'm an application developer, the Game-engine gurus can also see this. There is massive up-side in PS3 gaming... In my humble opinion.

The_Rick_14

There most certainly is, once dev kits are realized for the Cell. I'm a newbie code geek myself. Still in school learning programming. :P

the great thing about programming is that almost every language is the same(modern languages like C, C++, C#, Java, VB, VB.Net).  the only differences is syntax. 

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The_Rick_14 - Totally agree with you... I chose my words carefully and specifically... If you refer to a previous post I said... "You could run sound through one CPU, Physics, AI, etc each on its own CPU (SPE)."

The multi processors are a challenge to a developer - But if I can see the upside possibilities, and I'm an application developer, the Game-engine gurus can also see this. There is massive up-side in PS3 gaming... In my humble opinion.

eclipsed4utoo

There most certainly is, once dev kits are realized for the Cell. I'm a newbie code geek myself. Still in school learning programming. :P

the great thing about programming is that almost every language is the same(modern languages like C, C++, C#, Java, VB, VB.Net). the only differences is syntax.

yea thats what I'm noticing..especially because they're all object oriented 

MULTICORE!!

developers need to learn intead of saying the word 'can't'.

PS3 needs more ports from PC games, becuase the developers know how to program for an high end multicore PC. 7spe's
each for a different task. UBISOFT take note, maybe the worst publisher for ports to the PS3. x

the great thing about programming is that almost every language is the same(modern languages like C, C++, C#, Java, VB, VB.Net).  the only differences is syntax. 

 I cannot say that the only thing that is different is Syntax, C++ is not a PURE Object oriented language only C# and Java are Pure OOL

Also when I said that I think XBOX360 has .Net environment I meant that developers has more flexible and comfortable packages in the .Net that helps them develop, but C++  and  C are the best languages to program because they give the developer the option to do what ever he feels like BUT he must know what he is doing and what is happeninnig behaind the scene or else....:)