Demon's Souls World Tendency

Hey

I just got Demon's Souls and I'm trying to understand all the different things. One of the things I really don't understand is the world tendency thing. I've read quite a bit about it but I still don't understand. Can someone who is informed about this help me please?

What is the world tendency for? I know PBWT makes that world harder and PWWT makes it easier. I've been reading this site http://demonssouls.wikidot.com/world-tendencyand I want to know. Do I need to compete all those tasks it states to get PB or PW or just some? It also says to defeat Black Phantom Executioner Miralda to change it to white but she doesn't show up until you have amost PB. I don't get it. Do I have to go PB to go PW and vice-versa?

Can I come back to a previous world after I've killed all the bosses to turn it PW or PB?

Also which is better PB or PW. Is PB like the evil road and PW the good road?Does WT even really matter?

Sorry if I'm confusing. I'm confusing myself, lol.

thanks

The World Tendency, depending on what it is, will trigger certain events in the game. And as you mentioned it will also alter the games difficulty, however the easier it is the less souls you earn per kill. If you want to change it I would suggest not connecting to the internet so other players won't affect it. the WT will also allow you into certain areas previously unreachable, allowing you to get items previously unobtainable. A few weapons also depend on WT, mainly Demonbrandt and Soulbrandt (I hope i spelled those right). WT shouldn't be something you need to worry about unless you are trying to get specific weapons or armor from certain NPC's that appear only under certain conditions like Miranda I think her name is. Hope I helped :D

Thanks for the reply. So did you worry about WT. I still don't get why it says todefeat Black Phantom Executioner Miralda to change it to white, becauseshe doesn't show up until you have amost PB. Do I have to go PB to go PW and vice-versa?

I don't want to miss out on things and areas. Do you know which is better? Also can you make a world PB and get all the extra things and go to the extra places, then after that do things to change it to PW?

thanks for the help :)

Thanks for the reply. So did you worry about WT. I still don't get why it says todefeat Black Phantom Executioner Miralda to change it to white, becauseshe doesn't show up until you have amost PB. Do I have to go PB to go PW and vice-versa?

I don't want to miss out on things and areas. Do you know which is better? Also can you make a world PB and get all the extra things and go to the extra places, then after that do things to change it to PW?

thanks for the help :)

natenation87

Lol I already helped you with alot, but I'm at the 2nd last boss at I still have no clue how to use WT lol.

World Tendancy is a scale that slightly alters the difficulty of the game and on both ends of the spectrum (pure black / white), there can be certain events, new areas and bosses to access in each world. This is really the main reason to worry too much about world tendancy as you can discover some powerful gear or gain colorless demon souls from primeval demons.

As the wiki shows, the scale goes from +3 to -4 and the respective actions (like dying in body form or killing a boss) will shift it up or down a bit. And yes, special black phantoms like Miralda only appear once you reach PBWT (and will disappear again if you somehow get towards white.) Your world tendancy also carries over through new game+ so even if you fail to get any particular WT event, you can always get if in the next (though harder) play-through.

The most efficient way to get most if not all WT events in one play-through would be to make sure never to die on body form in the world you try to get to pure white, since killing any boss will shift it towards white, so by the time you reach the end of a world, you'll have pure white tendancy. As with character tendancy, it's much easier to get from pure white to pure black, for pure black, you could simply collect enough Stones of Ephemeral Eyes and run off a cliff over and over in body form.

The other surefire way is to get pure black and then go on to kill the world's special black phantom (+3 shift), kill the primeval demon (+3 shift) and kill at least 1 boss all without leaving the world (since if you leave before killing both the phantom and the primeval demon will remove either since you're not in PBWT anymore).

I hope this was more or less comprehensible

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Thanks for the reply. So did you worry about WT. I still don't get why it says todefeat Black Phantom Executioner Miralda to change it to white, becauseshe doesn't show up until you have amost PB. Do I have to go PB to go PW and vice-versa?

I don't want to miss out on things and areas. Do you know which is better? Also can you make a world PB and get all the extra things and go to the extra places, then after that do things to change it to PW?

thanks for the help :)

00Killaz00

Lol I already helped you with alot, but I'm at the 2nd last boss at I still have no clue how to use WT lol.

lmao. Hello there :) Good I'm not the ony one then, lol.At first I didn't care about the WT and wasn't going to worry about it but then I thought I'd read up about it and now I want to use it. I need to know everything about a game, lol. Did you encounter Executioner Miralda?

World Tendancy is a scale that slightly alters the difficulty of the game and on both ends of the spectrum (pure black / white), there can be certain events, new areas and bosses to access in each world. This is really the main reason to worry too much about world tendancy as you can discover some powerful gear or gain colorless demon souls from primeval demons.

As the wiki shows, the scale goes from +3 to -4 and the respective actions (like dying in body form or killing a boss) will shift it up or down a bit. And yes, special black phantoms like Miralda only appear once you reach PBWT (and will disappear again if you somehow get towards white.) Your world tendancy also carries over through new game+ so even if you fail to get any particular WT event, you can always get if in the next (though harder) play-through.

The most efficient way to get most if not all WT events in one play-through would be to make sure never to die on body form in the world you try to get to pure white, since killing any boss will shift it towards white, so by the time you reach the end of a world, you'll have pure white tendancy. As with character tendancy, it's much easier to get from pure white to pure black, for pure black, you could simply collect enough Stones of Ephemeral Eyes and run off a cliff over and over in body form.

The other surefire way is to get pure black and then go on to kill the world's special black phantom (+3 shift), kill the primeval demon (+3 shift) and kill at least 1 boss all without leaving the world (since if you leave before killing both the phantom and the primeval demon will remove either since you're not in PBWT anymore).

I hope this was more or less comprehensible

BenderUnit22

Thanks, yeah I am understanding more, lol. Does each worldstart out as PW, PB or neutral? So it's possible to get PB then PW or vice-versa in each world on one playthrough?

So I can't come back to a world later and kill theprimeval demon and get +3?

I don't get why that site says I can kill the worlds NPC +3and also the Primeval Demon +3 and it doesn't say I can't return to the nexus in between the two,but then under that it says "Defeat Black Phantom NPC and 1 Primeval Demon without returning to Nexus. (+6) (once per game)" for PW. What's the difference I still get +6.

What I still don't get is. How do I get to PW since I would need to go PB and kill the 5 NPCs but then for me to get to PB I'd need to go PW and kill the same 5 NPCs in phantom form.This I don't understand. Which is the best to go/end with PW or PB?

I am really sorry for all the questions. There's just so much to learn and remember.

What I still don't get is. How do I get to PW since I would need to go PB and kill the 5 NPCs but then for me to get to PB I'd need to go PW and kill the same 5 NPCs in phantom form.This I don't understand. Which is the best to go/end with PW or PB?

The game starts out in neutral for all worlds. You can sort of judge your current tendency by looking at the tendency tab in the menu, it an archstone is very dark, you're close to or at pure black while it's glowing in pure white (you can see example pictures on the wiki under "What is it right now?") You can always come back to a world and it will keep its tendency (although if you play online, that can mess up a lot, so if you're going for a specific world event item, I recommend against it.) The list on the wiki simply offers all the different ways you can affect WT, so it lists +3 by defeating BP Miralda (or any other named NPC) and +3 by defeating Primeval Demon separately. Here's why you can only get the +6 effect if you don't go back to the nexus in between: Both Miralda and the Primeval Demon require the world to be pure black. However if you, for example, kill Miralda and then go back to the nexus, the game will shift the tendancy of the world by +3, ergo it's not pure black anymore (world tendency shifts only take effect after you leave a world and return). So when you return, it's not pure black anymore, therefore the Primeval Demon won't spawn, therefore you can't kill him, therefore you can't get another +3 shift.

What I still don't get is. How do I get to PW since I would need to go PB and kill the 5 NPCs but then for me to get to PB I'd need to go PW and kill the same 5 NPCs in phantom form.This I don't understand. Which is the best to go/end with PW or PB?BenderUnit22

You don't need to be at one end of the spectrum to go to the opposite. As I said, you start out at 0 and each world has at least 3 bosses, each boss giving a +1 shift so you'd end up at pure white +3. However, if you died only once in body form, this would give a -1 penalty shift so at max you'd end up at +2. The only way at that point to get to pure white is to either try onthe enxt play-through (again, WT is saved between new game+) or go pure black, then kill a black phantom NPC (+3), the world's primeval demon (+3) (again, don't leave the world or the demon / black phantom will be gone) and a boss (+1) to get from -4 to +3. Getting to pure black is even simpler as the easiest way to do it (even accidentally) is to die in body form. So you can just die (for example run off a cliff), get your body form back by either using a Stone of Ephemeral Eyes, helping another player as a blue phantom, defeating another player as a red phantom or defeating a boss in a different world, jump back down that cliff and repeat until you reach pure black. Since shifting to PW is a lot trickier than to PB, I think it's more efficient to at least try and get PW by defeating all bosses without accidentally dying in body form (you could avoid it by going back to the nexus once you get your body form back and die there, playing the whole world in soul form). Of course, that's not something that's likely on your first run through the game.

Ok, it's starting to make more sense. Just want to clarify a few things.

Why does it say thatdefeaingt Black Phantom NPC and 1 Primeval Demon without returning to Nexus. (+6) can only be done once per game? Can't I kill each NPC and Primeval Demon without returning to the nexus in every world and get the +6?

Also if I'm going for PB, killing a boss will turn it more white, yeah? Is there anyway around this, so I can get to all the Primeval demons? Is there any other way to get PB besides killing yourself and the BP NPCs?

Is changing the WT to PB or PW to help you on your second playthrough? Which is the better one to go with or to end the game with?

Ok, so would this work. Turn all worlds PW by killing the bosses and the dragons. Then kill the NPCs, get what I need from them, kill myself as neededand turn the world PB. Then kill NPC phantoms. Or I could do it the other way round (starting with PB). The only thing is, wouldn't this leave all the worlds neutral again and not PW or PB? As the last thing I'd be doing is killing the NPC, which would send it back to netural.

I'm sorry if I'm bugging you. I just really like the game and I want to do everything properly

Thanks again :)

Hers a couple examples I can give that will maybe help you out. Take the dragon god boss for example in world 2. There is a sword to the left of the boss that you can only get if you have PWWT. The way I got PWWT is I played and beat all the previous bosses in world 2 before I encountered Dragon god. I beat armor spider, and flame lurker. Once I beat dragon god everything in that world changed to PWWT. I could then go back to the top and retrieve the sword dragonbone smasher.

In world 1-1 as soon as you start off is a locked gate to the left. Thats where miralda is. I first fought her In PWWT. I got PWWT by defeating Phalanx, Tower knight and penetrator.

In new game + i wanted to fight her in PBWT so I commited suicide in body form 7 time in that world. Everything changed to PBWT after that.

Basically you have to be able to manipulate the WT to what it is your trying to accomplish.

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Thanks for the reply. So did you worry about WT. I still don't get why it says todefeat Black Phantom Executioner Miralda to change it to white, becauseshe doesn't show up until you have amost PB. Do I have to go PB to go PW and vice-versa?

I don't want to miss out on things and areas. Do you know which is better? Also can you make a world PB and get all the extra things and go to the extra places, then after that do things to change it to PW?

thanks for the help :)

natenation87

Lol I already helped you with alot, but I'm at the 2nd last boss at I still have no clue how to use WT lol.

lmao. Hello there :) Good I'm not the ony one then, lol.At first I didn't care about the WT and wasn't going to worry about it but then I thought I'd read up about it and now I want to use it. I need to know everything about a game, lol. Did you encounter Executioner Miralda?

Lol the only thing I've changed is my CT which is at Pure Black lmao.