PSP:
- UMD
NGP:
- small flash memory based card
the small flash memory based cards will be less power consuming, faster and will have bigger memory capacity. But will they be just as fun to collect?
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hell yes! i hated the UMD's after a while for a lot of reasons. I still hope that i can download things off the PSN store though i liked that feature.
also when did cartridges start being able to hold more? i think its insane the footage iv seen to imagine those being on a cartridge similar to the DS or gameboy!
Sounds good to me. Small DS-like carts would be preferred. Also, it's really easy to store several in game cases.
Well for one, the game cards would allow nearly instant load times and better data streaming during levels without load times. So I prefer the NGP's physical media.
IMO tiny CD's are more fun to collect than Little flash memory cards. But I first need to see how they are going to look like.Two people accidentally clicked "No".
Seriously, I can't think of a single good thing the UMD has over the physical media of the NGP. This is easily a YES for me.
Ventara
[QUOTE="Ventara"]IMO tiny CD's are more fun to collect than Little flash memory cards. But I first need to see how they are going to look like. why would you collect them mine are gonna be in the ngp i wont even notice themTwo people accidentally clicked "No".
Seriously, I can't think of a single good thing the UMD has over the physical media of the NGP. This is easily a YES for me.
rubedisky
Definitely have to go with the new game cards over UMDs for all the reasons that have already been mentioned. On a side note I'm just glad Sony didn't go all download like the GO since I am one of the few who are bucking the trend of downloading games for physical media. I can't help it I just love physically owning something.
Frankly, if the game sizes are less than 5 gigs than I wouldn't mind downloading them instead. But, I hate physical media in general, so cartridges and UMD's are big no no for me. But if the games are way over 5 gigs, then I'll mind as well settle with stuff like the cartridges.
Definitelyhappy about this, smaller size, faster, quieter, and will also increase battery life. Also, the advantage of being able to trade games. Digital downloads destroy that most of the time.
Call me crazy I like the UMD's not by function but by design I like the idea of the idea of a card due to performance but hell I still have a MiniDISC player (1993) I still use so I just got used to the UMD players I'll always love my stylish little discs.
IF the memory card phisical media of the ngp will be so small that there will barely some art on the stick and only the name than that would be a fail for me.Call me crazy I like the UMD's not by function but by design I like the idea of the idea of a card due to performance but hell I still have a MiniDISC player (1993) I still use so I just got used to the UMD players I'll always love my stylish little discs.
Oniresurrect
[QUOTE="Oniresurrect"]IF the memory card phisical media of the ngp will be so small that there will barely some art on the stick and only the name than that would be a fail for me.Call me crazy I like the UMD's not by function but by design I like the idea of the idea of a card due to performance but hell I still have a MiniDISC player (1993) I still use so I just got used to the UMD players I'll always love my stylish little discs.
rubedisky
TBH that sounds like a really silly reason to have a bulkier media.
I'm very happy with the physical media of the NGP. A very good way of provide space for large games (PS3 size) and saving on batteries lifespan. Sony could have probally made Mini Blu-Ray UMDs. But this is a better way to have games on. No moving parts and better battery life?
Going to miss the whriling UMD drive sound however.. I kinda liked it.
Sony's new SD memery card/stick media is better this go round. Yep I like it
also when did cartridges start being able to hold more? i think its insane the footage iv seen to imagine those being on a cartridge similar to the DS or gameboy!Djmaster214Cartridges and flash memory are not the same thing. The last handheld to use cartridges was the GBA. Cartridges contain a ROM chip which can provide near instant load times and use up less system RAM because parts of the game can be run directly from the ROM memory on the cart. However it is much more expensive than flash memory per GB, thus its not used in modern consoles (I believe the late gen GBA carts went up to 64MB). DS cards and PSP2 cards are based on flash memory. While modern flash memory speeds have improved to make load times quite fast, they are not as fast as ROM based catridges (but still faster than UMD). DS games that seem to have near instant loading are usually simpler games. More complex DS games do have loading times. With the more detailed games coming on PSP2 (uncharted, metal gear etc) I would expect longer loading times than 3DS even with the PSP2 adopting flash memory due to the amount of detail. Recent DS flash cards games have upto 512MB. 3DS flash cards will start at 2GB and may be increased as time goes on. Sony haven't announced the size of PSP2 cards, but given the screen res is over 3x that of both 3DS screens combined, I would expect at least 4GB, maybe 8GB. Flash memory has been able to hold over 1.8GB (the size of UMDs) for years (eg USB thumb drives). Its only recently that the cost has come down to the point where its affordable. Now something like a 4GB or 8GB PSP2 flash card can easily be manufactured for a few dollars or less. Optical discs would still be cheaper, but have the disadvantages already discussed in this thread.
[QUOTE="Djmaster214"]also when did cartridges start being able to hold more? i think its insane the footage iv seen to imagine those being on a cartridge similar to the DS or gameboy!crimsonfuryCartridges and flash memory are not the same thing. The last handheld to use cartridges was the GBA. Cartridges contain a ROM chip which can provide near instant load times and use up less system RAM because parts of the game can be run directly from the ROM memory on the cart. However it is much more expensive than flash memory per GB, thus its not used in modern consoles (I believe the late gen GBA carts went up to 64MB). DS cards and PSP2 cards are based on flash memory. While modern flash memory speeds have improved to make load times quite fast, they are not as fast as ROM based catridges (but still faster than UMD). DS games that seem to have near instant loading are usually simpler games. More complex DS games do have loading times. With the more detailed games coming on PSP2 (uncharted, metal gear etc) I would expect longer loading times than 3DS even with the PSP2 adopting flash memory due to the amount of detail. Recent DS flash cards games have upto 512MB. 3DS flash cards will start at 2GB and may be increased as time goes on. Sony haven't announced the size of PSP2 cards, but given the screen res is over 3x that of both 3DS screens combined, I would expect at least 4GB, maybe 8GB. Flash memory has been able to hold over 1.8GB (the size of UMDs) for years (eg USB thumb drives). Its only recently that the cost has come down to the point where its affordable. Now something like a 4GB or 8GB PSP2 flash card can easily be manufactured for a few dollars or less. Optical discs would still be cheaper, but have the disadvantages already discussed in this thread.
Actually at equivalent capacities a MaskROM is cheaper than Flash. Per unit anyway. I'm pretty sure that's what the DS uses (plus a tiny bit of flash for the save feature), and I suspect it will be what these PSP2 cards use.
UMDs were good in the past because of their capacity, but now since its easy for flash cards to be at those capacities at a low cost it was the right move. I prefer the flash cards because it will require less moving parts and less bulk.
I only regret that I will not be able to play my UMDs on the PSP2, but then, I could just keep my 3000...
[QUOTE="crimsonfury"][QUOTE="Djmaster214"]also when did cartridges start being able to hold more? i think its insane the footage iv seen to imagine those being on a cartridge similar to the DS or gameboy!ThePlotholeCartridges and flash memory are not the same thing. The last handheld to use cartridges was the GBA. Cartridges contain a ROM chip which can provide near instant load times and use up less system RAM because parts of the game can be run directly from the ROM memory on the cart. However it is much more expensive than flash memory per GB, thus its not used in modern consoles (I believe the late gen GBA carts went up to 64MB). DS cards and PSP2 cards are based on flash memory. While modern flash memory speeds have improved to make load times quite fast, they are not as fast as ROM based catridges (but still faster than UMD). DS games that seem to have near instant loading are usually simpler games. More complex DS games do have loading times. With the more detailed games coming on PSP2 (uncharted, metal gear etc) I would expect longer loading times than 3DS even with the PSP2 adopting flash memory due to the amount of detail. Recent DS flash cards games have upto 512MB. 3DS flash cards will start at 2GB and may be increased as time goes on. Sony haven't announced the size of PSP2 cards, but given the screen res is over 3x that of both 3DS screens combined, I would expect at least 4GB, maybe 8GB. Flash memory has been able to hold over 1.8GB (the size of UMDs) for years (eg USB thumb drives). Its only recently that the cost has come down to the point where its affordable. Now something like a 4GB or 8GB PSP2 flash card can easily be manufactured for a few dollars or less. Optical discs would still be cheaper, but have the disadvantages already discussed in this thread.
Actually at equivalent capacities a MaskROM is cheaper than Flash. Per unit anyway. I'm pretty sure that's what the DS uses (plus a tiny bit of flash for the save feature), and I suspect it will be what these PSP2 cards use.
While it's true Masked ROM maybe cheaper to make, thereare other variables to take into consideration:
. . . Besides, practically every Sony rep is ALREADY saying they are flash cards. The telegraph even reckons they are called the "NVG" flash medium.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/video-games/8286475/PSP2-Sony-NGP-hands-on-and-portable-market-analysis.html
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