Extremely bummed about Madden 08.

I have both a PS3 and a 360. I have Madden 08 payed for in full for the PS3which I will be canceling and switching my reserve to the 360 version. I am blown away how the 360 version runs at double the framerateand the Ps3 version is choppy at best. If I didn't love football so much I would just skip this game all together. Another thing that is annoying is that it isnot just EA.

I really want to add games to my PS3 collection which remains at1 game. I have alot of Blu Rays though. My only game is Tekken DR. I have played a ton of games since my friend loans me his but none that are worth buying. (Obviously that will change real soon. Can't wait for Haze, COD4 exc. CoD4 depends on what version is superior.)

Here is a side by side comparison of the 360 vs PS3 FPS,

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13783

I really dont see the big deal. Its not that big of a difference really. I watched a comparison and i didnt notice a thing until the game was in slow motion. Beside its not like im gonna ever be playing Madden on the 360 so really i will never see a difference besides of course watching comparison videos.Blitz_Nemesis

If the frames were locked in at 30 I don't think it would bother me. The only thing that could save the PS3 version is if it is 1080p or visually better then the 360 version for the people people having to decide on which version to pick up.

Seriously, i dont have a ps3, but why the heck does it matter at all? Tv is either 23 or 24 fps depending on where you come from, 30 is +6 that min. Do you ever complain about tv shows not being fluid enough or being choppy?

Although, if its not locked at 30, then i completely understand going with 360, but if its locked at 30 i would say ps3 is the better way to go because its free online, and more online opponents.

If a game like Resistance can run flawlessly with no dips in framerate while 40 people cluster at one bottleneck in Grimsby and fire rockets at one another, there is no reason a generic Madden game can't run at 60 FPS except for complete ineptitude on a devs part, and hell, it could have possibly been an intentional decision. MS is shady like industry rule 4080.

Seriously, i dont have a ps3, but why the heck does it matter at all? Tv is either 23 or 24 fps depending on where you come from, 30 is +6 that min. Do you ever complain about tv shows not being fluid enough or being choppy?

Although, if its not locked at 30, then i completely understand going with 360, but if its locked at 30 i would say ps3 is the better way to go because its free online, and more online opponents.

rockhead1490

If I recall correctly, movies in the cinema run at 24 fps. TV shows, DVDs, run at 29 or 30. The human eye can supposedly only detect 30-ish, but I can still tell the difference between PC games running at 40 or 60, especially with really fast turns in an FPS. 40 won't be "choppy", but it is somehow less fluid than 60.

Framerate problems can literally kill a game for me. I'm just glad I don't like Madden games.

I really dont see the big deal. Its not that big of a difference really. I watched a comparison and i didnt notice a thing until the game was in slow motion. Beside its not like im gonna ever be playing Madden on the 360 so really i will never see a difference besides of course watching comparison videos.Blitz_Nemesis

the difference is big.

Seriously, i dont have a ps3, but why the heck does it matter at all? Tv is either 23 or 24 fps depending on where you come from, 30 is +6 that min. Do you ever complain about tv shows not being fluid enough or being choppy?

Although, if its not locked at 30, then i completely understand going with 360, but if its locked at 30 i would say ps3 is the better way to go because its free online, and more online opponents.

rockhead1490

You have NO idea what you are talking about. If you played PC Games you would understand. Here is a program I uploaded to prove to you there is clearly a difference.

http://files.filefront.com/fpstestzip/;8280441;;/fileinfo.html

Bottomline, PS3 got a weaker version and it should not have.

All I care about is whether or not the game is playable, or has any slowdown or hiccups like Madden 07 did on the PS2. This whole 30/60 argument is kinda retarded if you ask me.socomn00b

Your post is just plain silly. The fps being lower causes SLOWDOWN... duh. 60fps is twice as smooth as 30. When there are framerate drops it is noticeable. When you have framerate drops@ 30 fps it is much more noticeable, especially on a sports game.

You couldn't tell a difference in NCAA 08, you expect one in Madden?king23_

Download it and watch in fullscreen.

Wait till Madden 09 then.

Madden changes so little from year to year its not worth getting excited about.

Who cares. There's another Madden every year.crck

That's my position. Also as far as visuals, Madden isn't a "benchmark" game by any means. There are much more demanding games already on PS3 that run fine. EA sales haven't been that good for awhile now and they keep saying it's because X360 and PS3 aren't selling as well as they should, but I blame it on their lack to fully commit to nextgen. Half their games barely even qualify as "next-gen" games as is.

Wait till Madden 09 then.

Madden changes so little from year to year its not worth getting excited about. PrimordialMeme

How much do you expect it to change in one year?

Wait till Madden 09 then.

Madden changes so little from year to year its not worth getting excited about.

PrimordialMeme

Or grab the 360 version.

Changes this year for Madden is HUGE. For people that love football, Madden 08 being one of the best Maddens ever if not the bestMadden ever it is hard for football fansnot to get excited.

Who cares. There's another Madden every year.crck

How is this any different from CoD or any other game that has a new one every year?

[QUOTE="PrimordialMeme"]

Wait till Madden 09 then.

Madden changes so little from year to year its not worth getting excited about.

Taijiquan

Or grab the 360 version.

Changes this year for Madden is HUGE. For people that love football, Madden 08 being one of the best Maddens ever if not the bestMadden ever it is hard for football fansnot to get excited.

Well I know where you're coming from.

I think the Madden games create fans. I know I didn't get into football hardcore till Madden 04 (Aug. 2003) so I understand what you're saying about the connection between the two. I'm a diehard Bears fan, and been one since that time, but as a videogame I see the many flaws Madden has.

There are some little tackle animations and juke animations inserted, but lets be honest, 60fps or 30fps, this is still another madden game. Still a long way away from looking like actual football.

Frankly, the guy who bought a PS3/360 to play Madden won't notice the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps.

Most people who play Madden don't care. In my opinion, sports games are a waste of money, but that's my opinion.

[QUOTE="crck"]Who cares. There's another Madden every year.Taijiquan

How is this any different from CoD or any other game that has a new one every year?

Madden offers the same thing every year. You play on the same fields with, for the most part, the same players, doing the same thing. It's not EA's fault, it's just the way football is. The first three Call of Duties had different stories, different maps, and different gameplay, more or less. Comparing Call of Duty to Madden is downright ignorant.

I have both a PS3 and a 360. I have Madden 08 payed for in full for the PS3which I will be canceling and switching my reserve to the 360 version. I am blown away how the 360 version runs at double the framerateand the Ps3 version is choppy at best. If I didn't love football so much I would just skip this game all together. Another thing that is annoying is that it isnot just EA.

I really want to add games to my PS3 collection which remains at1 game. I have alot of Blu Rays though. My only game is Tekken DR. I have played a ton of games since my friend loans me his but none that are worth buying. (Obviously that will change real soon. Can't wait for Haze, COD4 exc. CoD4 depends on what version is superior.)

Here is a side by side comparison of the 360 vs PS3 FPS,

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/13783

Taijiquan

[QUOTE="Taijiquan"]

[QUOTE="crck"]Who cares. There's another Madden every year.dewmandew7

How is this any different from CoD or any other game that has a new one every year?

Madden offers the same thing every year. You play on the same fields with, for the most part, the same players, doing the same thing. It's not EA's fault, it's just the way football is. The first three Call of Duties had different stories, different maps, and different gameplay, more or less. Comparing Call of Duty to Madden is downright ignorant.

He isn't quitecomparing Madden with Call of Duty, he's comparing the differences in each yearlyMaddennext toeach yearlyCall of Duty Call of Duty is basically the same thing each year. It's not EA's fault, it's the way FPS are.Guy with guns, shooting somebody or something.Each Madden has different/extra players, different gameplay, more or less. He isn't saying Madden is exactly like Call of Duty, just that in a year there's only so much the developers can improve, so to expect a totally new revamped, ultimately awesome, Madden in just one year is asking too much.

until owner mode makes an appearence once again...im giving the big ol' finger to EA Sports.justin_06

Put that finger away, my friend. Owner Mode is in this game, it's called GM mode, but basically the same thing.

does it matter? only people like us would know its 60 fps and 30 fps. in the end its the same game so whoever has each console would buy that version. only those hardcore gamers like some of you here or the richie people have both consoles. in the end its not gonna change the sales of maddenjunk56

What does "Like us" mean? A choppy game is a choppy game. For the idiots saying they can not notice, DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO THAT COMPARES THE TWO. The people that are saying are either A. Not planning on buying madden or B. Trying to display some type of damage control. The people planning to purchase Madden care because it is a noticeable difference. Imagine buying a Porsche that could only accelerate to the speed limit and back down then up and back down. Its the idea.

It is frustrating for several reasons.

1)Like it or not Madden will be in the top5 sold games this year.

2)We have been told how great the PS3 is and alot of people purchased it at a higher price because of it. Ifthe samegames are getting outsold at a higherper unit ratio how is that going to look for developers to really take advantage of the PS3?

For those that had anXbox lastgen because ofits superior technology compared to the PS2 (some of us stay on the cutting edge. Its a hobby.) now with the PS3 we can expect thesame type oftreatment. Lowest commonfactor.

Alotof us want the real PS3 experience. The theater experience thatKojima talked about. 1080p textures 7.1 PCM uncompressed sound @ 60 fps or even 120mhz for those of use with newer LCDs. All completely doable do to Cell, RSX and of course Blu Ray. Otherwise, what did we spend our money on?

[QUOTE="junk56"]does it matter? only people like us would know its 60 fps and 30 fps. in the end its the same game so whoever has each console would buy that version. only those hardcore gamers like some of you here or the richie people have both consoles. in the end its not gonna change the sales of maddenTaijiquan

What does "Like us" mean? A choppy game is a choppy game. For the idiots saying they can not notice, DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO THAT COMPARES THE TWO. The people that are saying are either A. Not planning on buying madden or B. Trying to display some type of damage control. The people planning to purchase Madden care because it is a noticeable difference. Imagine buying a Porsche that could only accelerate to the speed limit and back down then up and back down. Its the idea.

It is frustrating for several reasons.

1)Like it or not Madden will be in the top5 sold games this year.

2)We have been told how great the PS3 is and alot of people purchased it at a higher price because of it. Ifthe samegames are getting outsold at a higherper unit ratio how is that going to look for developers to really take advantage of the PS3?

For those that had anXbox lastgen because ofits superior technology compared to the PS2 (some of us stay on the cutting edge. Its a hobby.) now with the PS3 we can expect thesame type oftreatment. Lowest commonfactor.

Alotof us want the real PS3 experience. The theater experience thatKojima talked about. 1080p textures 7.1 PCM uncompressed sound @ 60 fps or even 120mhz for those of use with newer LCDs. All completely doable do to Cell, RSX and of course Blu Ray. Otherwise, what did we spend our money on?

amen brother, I couldn't have said it better myself!! I love ps3 but this crap has to stop!!!!

The way I see it, if they couldn't get both versions to run at 60fps, both shoulda been 30fps, then this wouldn't be an issue, and not piss off PS3 owners.

[QUOTE="junk56"]does it matter? only people like us would know its 60 fps and 30 fps. in the end its the same game so whoever has each console would buy that version. only those hardcore gamers like some of you here or the richie people have both consoles. in the end its not gonna change the sales of maddenTaijiquan

What does "Like us" mean? A choppy game is a choppy game. For the idiots saying they can not notice, DOWNLOAD THE VIDEO THAT COMPARES THE TWO. The people that are saying are either A. Not planning on buying madden or B. Trying to display some type of damage control. The people planning to purchase Madden care because it is a noticeable difference. Imagine buying a Porsche that could only accelerate to the speed limit and back down then up and back down. Its the idea.

It is frustrating for several reasons.

1)Like it or not Madden will be in the top5 sold games this year.

2)We have been told how great the PS3 is and alot of people purchased it at a higher price because of it. Ifthe samegames are getting outsold at a higherper unit ratio how is that going to look for developers to really take advantage of the PS3?

For those that had anXbox lastgen because ofits superior technology compared to the PS2 (some of us stay on the cutting edge. Its a hobby.) now with the PS3 we can expect thesame type oftreatment. Lowest commonfactor.

Alotof us want the real PS3 experience. The theater experience thatKojima talked about. 1080p textures 7.1 PCM uncompressed sound @ 60 fps or even 120mhz for those of use with newer LCDs. All completely doable do to Cell, RSX and of course Blu Ray. Otherwise, what did we spend our money on?

[QUOTE="Voidance2"]I love it how Lemmings parade around, bad mouthing the PS3 and it's 30 fps. They seem all too quick to forget that the past two Madden iterations on their console ran at the obviously lackluster 30 fps.getyeryayasout

Couldn't have said it better myself, 30fps is lackluster.

[QUOTE="gizmo_logix"][QUOTE="getyeryayasout"]

[QUOTE="Voidance2"]I love it how Lemmings parade around, bad mouthing the PS3 and it's 30 fps. They seem all too quick to forget that the past two Madden iterations on their console ran at the obviously lackluster 30 fps.getyeryayasout

Couldn't have said it better myself, 30fps is lackluster.

That isn't what he said. He said 30 fps is obviously lackluster.

framerates don't make the game. all of you who are whining about it being lower ont he ps3 need to sell your ps3, and play games on a calculator - that's what your level of intelligence deserves.

If a game like Resistance can run flawlessly with no dips in framerate while 40 people cluster at one bottleneck in Grimsby and fire rockets at one another, there is no reason a generic Madden game can't run at 60 FPS except for complete ineptitude on a devs part, and hell, it could have possibly been an intentional decision. MS is shady like industry rule 4080.

D_Znuhtz

I'm not much for Madden myself, but for the sake of the arguement it's true. You've got NGS at 60fps, other games comming out will be running at full 60fps (and yes you can notice if you pay attention, or have motion sickness) I wouldn't be suprised if MGS4 would be 60fps. And yes, MS is shady. They've done some pretty low shady stuff in the past, and their "FUD tactics" and buying out everything in their sight. Out of this whole time I've seen MS in the console market I've come to find that NOTHING is below them. They think it's like the PC market and they can just do whatever they want and monopolize the console market aswell cause they have deep pockets. Then the head of XBox goes to EA and (I believe or so I thought) the former Pres of EA goes to XBox? What now? Is EA going to be officially anti-PS3 now cause he's there? Is this just a tip of the ice berg? Buying everything, now playing switch-aroo with execs? Hmmmm...

No leagues online? can't franchise with a buddy online? (at least thats the preview-review I read today) They've been keeping the franchise mode under wraps because inevitably they'll not have something in it they should. Unless some eye opening reviews come in the next few days......See you next year....EA Ports it's in the game.

Really, the difference here is not going to be noticeable unless they are compared screen to screen....so what's the point? IF you own both systems, it might make your decision easier. If you own one....bfd.

With that said, it's retarded to blame the developers. The PS3's complexity is an issue. It adds dollars to development at a time when development cost is already too high to cut much profit. I do believe the PS3, theoretically, has more power than the 360, but if that superior power will ever be reached at a development cost point for all, or even most, games (not just system exclusives, etc), is doubtful. Even system exclusives are hit & miss based on developer talent too....e.g....Lair. Maybe if it was dominant like the PS2 was, but it's a little too late for that.

Really, the difference here is not going to be noticeable unless they are compared screen to screen....so what's the point? IF you own both systems, it might make your decision easier. If you own one....bfd.

With that said, it's retarded to blame the developers. The PS3's complexity is an issue. It adds dollars to development at a time when development cost is already too high to cut much profit. I do believe the PS3, theoretically, has more power than the 360, but if that superior power will ever be reached at a development cost point for all, or even most, games (not just system exclusives, etc), is doubtful. Even system exclusives are hit & miss based on developer talent too....e.g....Lair. Maybe if it was dominant like the PS2 was, but it's a little too late for that.

Hulabaloza

It'll have to gain it's legway over time though much like how PS2 was. Every system is complicated and costs more at first, that's why new and cheaper tools eventually come out to ease everything and game will spit out like nuts. Especially once 3 party profit starts to really roll in.

Seriously, i dont have a ps3, but why the heck does it matter at all? Tv is either 23 or 24 fps depending on where you come from, 30 is +6 that min. Do you ever complain about tv shows not being fluid enough or being choppy?

Although, if its not locked at 30, then i completely understand going with 360, but if its locked at 30 i would say ps3 is the better way to go because its free online, and more online opponents.

rockhead1490