Factor 5 Prez calls out "hard core" reviewers who fail to grasp motion

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

actually, the vast majority of players who are giving their opinions of the game are highly positive, learn how to play the game before saying it sucks cause that just makes you look like a loser

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

yeah i got to agree it still baffles me why they didn't put in analog controls too its not like it would have killed them they could have made it motion sensor by default even.

i get the feeling they were paid to make it motion sensor only but well after the reviews im really doubt that they were paid to make it motion sensor only cause its the worst press in the world for the sixaxis.

again i'd like to stress that i don't think personally that the motion controls are bad or make the game unplayable im jsut saying that the analog sticks would have worked better or at the very least they should have given people the option to choose.

they kind of were a bit arrogant with the game they don't give u the option to even adjust any of the control setting like sensitivity or choosing inverted or regular controls.

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

[QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

dewmandew7

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

:lol: primerly...

[QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

dewmandew7

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this is not english class =)

Ugh, I'm embarrassed of these guys already. 4.5 isn't just a couple minor issues, or "coats of paint" or anything of the like. 4.5 means the reviewers absolutely hated it, and now instead of burying their heads in the sand, they keep calling attention to it. Soon enough Julian will say something dumb and I'll be groaning while lems and even sheep laugh at us.

I haven't played the game yet either, but I wish they would shut up about the reviews and reviewers.

What I am pissed off about are the previews from all the gaming publications. Why didn't one of them feel the need to speak up and tell us or even better, tell Factor 5, how bad they thought the controls were? All of the "hands-on" features didn't say a damn thing about the controls, and then when it's released they suddenly hate it. Either they didn't have a problem with the controls until they read IGN's review, or they did have a problem and didn't say a word about it. They screwed us one way or the other, and I'm not happy about it.

XL83

Reading the reviews it sounded more like a case of "This game is hard....this sucks...I don't like it."

[QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this not english class =)

this may not be english class but there's a spell check button. Wouldn't be a terrible idea to use it, would it?

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

swordfish_64

[QUOTE="jackle2071"][QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

The_Rick_14

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this not english class =)

this may not be english class but there's a spell check button. Wouldn't be a terrible idea to use it, would it?

[QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this is not english class =)

That is the worst excuse people use. There's a reason we go to classes. We go to classes to learn and to use what we've learned in the real world. Do you think school is just required so that we're kept busy during the day? No, we go to school so that we don't grow up and dig ditches for the rest of our lives.

of course it's not English class, if it was everybody would have noticed the incorrect usage of the word "latter" (i think it's just a typo, and that the guy meant to say "later"), as well as "Primerly" and its unnecessary capitalization. :P

Reading the reviews, i got the impression that the reviewers couldn't get the hang of the controls so they gave it a bad review, but it's a beautiful game with great production values. So i take from that, that i should rent or borrow it and give it a shot. Just because somebody else couldn't figure out how to control the game doesn't mean i can't (although they MAY be right, the game might be horrible)

Besides, is the suckage of Lair really that big of a deal to the consumers? Games often flop when trying to break new ground. I'm just glad they're trying.

[QUOTE="jackle2071"][QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

dewmandew7

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this is not english class =)

That is the worst excuse people use. There's a reason we go to classes. We go to classes to learn and to use what we've learned in the real world. Do you think school is just required so that we're kept busy during the day? No, we go to school so that we don't grow up and dig ditches for the rest of our lives.

[QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"][QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this is not english class =)

That is the worst excuse people use. There's a reason we go to classes. We go to classes to learn and to use what we've learned in the real world. Do you think school is just required so that we're kept busy during the day? No, we go to school so that we don't grow up and dig ditches for the rest of our lives.

Everyone respects internet spell checkers

look you have gone way off your own topic just to point out my short coming! besides the point that the whole "this is not english" was just a throw away joke, come on man! are you saying that just cuz i have a hard time spelling that i could never make somthing out of my life? that im doomed to fast food jobs and digging ditches for the rest of my life? perhapes your the one who should have paid alittle bit more attention in school? sorry, i have said my peace and lets be done with it huh? we are here to talk about the crapy game Lair remember? not my crapy spelling =)jackle2071

Honestly, I wouldn't worry about spelling. The main problem with your post is that you don't seperate your ideas. Use periods or at least line-breaks so your post doesn't look like a huge run-on sentence. It's hard to read.

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

swordfish_64

Yeah - most people who have played it for more than an hour and actually learned the controls absolutely love Lair from everyone I've talked to. It's just the casual gamers (and reviewers) who pick it up for 15 minutes and because there's a steep learning curve they just don't want to take the time to really get to know the game - they're the ones saying it sucks.

Oh well - I don't mind the learning curve.

A funny paralell is 3rd party developers with SONY - the developers saying the PS3 sucks and is too hard to develop for are the ones that just don't want to take the time to learn the system - but the few who have taken the time to learn the system absolutely love developing for the PS3.

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

Ugh, I'm embarrassed of these guys already. 4.5 isn't just a couple minor issues, or "coats of paint" or anything of the like. 4.5 means the reviewers absolutely hated it, and now instead of burying their heads in the sand, they keep calling attention to it. Soon enough Julian will say something dumb and I'll be groaning while lems and even sheep laugh at us.

I haven't played the game yet either, but I wish they would shut up about the reviews and reviewers.

What I am pissed off about are the previews from all the gaming publications. Why didn't one of them feel the need to speak up and tell us or even better, tell Factor 5, how bad they thought the controls were? All of the "hands-on" features didn't say a damn thing about the controls, and then when it's released they suddenly hate it. Either they didn't have a problem with the controls until they read IGN's review, or they did have a problem and didn't say a word about it. They screwed us one way or the other, and I'm not happy about it.

XL83

This is actually a very good point you made. Why didn't any of the gaming journalists find the controls totally iffy when they were previewing the game? Weird. I think because of the responses from the previews Factor 5 was receiving, maybe they looked as though they were on the right path by using motion sensing only. I guess this is what happens when you are given bad feedback.

Maybe they should put a label on the game saying "SKILL REQUIRED"gamenux

haha classic.

[QUOTE="jackle2071"][QUOTE="dewmandew7"][QUOTE="jackle2071"]

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

The_Rick_14

"Primerly"?

Anyway, the Sixaxis works, just not for big things like flying. Well, actually, it works for flying very well, it just takes a bit of a learning curve.

P.S. this not english class =)

this may not be english class but there's a spell check button. Wouldn't be a terrible idea to use it, would it?

Would people get over spelling already...

Anyways, I never had a problem with the controls, my gripe with the game is the camera in some situations. Like the mission when defending the bridge, the camera really sucked in that mission. Or when locking on the dark dragons it seems we just go in circles and I can't get closer to it to tackle it.

Well the mass majority of the world thinks it's crap! their is a lessson in all this. Choice is a "Good Thing" next time don't force people to use the taky Motion controlls in the SIXAXIS. this is not the Wii... all games for the PS3 should Primerly Revolve around 2 analog sticks and 8 buttons. add the fancy crap in latter...

jackle2071

agreed

People need to stop following review like it's the only thing that matters. Don't judge a game before you play it. I've got friends who bought lair and love it. Not one complained about the controls like these"professional reviewers who specialised in gaming".

Good thing I don't come to Gamespot for reviews...

I think that by now the bias against anything that isn't on a 360 is pretty evident.

Good thing I don't come to Gamespot for reviews...

I think that by now the bias against anything that isn't on a 360 is pretty evident.

LookOutSnake

I wouldn't go quite that far - look at the Ninja Gaiden Sigma review. GS rated it VERY high - a 9.0 and an Editors Choice award - and guess what - it's a PS3 exclusive. :)

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

swordfish_64

the controls are fine

Lair is awesome !!

Maybe they should put a label on the game saying "SKILL REQUIRED"gamenux

Or have one of those intel stickers "SUCKAGE INSIDE"

Didn't the Players average review of 5.something showed pretty much what the majority thought of this game?

The player review session are those who enjoyed the game, or else they wouldn't even bother with it.

[QUOTE="swordfish_64"]

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

-Ven-

EXACTLY!!! I'll take it a step further and say that this is a prime example of why when I come to this site, I pay for attention to the user reviews than the Reviewers! Gamespot has REALLY bad habit of underrating games for the stupidest reasons (i.e. Chaos Legion). The controls aren't even as bad as the reviewer was claiming....I learned it fairly well after like the first2 missions. I think thattheinnovativeness of its controls(if thats a word) worked against it and the reviewer and many others are resistant to change in percieved typical gameplay.

I do find it strange that alot of "owners" are positive about the game, but reviewers (Guys who only have a couple o'hours a day to test the game) are negative.

Maybe because the controls are not suited for those who "rush" the game ?

Does anyone remember the transition between arcade and home console, and the transition between gamepad and analog control? It's the samething that's happening all over again.

As for the wii, there are a lot of games rated badly for the "bad" control as well. For example, red steel, anyone?

I also played games that reviewers think that have great controls, for example:call of duty 4 on wii, and I think the control is totally totally stupid and doesn't mimic a real gun at all. But because it acted like a mouse, reviewers love it.

Didn't the Players average review of 5.something showed pretty much what the majority thought of this game?

The player review session are those who enjoyed the game, or else they wouldn't even bother with it.

pigsybum

why don't you go in there and check those who actually left a review, even it's just a few sentences?

http://www.psu.com/Factor-5-President-tries-to-explain-LAIR-reviews-News--a0001205-p0.php

I am enjoying the heck outta this game, basically, I'll summarize the negative reviews, "I can't play this game right, so the game sucks, Isuck at the controls, ergo the game must suck too, listen to me, I'm a professional video game reviewer, only buy games that I'm good at and that I like."

swordfish_64

Eventhough I agree with what he said, there's always room to put an extra option for the analog stick.

[QUOTE="LookOutSnake"]

Good thing I don't come to Gamespot for reviews...

I think that by now the bias against anything that isn't on a 360 is pretty evident.

DataDream

I wouldn't go quite that far - look at the Ninja Gaiden Sigma review. GS rated it VERY high - a 9.0 and an Editors Choice award - and guess what - it's a PS3 exclusive. :)

But what about the low score for Resistance? The super low score for VF5 (online capability doesn't MAKE the game)?

And I'm not just talking about PS3 reviews...what about the low ratings for Twilight Princess and Corruption?

What about the higher than average scores for Kameo, DOA4, Perfect Dark 0, and GoW (though everybody overrated that one simply for the graphics...BioShock is WAAAAAAAY better).

Not to mention, how can I trust what they say about the controls for Lair when they said that the SIXAXIS control for the Snakecam in R6: Vegas was difficult to use and I haven't had a problem?