Im on chapter 6 and i was wondering what other ppl (including hardcore fans of the series) think of the combat in the game. So far i have enjoyed the game but i have had mixed feelings on combat. Theres depth to it but i guess not exactly where i would prefer it. This is just my own opinion but it seems like you have your hand in every aspect of the battle except the fighting part. More like your the coach instead of the player. You call the formation but the computer picks the play you know. I think it would have been better if it had been turn based. Id like to hear what everyone else thinks
FF 13 combat?
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Well i cant say i dont like it at all, then again i may just be hard up for a good jrpg lol. Anyway im with you on the part about the combat i feel, at least so far that im not doing much but watching the action and my partys health bar only able to control what mode they are in but not what they use cause lots of times i can think of some pretty good stratigies with the options that are available but you really don't have time to put in da commands and do everything else so like you said its easier to just let the computer do it and thats kinda heartbreaking for me.
All the combat you have throughout the whole story chapters are easy and aren't that strategic,i'd suggest after finishing the game trying the higher tier c'ieth mission,some of them require alot of strategy and alot of padigram shifts.But it's true that the game does alot of things for you but i guess square-enix were trying to make the game have an action feel for it and make it look cool,for better or worse.
I think the combat is one of the better systems. And was the other Final Fantasies combat system really that deep anyway? You could get through the games by just using attack. Sure there were a lot of spells such as sleep and all that but half of the enemies were immune to "crowd control" and the other half had like 60% to resist them so you could spend three turns trying to sleep them or you could just kill them.
I assure you it was a lot more than just hitting attack.I think the combat is one of the better systems. And was the other Final Fantasies combat system really that deep anyway? You could get through the games by just using attack. Sure there were a lot of spells such as sleep and all that but half of the enemies were immune to "crowd control" and the other half had like 60% to resist them so you could spend three turns trying to sleep them or you could just kill them.
xWoW_Rougex
im glad the combat has strayed from the "walking around and randomly getting attacked" to a "walking around and having the ability to run away or attack" option lol
the combat system itself requires minimal effort to control, especially if you use Libra and then Auto-Attack the target. Simply button mashing X as soon as the battle begins is not that much of a challenge.
i didnt think i would, but i actually enjoyed Final Fantasy 12's battle system as it was more of an on-the-go attack/defend/heal process.
overall, i wasnt impressed with the battle system, or for that matter, the lack of side quests, but the visuals are stunning and shows how well the developement team at square-enix get things done.
p.s. - games was wayyy to linear for a ff rpg.
Yeah like i said they did well with the visuals that part you would be hard press to find better. But outside of that the game hurt as. what we would expect to be a top rpg. To me it start with the story. which they did well then combat which they didn't do well at all then round it off with great side quest and rewarding experation, which they really didn't do at all. You know that feeling that you get after looking around for hours just to find a awsome spell or item that many others overlooked. The game is lacking in that part.
Well nobody wants to do that anymore apparently. They want everything handed to them on a silver platter and large arrows on their mini map that say "GO HERE TO ADVANCE THE GAME." But large arrows aren't practical so they just made the map one big, giant line with monsters spread sporadically throughout.Yeah like i said they did well with the visuals that part you would be hard press to find better. But outside of that the game hurt as. what we would expect to be a top rpg. To me it start with the story. which they did well then combat which they didn't do well at all then round it off with great side quest and rewarding experation, which they really didn't do at all. You know that feeling that you get after looking around for hours just to find a awsome spell or item that many others overlooked. The game is lacking in that part.
karma1680
I don't mind the part where you see the enemies your going to fight although I prefer the random encounters but I don't like the actual combat. They've taken all the choosing and gave it to the AI. If you wanted to choose your attacks manually you would just lose time and get hit twice the amount of times. I just find it really sloppy. GO BACK TO THE ROOTS!
I'm not enjoying the combat at all. I feel like I'm watching a movie and pressing X to keep it from going into pause mode. I'm only about 10 hours into the game, hopefully it gets better later on, but right now there's no depth to it whatsoever. There's not even any involvement. Auto-attack, then if my health gets low I switch to a different paradigm where somebody's a medic, then once the health gets back up I go back to the offensive paradigm. It's basically abysmal. I remember how much fun I had with FFXII, learning the combat system, leveling up my stuff, arranging my gambits - tons of stuff to keep your mind busy. FFXIII - nothing at all. Press X.
I'm not enjoying the combat at all. I feel like I'm watching a movie and pressing X to keep it from going into pause mode. I'm only about 10 hours into the game, hopefully it gets better later on, but right now there's no depth to it whatsoever. There's not even any involvement. Auto-attack, then if my health gets low I switch to a different paradigm where somebody's a medic, then once the health gets back up I go back to the offensive paradigm. It's basically abysmal. I remember how much fun I had with FFXII, learning the combat system, leveling up my stuff, arranging my gambits - tons of stuff to keep your mind busy. FFXIII - nothing at all. Press X.
Jackc8
lol man! i couldn't have said it better lol. im 17 hours in as of today and other then useing your summons its just what you said the x botton runs the show. I love jrpg's and i think much like wrpg they need to make improvemnts in some areas and need to leave some areas alone. So far it seems like they decided not to do either they said hey lets hypnotize the player with outstanding graphics and colors so they don't notice we took everything out of the game and replaced it with a long hall full of monsters and the devastating x botton lol.
Well it looks to me that im not the only one who thinks SE really did a horrible job on the combat in the game. I plan on finishing the game like i said in a earlier post im 17 hours in and no such luck on the combat improving. Its amazing how they could all sit down and come to an agreement that this combat style would be good at all. But what really has me scratching my head i know all you guys read or watch the reviews on this game they made it sound like the combat was the most complicated and engaging system in FF history. At that point im starting to wonder if reps for SE was sitting there during the review with a brown package in hand waiting to give the reviewer upon a good review lol. Again i don't hate the game theres some very good things about it but we all know combat has a huge part in getting you sucked in once your 10+ hours in, and so far its been nothing but x botton abuse lol
I liked the combat system... early on it may be mashing X, but once you get to the later portions of the game, you need to be smart and quick about your paradigms, or you'll stand no chance.
I liked the combat system... early on it may be mashing X, but once you get to the later portions of the game, you need to be smart and quick about your paradigms, or you'll stand no chance.
Im sure your right, i mean where i am now you have to do a decent bit of changing in order to get that 5 stars but i think its da fact that no matter how many times you have to switch paradigms your still just mashing da x botton while the AI picks what it thinks is da best. for some of us thats not even half way engaging. I know its been many times i could have exploited my enimies if i had control of my attacks but i had to watch da AI pick a decent set of attacks vs. what i could have come up with.
ethanpaige
I haven't played a second of the game myself, but my brother has and I've watched him for at least five hours worth of gameplay. A lot of what you're all saying concerns me, especially because I have a GS friend on this site who ADORES this game (it was his first FF) and I found FFXII to be one of my top three favorite FF games. FFXIII sounds like it took some major steps backwards. That "party leader dies = game over" thing is lame lame lame, as is not being able to control your character's position during battle. The dialogue's also rather cryptic, as usual. Why can't JRPG characters just say what they mean?drummer131
In terms of gameplay, FF13 gets props for being more slick and stylistic than it's predecessor but the actual combat system in FF12 was far superior. Speaking as someone who didn't particularly enjoy FF12 either, I have to say the combat system is far more innovative. Also about the dialogue, that always annoyed me too, particularly in this game because every little cutscene was bordering on melodrama and the things they said just annoyed the hell out of me. HOWEVER, I've been hearing that the translation from Japanese to English is part of the problem because they take the most literal translation and string it along as dialogue. The problem is, western cultures don't speak like this and seeing all the dialogue riddled in metaphors is vague and confusing to us.
Also, I wanted to add, it's not question of difficulty really, because the paradigms do require some thought and quickness when getting to the later sections of the game. The problem is, no matter how you spin it, you're not really in control of the characters both in and out of actual gameplay.
its one of the better combat systems in the series. there is finally an ff combat system that looks as good in action as the cutscenes. thats a huge step forward in merging cutscene and gameplay. the only downside is that the team ai couldve been better. i mean, your teammates will do their main role tasks just fine (healers will always keep you healed as best they can, attackers will always attack as best they can, and so forth), but some of the secondary tasks just arent done well enough. healers struggle with using raise properly (sure, you could use a pheonix down, but thats why you have a healer to begin with), debuffers dont always cast the debuff you want, and that sort of thing. its not as bad as something like persona 3 where your teammates are incompetent, but a more involved control of the ai wouldve been better. its wierd that its coming right after the deep gambit system of ffxii.LoG-Sacramentwell that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours.
I think that many people don't understand the controversial "Auto-Battle" button in this game. People seem to think that it makes the game too easy and it 's essentially a "win" button. I see why people would say that I guess. But people fail to realize that the Auto-Battle button is pretty much the attack button you'd find in any other RPG. FFXIII's battle system is very different from other FF's. There isn't only one action you can take at a time during a characters turn. You have to combine multiple actions into one cohesive action and turn. Which is the exact reason why you need an Auto-Battle button. If you compare the function of the "Attack" button in a game like FFVII, and the "Auto-Battle" button in FFXIII, they essentially do the same thing.
For instance, say you wanna cast Fire on an ice fiend in FFVII. You'd pick Fire and execute the command. With one click. Well, say you wanna do the same thing in FFXIII. You have to pick Fire multiple times to fill your Time Bar queue. With many clicks. So, instead of doing it manually, you let the computer do it with one click. Just as you would with any other FF. With one click. Make sense?
it stupifies the entire system. its bad enough you dont have any control of the other 2 members in your party. it gives you a false sense of command of the leader even!I think that many people don't understand the controversial "Auto-Battle" button in this game. People seem to think that it makes the game too easy and it 's essentially a "win" button. I see why people would say that I guess. But people fail to realize that the Auto-Battle button is pretty much the attack button you'd find in any other RPG. FFXIII's battle system is very different from other FF's. There isn't only one action you can take at a time during a characters turn. You have to combine multiple actions into one cohesive action and turn. Which is the exact reason why you need an Auto-Battle button. If you compare the function of the "Attack" button in a game like FFVII, and the "Auto-Battle" button in FFXIII, they essentially do the same thing.
For instance, say you wanna cast Fire on an ice fiend in FFVII. You'd pick Fire and execute the command. With one click. Well, say you wanna do the same thing in FFXIII. You have to pick Fire multiple times to fill your Time Bar queue. With many clicks. So, instead of doing it manually, you let the computer do it with one click. Just as you would with any other FF. With one click. Make sense?
KH-mixerX
[QUOTE="KH-mixerX"]it stupifies the entire system. its bad enough you dont have any control of the other 2 members in your party. it gives you a false sense of command of the leader even! Correct. Like I said, not a discussion of difficulty. You're left out of the loop in the decision making process and in an RPG, that's not a good quality to have. Instead of playing the role, you're along for the ride, which is why I likened it to an action game instead of an RPG.I think that many people don't understand the controversial "Auto-Battle" button in this game. People seem to think that it makes the game too easy and it 's essentially a "win" button. I see why people would say that I guess. But people fail to realize that the Auto-Battle button is pretty much the attack button you'd find in any other RPG. FFXIII's battle system is very different from other FF's. There isn't only one action you can take at a time during a characters turn. You have to combine multiple actions into one cohesive action and turn. Which is the exact reason why you need an Auto-Battle button. If you compare the function of the "Attack" button in a game like FFVII, and the "Auto-Battle" button in FFXIII, they essentially do the same thing.
For instance, say you wanna cast Fire on an ice fiend in FFVII. You'd pick Fire and execute the command. With one click. Well, say you wanna do the same thing in FFXIII. You have to pick Fire multiple times to fill your Time Bar queue. With many clicks. So, instead of doing it manually, you let the computer do it with one click. Just as you would with any other FF. With one click. Make sense?
starwarsjunky
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]its one of the better combat systems in the series. there is finally an ff combat system that looks as good in action as the cutscenes. thats a huge step forward in merging cutscene and gameplay. the only downside is that the team ai couldve been better. i mean, your teammates will do their main role tasks just fine (healers will always keep you healed as best they can, attackers will always attack as best they can, and so forth), but some of the secondary tasks just arent done well enough. healers struggle with using raise properly (sure, you could use a pheonix down, but thats why you have a healer to begin with), debuffers dont always cast the debuff you want, and that sort of thing. its not as bad as something like persona 3 where your teammates are incompetent, but a more involved control of the ai wouldve been better. its wierd that its coming right after the deep gambit system of ffxii.frostybananawell that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours. oh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how cinematics were presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that.
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]its one of the better combat systems in the series. there is finally an ff combat system that looks as good in action as the cutscenes. thats a huge step forward in merging cutscene and gameplay. the only downside is that the team ai couldve been better. i mean, your teammates will do their main role tasks just fine (healers will always keep you healed as best they can, attackers will always attack as best they can, and so forth), but some of the secondary tasks just arent done well enough. healers struggle with using raise properly (sure, you could use a pheonix down, but thats why you have a healer to begin with), debuffers dont always cast the debuff you want, and that sort of thing. its not as bad as something like persona 3 where your teammates are incompetent, but a more involved control of the ai wouldve been better. its wierd that its coming right after the deep gambit system of ffxii.LoG-Sacramentwell that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours. oh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. attack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why?
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]its one of the better combat systems in the series. there is finally an ff combat system that looks as good in action as the cutscenes. thats a huge step forward in merging cutscene and gameplay. the only downside is that the team ai couldve been better. i mean, your teammates will do their main role tasks just fine (healers will always keep you healed as best they can, attackers will always attack as best they can, and so forth), but some of the secondary tasks just arent done well enough. healers struggle with using raise properly (sure, you could use a pheonix down, but thats why you have a healer to begin with), debuffers dont always cast the debuff you want, and that sort of thing. its not as bad as something like persona 3 where your teammates are incompetent, but a more involved control of the ai wouldve been better. its wierd that its coming right after the deep gambit system of ffxii.LoG-Sacramentwell that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours. oh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. Right, I'm not debating whether it "looks" cool or not. I've said that it's the most stylized FF to date. I completely disagree with the notion that this is just as interactive as any of the other FFs however. The computer selecting your attacks for you is not interaction at all. Moreover, you don't control where your character moves or the positioning in general. Don't be fooled because they move around and give you a false sense of control. They might as WELL be standing stationary because where they go is entirely up to the computer. Which is even MORE stupid because of the AoE attack in the game. You can't guide your character out of danger because the game thinks your too stupid to know how to move a character around a combat field. Like I said, I don't like being left out of the loop and largely automated game just doesn't do it for me. Paradigms is a nice idea, even though it was airlifted from FF12, but all you're really doing is changing roles and auto attacking.
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] well that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours.starwarsjunkyoh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. attack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why? picking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii.
[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] oh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. LoG-Sacramentattack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why? picking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii. so tell me, what exactly are you doing that takes thought?
[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] oh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. LoG-Sacramentattack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why? picking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii. less tedious because the computer does it for you *ahem*
I love it. I felt that it required me to be more actively engaged in battles than any previous "recent" FF - FFVI~XII. The focus on paradigm shifting kept even common battles from becoming monotonous with the usual attack attack attack attack attack. I think it's definitely a step up from FFXII's system, in which most battles could be won by simply going up to an enemy and watching the battle unfold. I should note that I don't use auto battle - an optional feature that didn't make it into the game until sometime after the demo was released.
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] well that's basically my problem with the game. if it's merging cutscene and gameplay then the whole game is essentially you walking in a straight line and watching cutscenes for 60 hours. did I really just pay 60 dollars to watch a 60 hour long movie? Might've been OK if I wasn't WALKING in a straight line for 20 of those hours.frostybananaoh, where to start with this? the combat is just as interactive as any other ff main game. its always been the case that you (as the player) select attacks rather than do them yourself (like dirge of cerberus). the "merging of cutscene and gameplay" is a statement on the presentation of the game. in many of the past main entries, your characters automatically line up opposite a line of enemies, one character steps forward and attacks only to fall back into line, and then the process would continue mechanically. then with the advent of the cinematic presentation in the ps1 era, the series introduced cutscenes where those same teammates where flipping around, diving, and doing all sorts of acts of acrobatics. there was a large gap between how in-game combat was presented and how gameplay was presented. ffxiii closed the gap by a large margin by having gameplay that looked on par with cutsscenes. characters flip around, mix up their attacks with combos, juggle opponents, break line formations, and all sorts of things like that. Right, I'm not debating whether it "looks" cool or not. I've said that it's the most stylized FF to date. I completely disagree with the notion that this is just as interactive as any of the other FFs however. The computer selecting your attacks for you is not interaction at all. Moreover, you don't control where your character moves or the positioning in general. Don't be fooled because they move around and give you a false sense of control. They might as WELL be standing stationary because where they go is entirely up to the computer. Which is even MORE stupid because of the AoE attack in the game. You can't guide your character out of danger because the game thinks your too stupid to know how to move a character around a combat field. Like I said, I don't like being left out of the loop and largely automated game just doesn't do it for me. Paradigms is a nice idea, even though it was airlifted from FF12, but all you're really doing is changing roles and auto attacking. thats the thing. there was not a large deliberation in what attacks you picked in past ff games. you cant honestly tell me that you were really thinking over whether to pick attack or quick attack in ffx, or fire or blizzard. there are attacks that are effective and there are attacks that are not. there was not a ton of strategy there. ffxiii eleminates the tedium of picking individual attacks one by one.
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] attack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why?starwarsjunkypicking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii. so tell me, what exactly are you doing that takes thought? also, all you do to find out an enemy's skill is use a little spell. then BOOM!the computer figures EVERYTHING out about it. weaknesses, immunities, EVERYTHING. no guess work, no thinking, trying to figure out what'll be most effective, etc...
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="starwarsjunky"] attack? yes, i agree. want to use magic? okay. but i dont want anyone's brain to hurt, so here, i'll automatically pick the most effective one for you! yay! are you having fun yet? no? why not? i'm just pressing x....you're doing all the work for me. you...you actually want to do something? why?frostybananapicking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii. less tedious because the computer does it for you *ahem* yes. the computer eliminates the mindless parts of computer while leaving the player to control the flow of combat. you still control the entire battlefield.
you still control the entire battlefield. LoG-Sacramentby pressing x
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] picking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii.LoG-Sacramentless tedious because the computer does it for you *ahem* yes. the computer eliminates the mindless parts of computer while leaving the player to control the flow of combat. you still control the entire battlefield. yes it eliminates any sort of thought process not linked to changing roles. the player doesn't control anything. you literally just hit auto attack the whole time. how do you control anything?
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] less tedious because the computer does it for you *ahem*frostybananayes. the computer eliminates the mindless parts of computer while leaving the player to control the flow of combat. you still control the entire battlefield. yes it eliminates any sort of thought process not linked to changing roles. the player doesn't control anything. you literally just hit auto attack the whole time. how do you control anything? it doesnt even let you choose your freakin party til like 2/3 through the freakin game
People seem to forget that auto battle is an optional feature the game was never designed for in the first place. The original concept of the game was the player lining up their own series of moves, which you can see in the original CG concept trailer.l
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you still control the entire battlefield. starwarsjunkyby pressing x
Pressing the confirm button in an RPG? My god! The madness!
[QUOTE="frostybanana"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] yes. the computer eliminates the mindless parts of computer while leaving the player to control the flow of combat. you still control the entire battlefield. starwarsjunkyyes it eliminates any sort of thought process not linked to changing roles. the player doesn't control anything. you literally just hit auto attack the whole time. how do you control anything? it doesnt even let you choose your freakin party til like 2/3 through the freakin game
Neither did FFIX and people love the game.
by pressing xPeople seem to forget that auto battle is an optional feature the game was never designed for in the first place. The original concept of the game was the player lining up their own series of moves, which you can see in the original CG concept trailer.l
[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you still control the entire battlefield. hakanakumono
Pressing the confirm button in an RPG? My god! The madness!
Right, as I explained before, that isn't a plausible option. Why? The game takes place in real time. Realistically speaking, there is no reason to line up your own attacks and it is simply inefficient to do so because while you're picking attacks, you're losing valuable attack time by not letting your ATB gauge refresh.[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"] picking which element you wanted to use in past ff games was never a brain teaser. you found out their weakness and you exploited it. its the same thing in xiii. once you find out the enemy's elemental weakness, you exploit it. its just less tedious in xiii.starwarsjunkyso tell me, what exactly are you doing that takes thought? also, all you do to find out an enemy's skill is use a little spell. then BOOM!the computer figures EVERYTHING out about it. weaknesses, immunities, EVERYTHING. no guess work, no thinking, trying to figure out what'll be most effective, etc...
to answer your first question: not much in past ff games. all there was to do was use the best moves you had unlocked at the time and heal when necessary. its the the same premise in xiii, only streamlined. you attack when you have healthy units and heal when you dont. theres buffing and debuffing too, but its another step or two. the main difference is that xiii put up level caps so you cant be too overpowered and thus have to change through the stages more often.
i remember the spell "scan" as far back as ffvii (although it was probably an earlier addition), and i dont remember people complaining about it back then.
by pressing x.l
[QUOTE="starwarsjunky"][QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"]you still control the entire battlefield. hakanakumono
Pressing the confirm button in an RPG? My god! The madness!
as i said. want to attack? k, i'll do it for you. want to do magic? k, i'll do it for you. want to heal? k, i'll do it for you. you get the point...People seem to forget that auto battle is an optional feature the game was never designed for in the first place. The original concept of the game was the player lining up their own series of moves, which you can see in the original CG concept trailerhakanakumonobut why bother when by default the computer pick THE BEST ONES by default? they shouldve just had an option to disable it. or just had the computer guess if you just do auto commands
[QUOTE="LoG-Sacrament"][QUOTE="frostybanana"] less tedious because the computer does it for you *ahem*frostybananayes. the computer eliminates the mindless parts of computer while leaving the player to control the flow of combat. you still control the entire battlefield. yes it eliminates any sort of thought process not linked to changing roles. the player doesn't control anything. you literally just hit auto attack the whole time. how do you control anything? those attacks were not deep mechanics. like is said before: there was no thought process behind choosing attack or quick attack, fire or blizzard. using your roles together and changing those roles has always been the real process behind ff combat.
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