Game store's Not Recommending PSP Go

Hey guys, yeah i got my new PSP 3000 yesterday, and when i asked the manager of my local Game store which PSP he recommended the PSP 3000 or the PSP-Go, he said he recommends the 3000.

When i asked him why he said well first of all PSN hardly has any PSP disc based games to download and secondly he said the biggest SD card you can have is 16-gb so you wouldn't be able to download too many disc based games anyway, even when they do become available because the average size of a PSP game is between 1.5-gb to a compressed 2-gb in size, so as far as disc based games go you wouldn't be able to hold anymore than 6 or 7 games.

He then said if i got a PSP 3000 with a 2, 4, 8 or 16-gb card i'd have all that space for game saves and DLC, and i wouldn't have to worry about slow down because of the card having gigabytes worth of games already on it.

So that was enough for me, i got a black PSP 3000 and 10 games with an 8-gb SD card.

Cool story, though he lied about a lot of things to youxaos

Yeah, goes to show that game store guys are recommending you buy the 3000 because they want UMD's to stick around...I don't blame them. But as far as what he told you...I have 25 games on my PSP Go's 16gb internal memory with game saves for each of them and I still have about 1.5 gb remaining. PSP games on average are under 1gb.

I'm starting to become upset when I am in a game store and I hear someone ask someone working there a recommendation question and they completely get it wrong. When the Go first came out and I was in the game store an employee tried to tell me that I can use all of my old chargers and USB connecters with the Go. I told him that I thought he was wrong and he didn't like that. I go home to verify what I read previously and I was correct.

Yeah, goes to show that game store guys are recommending you buy the 3000 because they want UMD's to stick around...I don't blame them. But as far as what he told you...I have 25 games on my PSP Go's 16gb internal memory with game saves for each of them and I still have about 1.5 gb remaining. PSP games on average are under 1gb.

I'm starting to become upset when I am in a game store and I hear someone ask someone working there a recommendation question and they completely get it wrong. When the Go first came out and I was in the game store an employee tried to tell me that I can use all of my old chargers and USB connecters with the Go. I told him that I thought he was wrong and he didn't like that. I go home to verify what I read previously and I was correct.

eejus

[QUOTE="xaos"]Cool story, though he lied about a lot of things to youRPG-explorer

Well to an extent. As far as the 3000 being a better choice for someone who wants to experience the PSP's FULL library, he wasn't bs'ing.

It's a better choice for a new, wide eyed PSP owner. Truly the best of both worlds. (DL and UMD wise)

But his memory card facts were a bit off. Not to mention stating that there was any difference at all in the loading speed between 2 memory stored games, just because of the system there on.

Take everything these guys say with a grain of salt, no matter how knowledgeable they may seem. :lol:

In the end there still salesmen..

[QUOTE="eejus"]

Yeah, goes to show that game store guys are recommending you buy the 3000 because they want UMD's to stick around...I don't blame them. But as far as what he told you...I have 25 games on my PSP Go's 16gb internal memory with game saves for each of them and I still have about 1.5 gb remaining. PSP games on average are under 1gb.

I'm starting to become upset when I am in a game store and I hear someone ask someone working there a recommendation question and they completely get it wrong. When the Go first came out and I was in the game store an employee tried to tell me that I can use all of my old chargers and USB connecters with the Go. I told him that I thought he was wrong and he didn't like that. I go home to verify what I read previously and I was correct.

RPG-explorer

First: Mini Games: Flow I guess would be a mini game.

Second: Yes. The Go takes M2 media memory cards, which I do have a 16gb full of music and movies.

Third: You haven't looked into this PSN thing yet. You can delete games off of your memory (the save files will still remain) to make room for other stuff and if you want those games back you can find all games you have bought and redownload them (yes, for free as many times as you want).

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"][QUOTE="eejus"]

Yeah, goes to show that game store guys are recommending you buy the 3000 because they want UMD's to stick around...I don't blame them. But as far as what he told you...I have 25 games on my PSP Go's 16gb internal memory with game saves for each of them and I still have about 1.5 gb remaining. PSP games on average are under 1gb.

I'm starting to become upset when I am in a game store and I hear someone ask someone working there a recommendation question and they completely get it wrong. When the Go first came out and I was in the game store an employee tried to tell me that I can use all of my old chargers and USB connecters with the Go. I told him that I thought he was wrong and he didn't like that. I go home to verify what I read previously and I was correct.

eejus

First: Mini Games: Flow I guess would be a mini game.

Second: Yes. The Go takes M2 media memory cards, which I do have a 16gb full of music and movies.

Third: You haven't looked into this PSN thing yet. You can delete games off of your memory (the save files will still remain) to make room for other stuff and if you want those games back you can find all games you have bought and redownload them (yes, for free as many times as you want).

There are about 250 actual PSP games and 85 PSone games available and there are many good games. Yes, it's not the full library and you probably won't find a lot of older PSP games on it (even though they update every week now and then with an old game or two) and also the price might be higher than buying the actual UMD.

I would say my Go gets about the same amount of battery life as my origional PSP but the thing about it is that the Go's battery is non-replaceable. I'm sure in a few years when the battery starts to have a shortened life there will be a way to replace it....it's hardware, someone will figure it out.

As far as the recommendation, I would say keep the 3000. I travel a lot for work and the Go fits me better. The Go is nice and small and I am one of the people that say the controls feel tighter than any other version...plus I am a bluetooth fanatic and I also own a PSP-1000 so I can still play UMDs but if you own one PSP I would stick with the 3000 because you can play UMDs and still be able to download PSN stuff.

Keep the 3000, from what it seems you made the correct choice. I just get upset hearing about the faulty information some of the stores are telling people.

There are about 250 actual PSP games and 85 PSone games available and there are many good games. Yes, it's not the full library and you probably won't find a lot of older PSP games on it (even though they update every week now and then with an old game or two) and also the price might be higher than buying the actual UMD.

I would say my Go gets about the same amount of battery life as my origional PSP but the thing about it is that the Go's battery is non-replaceable. I'm sure in a few years when the battery starts to have a shortened life there will be a way to replace it....it's hardware, someone will figure it out.

As far as the recommendation, I would say keep the 3000. I travel a lot for work and the Go fits me better. The Go is nice and small and I am one of the people that say the controls feel tighter than any other version...plus I am a bluetooth fanatic and I also own a PSP-1000 so I can still play UMDs but if you own one PSP I would stick with the 3000 because you can play UMDs and still be able to download PSN stuff.

Keep the 3000, from what it seems you made the correct choice. I just get upset hearing about the faulty information some of the stores are telling people.

eejus

Both systems have their ups and downs. When I say tighter I mean that the analog nob has more resistance and the bottons don't feel loose but all of the controls are closer together which can lead to some hand cramping. The location of the nob on the Go works better but for some games makes it harder to play due to the nob being to the right of the d-pad where on regular psp's the nob is below the d-pad. But as far as comfort, personally I prefer the Go a tiny bit more but both systems work just fine and I would not make my judgement of which system on the controls, you will have your complaints about each of them.

My Gamecrazy recommended it to me. Got it and love it.

Both systems have their ups and downs. When I say tighter I mean that the analog nob has more resistance and the bottons don't feel loose but all of the controls are closer together which can lead to some hand cramping. The location of the nob on the Go works better but for some games makes it harder to play due to the nob being to the right of the d-pad where on regular psp's the nob is below the d-pad. But as far as comfort, personally I prefer the Go a tiny bit more but both systems work just fine and I would not make my judgement of which system on the controls, you will have your complaints about each of them.

eejus

There are far too many games that aren't downloadable, so you made a good choice.

There are far too many games that aren't downloadable, so you made a good choice.

Vyylent5

For me it's always been about getting the most options from the library available, and the Go will never be what a 3000 already is. Or in my case, a 2000. If you're all about games which come out from this point on, you're probably making a safe purchase with a Go... if you want the full palate of the PSP, a UMD drive is, for the moment, pretty neccesary.

I like the PSN, I like having games onboard the hardware and not muddling with a UMD, but the established library sitting on my shelf says "No" to the Go. I wish it were different because it IS a sexy piece of hardware and the convenience of the PSN IS rockin'... but my love of some older titles - not to mention some GLARING ommisions - make a UMD drive version ring a bit more true to me.

Sod the price, I would own one if the library were there and I wouldn't have to re-purchase (sometimes $5 and $10 more) the same old titles in order to play them. A 16G card, and I've got most (90%) of the functionalities of a Go, a healthy percentage of which I can seriously live without.

[QUOTE="Vyylent5"]

There are far too many games that aren't downloadable, so you made a good choice.

ston3henge

For me it's always been about getting the most options from the library available, and the Go will never be what a 3000 already is. Or in my case, a 2000. If you're all about games which come out from this point on, you're probably making a safe purchase with a Go... if you want the full palate of the PSP, a UMD drive is, for the moment, pretty neccesary.

I like the PSN, I like having games onboard the hardware and not muddling with a UMD, but the established library sitting on my shelf says "No" to the Go. I wish it were different because it IS a sexy piece of hardware and the convenience of the PSN IS rockin'... but my love of some older titles - not to mention some GLARING ommisions - make a UMD drive version ring a bit more true to me.

Sod the price, I would own one if the library were there and I wouldn't have to re-purchase (sometimes $5 and $10 more) the same old titles in order to play them. A 16G card, and I've got most (90%) of the functionalities of a Go, a healthy percentage of which I can seriously live without.

I think the 2 psp 2000's that I have are just fine. I bought a couple extra 4 gb memory sticks to dl as many psn store purchases as I like. I also have the option to play my umd's and trade them in if I choose. Also, you can buy a game on umd for a lot less than the psn store is charging on a lot of items.

I think the 2 psp 2000's that I have are just fine. I bought a couple extra 4 gb memory sticks to dl as many psn store purchases as I like. I also have the option to play my umd's and trade them in if I choose. Also, you can buy a game on umd for a lot less than the psn store is charging on a lot of items.

phoenyx9

Everyone is making very well thought out and valid points. I'm glad to see this as a discussion rather than a fight.

I don't think anybody's mentioned that 32 gigs isn't the highest amount of storage space it's possible to have. If you fill up a memory card, it's really easy to just take it out and insert another. Basically, it comes down to carrying around 48 gigs worth of UMD's, or carrying around two memory cards, (one of which will always be inside your PSP.)

UMDs are noisy

:roll:

Dude.Dont listen to those morons at gamestop buy whatever you like.As others said they just want you to buy a psp-3000 to buy UMD's from there store.And why are you asking them advice on your purchase,it's your own money buy a PSPGo...I would buy one too but there pretty pricey..:(XThisIsTheEndxX

Oh believe me i intended on doing what i wanted, but i was just putting some feelers out there to see who likes which console and why ? and as i said in the end the PSP Go was just a better fit for me, i prefer the button layout on the Go to the PSP 3000, and i already checked the PSN store and they have the 10 UMD games i traded on there for download so i'm not losing anything.

Besides the comfort and portability without carrying around all the UMD's and running back and forth to a game store which has less than half of the PSP game library that exists, is something i don't have to worry about anymore, i just hop on PSN download my favorite games and in the future i check reviews of games that might interest me and go get them from PSN and i'm done. Simple, easy and in my opinion better.

Anyway i already discovered that the PSP-Go has better sound and a sharper picture than the 3000, they said it has something to do with the exact amount of pixels that the 3000 had being shown on the smaller screen of the Go,,,well what ever the reason is,,,i like it.

even though they update every week now and then with an old game or two

eejus

that sentance is a bit win :D

Well he wasn't wrong about the poor selection. SCEA in particular has done an awful job getting PSP games of any worth up on the store.ViewtifulScott

[QUOTE="RPG-explorer"][QUOTE="xaos"]Cool story, though he lied about a lot of things to youxaos

Hundreds yeah... but not all the UMD games are available for the GO users and I betcha they won't be. In fact it's not even mandatory for games to be put up on the PSN, it's the developers decision. Your pretty much shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to game choice because the 3000 can play the exact same games and then more. Do I reccommend GO to customers when they come in buying a PSP? No, I don't. That said I do go over both the pros and cons with people that come in and buy them where I work for both versions-- it's just that I see more pros in the 3000's favor than that of the GO.

It's interesting, everyone has very different tastes and very well thought out decisions concerning their purchases.

the one thing that has made me consider the psp go is the different layout for analog stick and d pad. I'm a guitar player with multiple surgeries in my left hand.Sometimes cramping can be an issue with my psp 2000.

[QUOTE="xaos"][QUOTE="RPG-explorer"] Such as ?FallofAthens

Hundreds yeah... but not all the UMD games are available for the GO users and I betcha they won't be. In fact it's not even mandatory for games to be put up on the PSN, it's the developers decision. Your pretty much shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to game choice because the 3000 can play the exact same games and then more. Do I reccommend GO to customers when they come in buying a PSP? No, I don't. That said I do go over both the pros and cons with people that come in and buy them where I work for both versions-- it's just that I see more pros in the 3000's favor than that of the GO.

It's interesting, everyone has very different tastes and very well thought out decisions concerning their purchases.

the one thing that has made me consider the psp go is the different layout for analog stick and d pad. I'm a guitar player with multiple surgeries in my left hand.Sometimes cramping can be an issue with my psp 2000.

phoenyx9

It's interesting, everyone has very different tastes and very well thought out decisions concerning their purchases.

the one thing that has made me consider the psp go is the different layout for analog stick and d pad. I'm a guitar player with multiple surgeries in my left hand.Sometimes cramping can be an issue with my psp 2000.

phoenyx9

[QUOTE="phoenyx9"]

It's interesting, everyone has very different tastes and very well thought out decisions concerning their purchases.

the one thing that has made me consider the psp go is the different layout for analog stick and d pad. I'm a guitar player with multiple surgeries in my left hand.Sometimes cramping can be an issue with my psp 2000.

RPG-explorer

that is good to know, maybe when I have some spare cash I'll pick up a psp go. Anything to save wear and tear on my left hand!

[QUOTE="phoenyx9"]

It's interesting, everyone has very different tastes and very well thought out decisions concerning their purchases.

the one thing that has made me consider the psp go is the different layout for analog stick and d pad. I'm a guitar player with multiple surgeries in my left hand.Sometimes cramping can be an issue with my psp 2000.

JNKtastic

I think it has to do with the slimness of the 2000. my old phatty didn't bother me as much, but it broke a while ago. I have a playgear pocket slim and I love it for protecting my psp, but its more comfortable for me to play the psp without it.

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] There are hundreds of formerly UMD and PS1-only games available on the PSN, there are 16 GB built in to the Go, and it can take an additional 16 GB memory stick and very few games crack the 1 GB barrier and even multi disc PS1 games are all under 2 GB.RPG-explorer

Hundreds yeah... but not all the UMD games are available for the GO users and I betcha they won't be. In fact it's not even mandatory for games to be put up on the PSN, it's the developers decision. Your pretty much shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to game choice because the 3000 can play the exact same games and then more. Do I reccommend GO to customers when they come in buying a PSP? No, I don't. That said I do go over both the pros and cons with people that come in and buy them where I work for both versions-- it's just that I see more pros in the 3000's favor than that of the GO.

Your infos a little off man. Not saying you can't like your new PSP GO, just don't feel like you have to justify it. The difference in processor speed is from 333MHz to a max 480 MHz.Sony has already stated no "PSP GO Only" games will be released, so the only time your going to utilize this boost is file transfer and framerate refresh. The screen is the exact same resolution, 480x272. The screen size is 3.8 compared to the x000 model's 4.3. Not nearly enough for the "high def" effect of a smaller screen producing a better image, not to mention there IS no change in pixels.

The screen is brighter, and I've seen nothing to prove the sound is sharper, (nor has Sony released anything supporting this). The speaker placement is just different. Therefore again, sounding DIFFERENT. These 250 games are everything on the PSN, not everything released for the PSP GO. The PSN has been around a lot longer.

Hate to break it to ya, but the entire PSP library will NEVER be on the PSN. Licensing rights are far more complicated than just putting up the games gamers would like to play. Hope for 70% of all releases if that. The process is going to be slow and painful. Whats in bold is sheer irony. You need to familiarize yourself with the specs of each "new" PSP model released over the years. Releasing "price traps" and models with miniscule improvement over the last has been Sony's process the entire time.

As already stated there is no "better" model, they are just different for different individuals. Both have pros, both have cons. This is the reason why the 3000 is still in full production side by side with the PSP GO. So just like your hardware man, no need to make others do the same..

I'm talking about strictly hardware, doesn't matter how you compress the file. But your right, the PSP (in general) does have pretty solid audio quality.

Too bad the "minidisk era" was so short lived. Man those things came and went..

I'm talking about strictly hardware, doesn't matter how you compress the file. But your right, the PSP (in general) does have pretty solid audio quality.

Too bad the "minidisk era" was so short lived. Man those things came and went..

lostcali8

[QUOTE="FallofAthens"]

[QUOTE="xaos"] There are hundreds of formerly UMD and PS1-only games available on the PSN, there are 16 GB built in to the Go, and it can take an additional 16 GB memory stick and very few games crack the 1 GB barrier and even multi disc PS1 games are all under 2 GB.RPG-explorer

Hundreds yeah... but not all the UMD games are available for the GO users and I betcha they won't be. In fact it's not even mandatory for games to be put up on the PSN, it's the developers decision. Your pretty much shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to game choice because the 3000 can play the exact same games and then more. Do I reccommend GO to customers when they come in buying a PSP? No, I don't. That said I do go over both the pros and cons with people that come in and buy them where I work for both versions-- it's just that I see more pros in the 3000's favor than that of the GO.

I don't have high hopes they are going to bring the majority of games to the PSN. You can have all the slightly better upgrades all you want but if you can't play the game you want to play whats the point? I mean, yeah it's been out a few months but Sony hasn't shown much progress in putting their games on the PSN with the very lousy updates of older PSP games on the PSN. What one or three older games a month? And I don't count PSone games nor brand new titles. I'm talking about games that have been out before October when the GO came out. At the rate Sony's going By the time they finally get most of the games on their they'll already have the next thing out.

Don't get me wrong the system istelf is pretty good, I'll admit games do look better and does look like it would be easier to carry around but I just don't see the overall value if your main focus is just playing games on it. Plus given the fact you have to access to internet to actually get any games on the GO, people who can't afford the Internet or don't have access to a Wi-fi spot are left pretty high and dry. And it's all to common around here.

First of all, as an audio professional for the last 25 years working in recording studios and live all over the world, MINI DISC SUCKS. It was a failure of a format for a variety of reasons, the most pertinent being that the data compression effected the sonic quality to the point where deaf 90 year-olds could tell it wasn't right.

That said, I like my PSP... Go owners like their Go (and RIGHTLY so, it's a sexy beast). There is no right or wrong, just simply what you want to play. I'm one of those gamers who plays a good part of the 30% of older games which will never be "ported" to the Go, so I need UMD. If I could shift away from it and still get the quality and quantity of gaming out of it I would... but I (we) can't, so it's a pass. Not a FAIL, but a pass.

That's all.

If you're cool with a Go, more power... wish I saw it the same.

First of all, as an audio professional for the last 25 years working in recording studios and live all over the world, MINI DISC SUCKS. It was a failure of a format for a variety of reasons, the most pertinent being that the data compression effected the sonic quality to the point where deaf 90 year-olds could tell it wasn't right.

That said, I like my PSP... Go owners like their Go (and RIGHTLY so, it's a sexy beast). There is no right or wrong, just simply what you want to play. I'm one of those gamers who plays a good part of the 30% of older games which will never be "ported" to the Go, so I need UMD. If I could shift away from it and still get the quality and quantity of gaming out of it I would... but I (we) can't, so it's a pass. Not a FAIL, but a pass.

That's all.

If you're cool with a Go, more power... wish I saw it the same.

ston3henge

From Wiki:

"Sony's ATRAC codec differs from uncompressed PCM in that it is apsychoacoustic loss audio data compression scheme, so decompression of the compressed signal will not yield the original signal, although the compressed signal may sound identical to the original to the listener."

Essentially what that means is, the computer makes decisions about what your brain needs in order to reconstruct the audio signal, and throws the rest away. The problem with that is that your brain is a LOT more complicated than a computer, and we as professionals (honestly) could hear the lack of information in the reconstructed audio (loss of over-all dynamic range - less lows and less highs)... Perhaps the average user couldn't hear the exact difference, but the industry has had it's share of bad sounding storage mediums (cassette tape being the worst due to noise floor and mylar backing thickness issues leading to stretched tape and inaccurate playback, etc. - the format should have died a lot sooner than it's 25 year run indicates, but the convenience was too tempting so it stayed), and we weren't about to embrace an even worse decision... which is what mini disc is, ultimately. Inferior to the original source to the point of degradation.

People have the same feelings about MP3 technology. That the audio is getting short-changed, and we as pros feel that it's ultimately ripping the listener off of a proper aural experience. I myself have begun to embrace the tech behind iPods, etc. but that is because the industry has shown a massive and somewhat inexorable swing in that direction (as it did with cassette) and we should find ways to make it better, not complain and call the public morons... my feeling is that we should begin to engineer albums, etc. separately and specifically for the MP3 technology (as we did by re-mastering older albums for CD after it was determined that older LP mastering doesn't quite "fit" when printed to a CD, it didn't sound as good as the amount of information viamechanical transference of an LP)... but I get a lot of disrespect from my peers when I bring it up at E.A.R.S. and NARAS meetings...

:?

They call me a kook.

And perhaps I am...

Sorry to go waaaaayyy off topic, but I thought since the discussion started here I would make the response public as well, JNK... sorry if this post gets the topic locked (the mods love to pick on me), but I thought it pertinent.

From Wiki:

"Sony's ATRAC codec differs from uncompressed PCM in that it is apsychoacoustic loss audio data compression scheme, so decompression of the compressed signal will not yield the original signal, although the compressed signal may sound identical to the original to the listener."

Essentially what that means is, the computer makes decisions about what your brain needs in order to reconstruct the audio signal, and throws the rest away. The problem with that is that your brain is a LOT more complicated than a computer, and we as professionals (honestly) could hear the lack of information in the reconstructed audio (loss of over-all dynamic range - less lows and less highs)... Perhaps the average user couldn't hear the exact difference, but the industry has had it's share of bad sounding storage mediums (cassette tape being the worst due to noise floor and mylar backing thickness issues leading to stretched tape and inaccurate playback, etc. - the format should have died a lot sooner than it's 25 year run indicates, but the convenience was too tempting so it stayed), and we weren't about to embrace an even worse decision... which is what mini disc is, ultimately. Inferior to the original source to the point of degradation.

People have the same feelings about MP3 technology. That the audio is getting short-changed, and we as pros feel that it's ultimately ripping the listener off of a proper aural experience. I myself have begun to embrace the tech behind iPods, etc. but that is because the industry has shown a massive and somewhat inexorable swing in that direction (as it did with cassette) and we should find ways to make it better, not complain and call the public morons... my feeling is that we should begin to engineer albums, etc. separately and specifically for the MP3 technology (as we did by re-mastering older albums for CD after it was determined that older LP mastering doesn't quite "fit" when printed to a CD, it didn't sound as good as the amount of information viamechanical transference of an LP)... but I get a lot of disrespect from my peers when I bring it up at E.A.R.S. and NARAS meetings...

:?

They call me a kook.

And perhaps I am...

Sorry to go waaaaayyy off topic, but I thought since the discussion started here I would make the response public as well, JNK... sorry if this post gets the topic locked (the mods love to pick on me), but I thought it pertinent.

ston3henge

that is why analog will always sound better than digital. it sound's less stark and warmer. This is coming from a musician that prefersanalog effects for my guitar than digital. Alsoa good quality vinyl record will always sound better than a cd, until it starts to get worn.