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#1 JVevV-3J2a87
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I'm about to buy my first hd tv, any reccomandations? Be adviced of a pretty strict budget I'm also thinking of getting a 720p since most PS3 games are native 720p and its cheaper. What are the best/durable brands out there?

THX in advance!

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#2 BlackhawkBix
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I went to Walmart, and got a Phillips 33.5 for $335. It looks great with the PS3.

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#3 Azurathe
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Without actually stating what your budget is, nobody is going to be able to help much. Best advice I can give is don't cheap out. Save up some more cash and do it right the first time.
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#4 JVevV-3J2a87
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my main thing is will a 720p be good enough?since most games are ps3 games are native 720p? I don't want go get a 1080p and most games use 720p, in my case it could be a sollid 720p or a cheap 1080p. (where I live most electronics are almost double the normal price sinds we import almost all items :s)

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If you're on a budget, I'd just buy a LCD monitor.
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hdtv should be 1080p with a good rate of reponse like 5ms is what i will buy.160 view angle.lcd of course, plasma is out of question for games

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#7 JVevV-3J2a87
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for instance what i have as a "target" right now is a sony 32" 720p $540 w/1 year warrantee(thats how expensive $%@ are over here) but 1080's go for @ $950(too rich for my blood hehe) but IF it's worth it i will save to get it :(

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Get a Sony 42 inch Full HD tv. Don't buy a HD ready tv.
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#9 JVevV-3J2a87
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thx again for youre feedback guys!, why is that death?

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Read the reviews of the specific models you're interested in. Sometimes a certain brand may generally be good, but there are a lot of problems with a specific model or something like that. Also, instead of worrying about the reliability of a certain brand (read the reviews of course), just buy from a store that has a good policy when it comes to fixing them. That's why I bought my HDTV from Best Buy - if something goes wrong, I can take it back there and they actually have a service department. A lot better than buying one at some discount outfit where they just tell you to contact the manufacturer and then box it up and send it back to China yourself.

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#11 JVevV-3J2a87
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wow good point jack!,, what tv did u get btw??

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#12 JVevV-3J2a87
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*bump!

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I spent a lot of time researching before I bought my HDTV. Here's the basic rundown of what you wanna look for.

Best Brands:

Plasma - Pioneer.
LED - Samsung, LG.
LCD
- Samsung, Sharp AQUOS, LG, and Sony.
DLP - Mitsubishi.

In regards to 1080p vs 720p: True, most games are 720p Native with the exceptions being some downloadable games and Blu-Ray movies. My advice? If the TV you plan on getting is under 40", don't worry about it being 1080p. 40+" and you should make sure it's 1080p Full HD. Also, if possible you want a refresh time of at least 120hz. 60hz is standard, but realize that the higher your refresh rate is, the lower the chance of screen tearing and onscreen images will look better with less chance of pixel trails.

Plasma no longer causes the infamous "plasma burn", but they are still very pricey with a lower shelf life than other TVs. My advice? Get either an LCD (or an LED if you can afford it). If you want a bigger TV for less money then DLP may be a viable option for you.

So here are the basics:

If the TV is < 40", 1080p = Not important.
Look for refresh rates of 120hz and response times around 5ms if possible.
The above listed brands are the best in their respective categories. Compare whatever TV you're looking at to them to compare / contrast differences in quality.

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#15 JVevV-3J2a87
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wow! THX alot ryan!! that was the info I was looking for! thx allot bro that will help with my searching for the best tv(in my case) :)

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No problem, dude. :)

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I spent a lot of time researching before I bought my HDTV. Here's the basic rundown of what you wanna look for.

Best Brands:

Plasma - Pioneer.
LED - Samsung, LG.
LCD
- Samsung, Sharp AQUOS, LG, and Sony.
DLP - Mitsubishi.

In regards to 1080p vs 720p: True, most games are 720p Native with the exceptions being some downloadable games and Blu-Ray movies. My advice? If the TV you plan on getting is under 40", don't worry about it being 1080p. 40+" and you should make sure it's 1080p Full HD. Also, if possible you want a refresh time of at least 120hz. 60hz is standard, but realize that the higher your refresh rate is, the lower the chance of screen tearing and onscreen images will look better with less chance of pixel trails.

Plasma no longer causes the infamous "plasma burn", but they are still very pricey with a lower shelf life than other TVs. My advice? Get either an LCD (or an LED if you can afford it). If you want a bigger TV for less money then DLP may be a viable option for you.

So here are the basics:

If the TV is < 40", 1080p = Not important.
Look for refresh rates of 120hz and response times around 5ms if possible.
The above listed brands are the best in their respective categories. Compare whatever TV you're looking at to them to compare / contrast differences in quality.

Ryan_Som



To say you spent a lot of time researching, you got the most basic thing wrong.

1080p is the same be it at 20" or ay 100", it depends on your viewing distance, but if both are viewed from the correct distance a 20" 1080p TV will look no different to a 100" TV. So stating under 40" for 1080p is not important is totally wrong.

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While I know it is tempting to go for a 720p right now since most of the games are in currently 720p, most doesn't mean all. There are a few games that are 1080p. Not to mentioin that more games will be in 1080p. Not to mention the fact that you may be watching blu-ray movies with your PS3 and you'll love watching them in full 1080p rather than just 720p.

I recommend waiting a bit longer and getting a full 1080p. You won't regret it.

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I recommend a Full HDTV (1080p) because in the future there will be more games that they will support 1080i/1080p... Also, I recommend a Good Samsung.
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[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

I spent a lot of time researching before I bought my HDTV. Here's the basic rundown of what you wanna look for.

Best Brands:

Plasma - Pioneer.
LED - Samsung, LG.
LCD
- Samsung, Sharp AQUOS, LG, and Sony.
DLP - Mitsubishi.

In regards to 1080p vs 720p: True, most games are 720p Native with the exceptions being some downloadable games and Blu-Ray movies. My advice? If the TV you plan on getting is under 40", don't worry about it being 1080p. 40+" and you should make sure it's 1080p Full HD. Also, if possible you want a refresh time of at least 120hz. 60hz is standard, but realize that the higher your refresh rate is, the lower the chance of screen tearing and onscreen images will look better with less chance of pixel trails.

Plasma no longer causes the infamous "plasma burn", but they are still very pricey with a lower shelf life than other TVs. My advice? Get either an LCD (or an LED if you can afford it). If you want a bigger TV for less money then DLP may be a viable option for you.

So here are the basics:

If the TV is < 40", 1080p = Not important.
Look for refresh rates of 120hz and response times around 5ms if possible.
The above listed brands are the best in their respective categories. Compare whatever TV you're looking at to them to compare / contrast differences in quality.

shawty1984



To say you spent a lot of time researching, you got the most basic thing wrong.

1080p is the same be it at 20" or ay 100", it depends on your viewing distance, but if both are viewed from the correct distance a 20" 1080p TV will look no different to a 100" TV. So stating under 40" for 1080p is not important is totally wrong.

Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40". The main reason it IS noticeable on a PC monitor when playing PC games is because your viewing distance is so close.

So in short, yes, I know it makes a difference. But it's not AS big a difference if either A) Your viewing distance isn't that close or B) Your TV isn't that big.

That's all I was trying to say.

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i suggest that you buy LG LED tv place it in your room and play all day..:D

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#22 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

I spent a lot of time researching before I bought my HDTV. Here's the basic rundown of what you wanna look for.

Best Brands:

Plasma - Pioneer.
LED - Samsung, LG.
LCD
- Samsung, Sharp AQUOS, LG, and Sony.
DLP - Mitsubishi.

In regards to 1080p vs 720p: True, most games are 720p Native with the exceptions being some downloadable games and Blu-Ray movies. My advice? If the TV you plan on getting is under 40", don't worry about it being 1080p. 40+" and you should make sure it's 1080p Full HD. Also, if possible you want a refresh time of at least 120hz. 60hz is standard, but realize that the higher your refresh rate is, the lower the chance of screen tearing and onscreen images will look better with less chance of pixel trails.

Plasma no longer causes the infamous "plasma burn", but they are still very pricey with a lower shelf life than other TVs. My advice? Get either an LCD (or an LED if you can afford it). If you want a bigger TV for less money then DLP may be a viable option for you.

So here are the basics:

If the TV is < 40", 1080p = Not important.
Look for refresh rates of 120hz and response times around 5ms if possible.
The above listed brands are the best in their respective categories. Compare whatever TV you're looking at to them to compare / contrast differences in quality.

Ryan_Som



To say you spent a lot of time researching, you got the most basic thing wrong.

1080p is the same be it at 20" or ay 100", it depends on your viewing distance, but if both are viewed from the correct distance a 20" 1080p TV will look no different to a 100" TV. So stating under 40" for 1080p is not important is totally wrong.

Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40". The main reason it IS noticeable on a PC monitor when playing PC games is because your viewing distance is so close.

So in short, yes, I know it makes a difference. But it's not AS big a difference if either A) Your viewing distance isn't that close or B) Your TV isn't that big.

That's all I was trying to say.



I still have a problem with this.

Get rid of this statement and your fine - "Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40"

Saying what you said above is simply wrong. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100" Its the same thing, same resolution same amount of pixels, it is always going to be the same, resolution is fixed, it does not change. Its the viewing distance that needs to change.

Your just making it harder for yourself and others reading this by incudling that statement that you did which is totally wrong.

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#23 hardyfan8
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[QUOTE="JVevV-3J2a87"]

I'm about to buy my first hd tv, any reccomandations? Be adviced of a pretty strict budget I'm also thinking of getting a 720p since most PS3 games are native 720p and its cheaper. What are the best/durable brands out there?

THX in advance!

I got a Vizio. They are cheap and a good TV. But if you had the money get a Sony LED LCD.
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#24 JVevV-3J2a87
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thx again guys I do really appreciate the feedbacks! since i'm all new to this "hdtv" stuff i'm going to need all the info I can get! and yes I know a 1080p is going to be the best option for future games that will support it that just makes my decision that much harder :(:S

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[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40". The main reason it IS noticeable on a PC monitor when playing PC games is because your viewing distance is so close.

So in short, yes, I know it makes a difference. But it's not AS big a difference if either A) Your viewing distance isn't that close or B) Your TV isn't that big.

That's all I was trying to say.

shawty1984



I still have a problem with this.

Get rid of this statement and your fine - "Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40"

Saying what you said above is simply wrong. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100" Its the same thing, same resolution same amount of pixels, it is always going to be the same, resolution is fixed, it does not change. Its the viewing distance that needs to change.

Your just making it harder for yourself and others reading this by incudling that statement that you did which is totally wrong.

How is that incorrect? I didn't say "There's NO difference between 720p and 1080p." I said "On a TV THAT SIZE you're not going to notice the difference as much." That doesn't mean you can't tell a difference. It just means that it will be less noticeable than on a larger TV. Resolution is always the same. Obviously this doesn't change unless the input source is changed.

Most people don't have the proper viewing distance to notice the difference on TVs that size.

And in you still don't like that response, then you're right, I'm wrong. End of story. Happy? :?

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#26 JVevV-3J2a87
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Ow forgot to mention that i won't be that far away from the tv, so it appears that makes a difference huh:question: as i've come to understand you wouldn't be able to tell the difference

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#27 Ryan_Som
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Ow forgot to mention that i won't be that far away from the tv, so it appears that makes a difference huh:question: as i've come to understand you wouldn't be able to tell the difference

JVevV-3J2a87

Jesus, I said I'm sorry! :(

:P

Yes, you'll notice a difference if you're sitting closer to the TV. 1080p is ALWAYS going to be better and more detailed. It's just that statistically speaking most people at a viewing distance of 8-10 feet can't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p on HDTVs under 40". That's ALL I was trying to say.

So yes, do 1080p if possible. Try to find the right balance of resolution, refresh rate, response time, and contrast and all in a decent brand. Narrow that down to fit your budget and you should have your answer of what TV to get.

Like I said, I spent a long time looking at TVs before I got mine, but I had a much higher budget than you and 50+ inches and 1080p was ALWAYS the plan.

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#28 JVevV-3J2a87
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hehe i didn't mean it like that bro no need for appologise, im gratefull for the info!! but seeing as i'm 'probably' going for a 32"(budget-wise), it would save me allot of $ so i'm :) but then again it's still a hard choice to make :P

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#29 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40". The main reason it IS noticeable on a PC monitor when playing PC games is because your viewing distance is so close.

So in short, yes, I know it makes a difference. But it's not AS big a difference if either A) Your viewing distance isn't that close or B) Your TV isn't that big.

That's all I was trying to say.

Ryan_Som



I still have a problem with this.

Get rid of this statement and your fine - "Okay, let me clarify that statement: 1080p is not going to be AS noticeable on a TV under 40"

Saying what you said above is simply wrong. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100" Its the same thing, same resolution same amount of pixels, it is always going to be the same, resolution is fixed, it does not change. Its the viewing distance that needs to change.

Your just making it harder for yourself and others reading this by incudling that statement that you did which is totally wrong.

How is that incorrect? I didn't say "There's NO difference between 720p and 1080p." I said "On a TV THAT SIZE you're not going to notice the difference as much." That doesn't mean you can't tell a difference. It just means that it will be less noticeable than on a larger TV. Resolution is always the same. Obviously this doesn't change unless the input source is changed.

Most people don't have the proper viewing distance to notice the difference on TVs that size.

And in you still don't like that response, then you're right, I'm wrong. End of story. Happy? :?



Its incorrect because like many people, you dont understand resolution.

Resolution is fixed. 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, this does not change just because the screen gets smaller. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100", its the same thing. So saying you wont see much difference on a smaller screen is incorrect. If you are sat at the right distance, a smaller screen will look the same as the larger equivalent. I wish people would understand that larger does not equal better. Its got nothing to do with the screen size itself. Its screen size in relation to your viewing distance.

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Its incorrect because like many people, you dont understand resolution.

Resolution is fixed. 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, this does not change just because the screen gets smaller. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100", its the same thing. So saying you wont see much difference on a smaller screen is incorrect. If you are sat at the right distance, a smaller screen will look the same as the larger equivalent. I wish people would understand that larger does not equal better. Its got nothing to do with the screen size itself. Its screen size in relation to your viewing distance.

shawty1984

Dude, I'm a graphic designer. I UNDERSTAND RESOLUTION. I also studio record, so I'd like to consider myself a bit of an audiophile as well as a videophile. That being said, I misspoke. What I was TRYING to say is that yes, resolution makes a difference. Where did I say it didn't? What I was saying is that on a smaller screen at the distances people typically watch TV from MOST people won't notice a difference. That's NOT saying that there ISN'T a difference. I'm saying that on a smaller scale if you're not close enough, you won't notice it.

Now that the TC has clarified that they WILL be sitting close then yes: They probably WILL notice a difference. Regardless, most games display in 720p and a lot aren't even Native 720p at that. The biggest advantage with 1080p is going to be watching Blu-Rays and playing the handful of downloadable games that are Native 1080p.

As far as me "not understanding resolution" I do know one thing: The bigger the screen, the greater the need for higher resolution. You're gonna notice a larger difference between 720p and 1080p on a large screen because the larger screen needs the higher resolution to look good at that size.

Hell, movie theaters aren't even running at 1080p. 35mm film is technically capable of resolutions much higher than 1080p.

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#31 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Its incorrect because like many people, you dont understand resolution.

Resolution is fixed. 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, this does not change just because the screen gets smaller. 1080p at 20" is the same as 1080p at 100", its the same thing. So saying you wont see much difference on a smaller screen is incorrect. If you are sat at the right distance, a smaller screen will look the same as the larger equivalent. I wish people would understand that larger does not equal better. Its got nothing to do with the screen size itself. Its screen size in relation to your viewing distance.

Ryan_Som

Dude, I'm a graphic designer. I UNDERSTAND RESOLUTION. I also studio record, so I'd like to consider myself a bit of an audiophile as well as a videophile. That being said, I misspoke. What I was TRYING to say is that yes, resolution makes a difference. Where did I say it didn't? What I was saying is that on a smaller screen at the distances people typically watch TV from MOST people won't notice a difference. That's NOT saying that there ISN'T a difference. I'm saying that on a smaller scale if you're not close enough, you won't notice it.

Now that the TC has clarified that they WILL be sitting close then yes: They probably WILL notice a difference. Regardless, most games display in 720p and a lot aren't even Native 720p at that. The biggest advantage with 1080p is going to be watching Blu-Rays and playing the handful of downloadable games that are Native 1080p.

As far as me "not understanding resolution" I do know one thing: The bigger the screen, the greater the need for higher resolution. You're gonna notice a larger difference between 720p and 1080p on a large screen because the larger screen needs the higher resolution to look good at that size.

Hell, movie theaters aren't even running at 1080p. 35mm film is technically capable of resolutions much higher than 1080p.



The comeback people always try to comeback with when they knew they were wrong.

There is no typical or average or whatever you want to call it viewing distance, everyone is different, everyone has different size rooms. What is typical or average to you might be totally different to what is average to me. Hence why you cant use typical viewing distance as there just isnt one. You need to find the persons viewing distance before giving any other advice or your basically wasting your time and the other persons time.

And getting onto the bigger screens, yet again, your wrong. Why cant you understand viewing distance is what matters, not just screen size. You could have a 720p 100" TV and it would look brilliant if you sit far enough back not to notice the seperate pixels. The bigger the screen does not actualy mean higher resolution, again you need to find the viewing distance, please understand this.

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#32 untouchables111
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DO not buy a tv that is 720p that such a waste of money. because you need to remember that you also have blue ray which is 1080p. and i understand that most ps3 games are 720 but that could change in the next few months. you can get a really good 1080p tv cheep. look at Walmart, check bestbuy.com. there are good deals. i saw the other day at walmart they had a 50'' samsung TOc 120Hz 1080p for $1500.00 thats cheep really. when i got my samsung it was $2300.00
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If i were on a budget I would just get a nice monitor like http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236059&cm_re=1080p_monitor-_-24-236-059-_-Product
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The comeback people always try to comeback with when they knew they were wrong.

There is no typical or average or whatever you want to call it viewing distance, everyone is different, everyone has different size rooms. What is typical or average to you might be totally different to what is average to me. Hence why you cant use typical viewing distance as there just isnt one. You need to find the persons viewing distance before giving any other advice or your basically wasting your time and the other persons time.

And getting onto the bigger screens, yet again, your wrong. Why cant you understand viewing distance is what matters, not just screen size. You could have a 720p 100" TV and it would look brilliant if you sit far enough back not to notice the seperate pixels. The bigger the screen does not actualy mean higher resolution, again you need to find the viewing distance, please understand this.

shawty1984

Then riddle me this: Why are there 720p HDTVs 40" and under, but from 40" and up your only option is 1080p? ;)

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#35 ElGreco88
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

The comeback people always try to comeback with when they knew they were wrong.

There is no typical or average or whatever you want to call it viewing distance, everyone is different, everyone has different size rooms. What is typical or average to you might be totally different to what is average to me. Hence why you cant use typical viewing distance as there just isnt one. You need to find the persons viewing distance before giving any other advice or your basically wasting your time and the other persons time.

And getting onto the bigger screens, yet again, your wrong. Why cant you understand viewing distance is what matters, not just screen size. You could have a 720p 100" TV and it would look brilliant if you sit far enough back not to notice the seperate pixels. The bigger the screen does not actualy mean higher resolution, again you need to find the viewing distance, please understand this.

Ryan_Som

Then riddle me this: Why are there 720p HDTVs 40" and under, but from 40" and up your only option is 1080p? ;)

That's not true. My friend has a Samsung 42" that's 720p.

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#36 Ryan_Som
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[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

The comeback people always try to comeback with when they knew they were wrong.

There is no typical or average or whatever you want to call it viewing distance, everyone is different, everyone has different size rooms. What is typical or average to you might be totally different to what is average to me. Hence why you cant use typical viewing distance as there just isnt one. You need to find the persons viewing distance before giving any other advice or your basically wasting your time and the other persons time.

And getting onto the bigger screens, yet again, your wrong. Why cant you understand viewing distance is what matters, not just screen size. You could have a 720p 100" TV and it would look brilliant if you sit far enough back not to notice the seperate pixels. The bigger the screen does not actualy mean higher resolution, again you need to find the viewing distance, please understand this.

ElGreco88

Then riddle me this: Why are there 720p HDTVs 40" and under, but from 40" and up your only option is 1080p? ;)

That's not true. My friend has a Samsung 42" that's 720p.

There are exceptions to every rule. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find an HDTV that much bigger than that at only 720p. ESPECIALLY when you get into the 50" range.

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#37 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="ElGreco88"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

Then riddle me this: Why are there 720p HDTVs 40" and under, but from 40" and up your only option is 1080p? ;)

Ryan_Som

That's not true. My friend has a Samsung 42" that's 720p.

There are exceptions to every rule. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find an HDTV that much bigger than that at only 720p. ESPECIALLY when you get into the 50" range.



I guess my job was done for me by the other poster. There are loads of 40"+720p screens just as there is now loads of 32" 1080p screens.

Try to wriggle out of this all you want, what you orginally said and what you are saying now is wrong.

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#38 Ryan_Som
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[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

There are exceptions to every rule. Still, you'd be hard pressed to find an HDTV that much bigger than that at only 720p. ESPECIALLY when you get into the 50" range.

shawty1984



I guess my job was done for me by the other poster. There are loads of 40"+720p screens just as there is now loads of 32" 1080p screens.

Try to wriggle out of this all you want, what you orginally said and what you are saying now is wrong.

You know both of our arguments have their flaws? You're no more right or wrong than I am. Think about it. I'm saying that you won't notice the difference as much between 720p and 1080p on a smaller screen. You're saying that depends on viewing distance, which is true. Then you go on to say that 720p can look great on a large screen if you move your viewing distance back. Umm, isn't that kind of the same thing I'm saying? Given that logic, resolution doesn't matter.

I said "average" viewing distance before. What I should've said is "recommended" or "optimal." For my TV which is a 65", that distance is about 8 feet. I sit about 10-12 feet away and the picture looks great. If the TC is to enjoy the full benefits of 1080p on a 32" HDTV he'll have to be sitting closer than 4 feet. I'm just working under the preconceived notion that most people don't sit that close to their TVs. I'm saying he won't notice as big of a difference because I'm guessing he won't be sitting closer than 4 feet. If he is, however, then that wouldn't be true.

But that's just me, I'm probably wrong.

Also, THIS is basically what I've been trying to say all along:

The Difference is not Striking

The difference between standard definition broadcast and 720p content is striking. You can clearly see that 720p looks amazing compared to standard definition. When it comes to 1080p vs 720p however, the difference is not that huge. 720p looks great and 1080p looks a bit better. Yes, 1080p has almost twice the detail of 720p but when watching real content, like a movie, you will not be twice as impressed. In conclusion, if you would not see a striking difference and you would not be blown off under ideal conditions (viewing distance and screen size), in a real life situation that is far from ideal for most of you, 720p and 1080p will be the same.

When is 1080p Useful?

While this guide about 720p vs 1080p is quite long and explains many aspects for your convenience, the answer to this question is actually pretty easy. 1080p is useful only if you sit close enough to actually see the extra detail and if you watch 1080p or 1080i content. If you are either further away or you watch content of a lower resolution, 720p will look the same.

BestHDTVScreen

Source:
Best HDTV Screen - 720p vs 1080p
Best HDTV Screen - Screen Size Viewing Distance

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#39 shawty1984
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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

[QUOTE="Ryan_Som"]

I guess my job was done for me by the other poster. There are loads of 40"+720p screens just as there is now loads of 32" 1080p screens.

Try to wriggle out of this all you want, what you orginally said and what you are saying now is wrong.

Ryan_Som

You know both of our arguments have their flaws? You're no more right or wrong than I am. Think about it. I'm saying that you won't notice the difference as much between 720p and 1080p on a smaller screen. You're saying that depends on viewing distance, which is true. Then you go on to say that 720p can look great on a large screen if you move your viewing distance back. Umm, isn't that kind of the same thing I'm saying? Given that logic, resolution doesn't matter.

I said "average" viewing distance before. What I should've said is "recommended" or "optimal." For my TV which is a 65", that distance is about 8 feet. I sit about 10-12 feet away and the picture looks great. If the TC is to enjoy the full benefits of 1080p on a 32" HDTV he'll have to be sitting closer than 4 feet. I'm just working under the preconceived notion that most people don't sit that close to their TVs. I'm saying he won't notice as big of a difference because I'm guessing he won't be sitting closer than 4 feet. If he is, however, then that wouldn't be true.

But that's just me, I'm probably wrong.

Also, THIS is basically what I've been trying to say all along:

The Difference is not Striking

The difference between standard definition broadcast and 720p content is striking. You can clearly see that 720p looks amazing compared to standard definition. When it comes to 1080p vs 720p however, the difference is not that huge. 720p looks great and 1080p looks a bit better. Yes, 1080p has almost twice the detail of 720p but when watching real content, like a movie, you will not be twice as impressed. In conclusion, if you would not see a striking difference and you would not be blown off under ideal conditions (viewing distance and screen size), in a real life situation that is far from ideal for most of you, 720p and 1080p will be the same.

When is 1080p Useful?

While this guide about 720p vs 1080p is quite long and explains many aspects for your convenience, the answer to this question is actually pretty easy. 1080p is useful only if you sit close enough to actually see the extra detail and if you watch 1080p or 1080i content. If you are either further away or you watch content of a lower resolution, 720p will look the same.

BestHDTVScreen

Source:
Best HDTV Screen - 720p vs 1080p
Best HDTV Screen - Screen Size Viewing Distance



Nope, my argument does not have a flaw.

You said something wrong, now your trying to drag me down with you to cover your own back. All I have said is that it depends on viewing distance, which is 100% factual, so stop trying to make out Im wrong.

If you are going to give advice, one of the first things you need to stop doing is assuming things, it will just make things worse for the people involved, you need to find out the correct information, not just guess at it. What I just said there basically covers everything else you have written. Your trying to tell people 1080p is no good on smaller screens because they are sat to far away, hang on, you dont know what distance they are viewing from, regardless of average or optimal viewing distance, you need to know the facts, not just guess.

Everytime I pull someone up about this exact subject it always goes this way without fail. People need to stop and look back at what they write. What you had wrote was wrong, end of. Why then end up in one big silly argument where your only getting yourself confussed. As I have said before, 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, it is the same amount of pixels, so the details on the screen are the same be it at 20" or 100". What matters is the viewing distance, always. What you had done is cut the viewing distance part out of it because you assume everyone doesnt view screens up close, which you and I know is wrong and thats why your whole basis of the argument will never be right until you change that.

So when you are giving advice on small 1080p screens, dont say its not worth it, ask the viewing distance because it might be worth it.

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Nope, my argument does not have a flaw.

You said something wrong, now your trying to drag me down with you to cover your own back. All I have said is that it depends on viewing distance, which is 100% factual, so stop trying to make out Im wrong.

If you are going to give advice, one of the first things you need to stop doing is assuming things, it will just make things worse for the people involved, you need to find out the correct information, not just guess at it. What I just said there basically covers everything else you have written. Your trying to tell people 1080p is no good on smaller screens because they are sat to far away, hang on, you dont know what distance they are viewing from, regardless of average or optimal viewing distance, you need to know the facts, not just guess.

Everytime I pull someone up about this exact subject it always goes this way without fail. People need to stop and look back at what they write. What you had wrote was wrong, end of. Why then end up in one big silly argument where your only getting yourself confussed. As I have said before, 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, it is the same amount of pixels, so the details on the screen are the same be it at 20" or 100". What matters is the viewing distance, always. What you had done is cut the viewing distance part out of it because you assume everyone doesnt view screens up close, which you and I know is wrong and thats why your whole basis of the argument will never be right until you change that.

So when you are giving advice on small 1080p screens, dont say its not worth it, ask the viewing distance because it might be worth it.

shawty1984

Fair enough.

Let me try to restate what I was saying in the most correct way possible in an effort to account for all the information here:

1080p, regardless of screen size, DOES make a difference provided you are close enough to the screen to see that difference.

Does that seem like a fair statement that you would agree with now? That's not meant to be sarcastic. I see how my previous statements could be a bit misleading and I'm trying to come to a concensus with you now.

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[QUOTE="shawty1984"]

Nope, my argument does not have a flaw.

You said something wrong, now your trying to drag me down with you to cover your own back. All I have said is that it depends on viewing distance, which is 100% factual, so stop trying to make out Im wrong.

If you are going to give advice, one of the first things you need to stop doing is assuming things, it will just make things worse for the people involved, you need to find out the correct information, not just guess at it. What I just said there basically covers everything else you have written. Your trying to tell people 1080p is no good on smaller screens because they are sat to far away, hang on, you dont know what distance they are viewing from, regardless of average or optimal viewing distance, you need to know the facts, not just guess.

Everytime I pull someone up about this exact subject it always goes this way without fail. People need to stop and look back at what they write. What you had wrote was wrong, end of. Why then end up in one big silly argument where your only getting yourself confussed. As I have said before, 1080p is 1080p which is 1920 x 1080, it is the same amount of pixels, so the details on the screen are the same be it at 20" or 100". What matters is the viewing distance, always. What you had done is cut the viewing distance part out of it because you assume everyone doesnt view screens up close, which you and I know is wrong and thats why your whole basis of the argument will never be right until you change that.

So when you are giving advice on small 1080p screens, dont say its not worth it, ask the viewing distance because it might be worth it.

Ryan_Som

Fair enough.

Let me try to restate what I was saying in the most correct way possible in an effort to account for all the information here:

1080p, regardless of screen size, DOES make a difference provided you are close enough to the screen to see that difference.

Does that seem like a fair statement that you would agree with now? That's not meant to be sarcastic. I see how my previous statements could be a bit misleading and I'm trying to come to a concensus with you now.



Its not me you need to direct it to, without being big headed, I know what I was talking about, its the people that seen the comment on gaming on under 32" is pointless (or whatever statement it was) you need to direct it to.

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#42 Ryan_Som
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Okay. Haha, sorry TC for highjacking your thread!

Let's start this over again: What size TV do you plan to get and how far will you be sitting from it?

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#43 JVevV-3J2a87
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hehe no problems bro, hope the "argument" is over and everyone is :) ,, so yeah im planning to buy a 32" my distance is @ 3 / 3 and half meters

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#44 JVevV-3J2a87
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or @ 8/10 feet (hehe srry got confused there a sec on the (ft/meters) :P )

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#45 Ryan_Som
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Well, if shawty1984 would like to help clarify, at that distance your TV would need to be over 60" (roughly) to see a noticeable difference between 720p and 1080p. That's not saying there isn't a difference, just that you'd have to move closer to see it. Scroll down and look at the chart labeled "Optimal Screen Size and Distances" on this page. It'll give you an idea of at what distance you'll start losing clarity.

Viewing Distance vs Screen Size

Keep in mind, this varies for different people depending on your visual acuity amongst other things. Search the web for other comparisons as far as detail goes to get a better idea.

I think a basic guideline for taking advantage of 1080p is that you should be close enough to the TV for it to fill your entire field of vision.

Also, try using this calculator to give you an idea of what you're looking at as far as viewing distance vs screen size goes. It's pretty helpful:

Viewing Distance Calculator

Hope this helps.

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#46 JVevV-3J2a87
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THX will do ;)

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DO NOT buy your HDTV based on what people here on Gamespot think. You go do the research yourself or you will end up regretting your purchase. People here in GS are not equipped or knowledgeable enough to really help you out without BSing you or giving opinions. Trust me on this. Now go hit the books.

And heres my 2 cents. Step it up and get a 1080p HDTV. Some games will support 1080p and you might one day want to watch some nice blu-ray movies. And no matter how far or close you sit to your TV, youre still going to see a difference between 1080p and 720p.

My recommendation is the Samsung LN32B650. Everything about it is quality.