Gran Turismo best racing sim?

So I've been hearing all these great things about Forza 2 on the 360 forums. About how awesome the customization is and everything. And then I see some trolls in the PS3 forums saying how GT isn't as good as Forza and all this. And I saw complaints of how GT doesn't have any customization at all.

I just wanted to point out, and raise some little discussion, about how great Gran Turismo is and how much you can really do with it.

Most of the complaints are about lack of asthetic customization. Forza 2 claims to be a racing sim right? Why bog down the game with all this Need For Speed style crap that is directed towards 12 year olds screaming about how Fast and the Furious is the greatest movie, and how they could drift better than any of their other friends without ever driving a car before?

Gran Turismo is the only PURE racing sim that isn't worried about decals and window tint, or how high your hydraulics can bounce. I'm pretty sure when you can adjust any aspect of your vehicle's engine, you have a true racing sim. If Forza is such an awesome racing sim, why do we see all these posts about how cool the car looks. I'm personally more interested in how it performs.

GT still has so much more stuff than Forza, it may not have (in GT4) the sweet cust options Forza 2 has, but GT 5 will deffinitively be a better game. GT is not a Pimp my ride game, its a game for guys that enjoy cars for what they are and not from "Wow, you have a Halo mod on it, its the roxxor".

"Wow, you have a Halo mod on it, its the roxxor".

kenshinhimura16

I too am not a big fan of the Need For Speed style of customization that Forza 2 has. Suspension, brakes, transmission, differentials and engine are pretty much the only settings I need to make a car fast. But I do agree with the guy above who said GT needs a paint shop for the pink cars you win, or bring back the racing mod option.

I just don't see how that makes it a better sim. haha "yea the gameplay isn't as good, but we can put stickers on our cars!"

come on!

I was disappointed when they stopped the racing mod option.

It was always the finishing touch when a car of mine was considered complete.

I found it a little bit odd having a stock-looking skyline in a race against cars that already had those racing decals on them. I felt more in place with the racing mod.

Gran Turismo best racing sim?lawlersauce

DUH?

GT is the best racing sim. nuff said
for racing sim: GT
for drifting: ridge racer, initial D &chain reaction
for other stuff: NFS

I still side with Gran Turismo over Forza, but the way you've approached this makes me wonder if you've even touched the game, let alone played it. There is far more to Forza 2 than ricing up imports with flame and dragon decals. In some areas it's better than Gran Turismo, in others it's lacking. The only real complaint most people have is that the tracks are a little bland.

At least Forza has added something to the genre. I was heavily into GT3, even though it added nothing to GT2 except improved graphics (from PS to PS2). What did GT4 add to GT3? Nothing.

I've played both Forza's and they are great games. Forza 2 is the best sim racer going right now and it will hold that title at least until GT5 is released....which hasn't even been announced yet, so it won't be out for at least another year, possibly 2009.

Gran turismo is the best racing game ever it is the only racing game that I enjoy playing, just because it doesn't have damge doesn't make it not perfect.

And It is the best selling racing game ever

END OF DISCUSSION.

At least Forza has added something to the genre. I was heavily into GT3, even though it added nothing to GT2 except improved graphics (from PS to PS2). What did GT4 add to GT3? Nothing.

I've played both Forza's and they are great games. Forza 2 is the best sim racer going right now and it will hold that title at least until GT5 is released....which hasn't even been announced yet, so it won't be out for at least another year, possibly 2009.

Hulabaloza

hasn't been announced yet...?

Gran Turismo is the only PURE racing sim that isn't worried about decals and window tint...

lawlersauce

...or damage. Or online. Or proper AI on the part of the computer controlled cars. Or... or... or... ;)

The decals/painting of the cars in Forza 2 is just icing on the cake. Some have great fun with it, others (like me) have not really used it at all. It is quite fun when you come across people online with a spectacular paintjob though - it brings a nice variety to online play when cars are not just in 'standard' colors.

Forza is by far the more realistic and fun game.

A real car moves about and is very dynamic when driving at speed but when ur 'drivin' a car in GT it just feels like ur drivin a train instead, very singular and straight with none of the many dynamic changes and movementsu get with a real car.

This where Forza really comes into its own, the drivin is more involved and u genuinely can feel the car underneath u, even the tyres can be felt squirming and movin about on the road surface.

I think the only reason these days that GT is still considered the champ of sim racers is because for the longest time there was no competition to it so its the only reference people had when comparing sim type games.

These days with Forza, GTR 1+2 etc on the market expectations have changed and moved on from the dull formula of GT yet many people still flatly refuse to acknowledge the fact and dogmatically stick with GT.

There's no doubt whatsoever that GT5 will sell by the bucket load but unless PD bring something new to the table it could well be a very short honeymoon period for themselves and their opus.

the only thing that pisses me off is, the damage. the anti PS3 people say GT is not really cuz of the damage. the games that use damage isnt real. its just cosmetic and people think it works.notdead

Why don't you play Forza 2 and see for yourself. The damage is not cosmetic; try to wallride around a corner (like you can in GT..) and your race is most likely over; your car will be so damaged that you are no longer competitive in the field. Slam into another car from behind and your steering can be busted making it hard to finish the race. Damage your front spoiler and your grip will be worse (depending on type of spoiler and tuning setup of course). And so on.

Set the damage model to 'realistic' (of course it isn't realistic but the damage at least hurts you a lot) and even a moderately small crash in Forza 2 will most likely ensure that you will never ever win the race because of the damage.

i stop liking grand turismo after 2. it became too sim heavy, and technical. rued2k6

i stop liking grand turismo after 2. it became too sim heavy, and technical. rued2k6

then go play a game that's fun and not as realistic like need for speed carbon or forza 2.

forza 2 is for ricers who want to buy a mustang and put big body kits, big wannabe racing spoilers, uneven paint jobs, messed up stickers, and 22in' chrome rims, and think they are cool driving it down the streets with all that weight and ridiculous uneven weight body kit bouncing back and forth on the road with weak suspensions.

gran turismo is for true racing enthusiests who love real simulation and real car and it's true beauty and how cars are supposed to be.

/thread.
LeDavester

lol...i can tell you've never played forza. GT is a great series, but IMO Forza 2 is better for the customozation and simulation. In regard to the "wannabe spoiler", and chrome rims, if you do use them they tend to increase the overall weight of your vehicle, decreasing both your acceleration AND top speed, but they do tend to improve the handling. IMO, GT is #1 in the graphics dept, but Forza 2 is #1 in everything else. Just my opinion.

[QUOTE="LeDavester"]forza 2 is for ricers who want to buy a mustang and put big body kits, big wannabe racing spoilers, uneven paint jobs, messed up stickers, and 22in' chrome rims, and think they are cool driving it down the streets with all that weight and ridiculous uneven weight body kit bouncing back and forth on the road with weak suspensions.

gran turismo is for true racing enthusiests who love real simulation and real car and it's true beauty and how cars are supposed to be.

/thread.
Eddie5vs1

lol...i can tell you've never played forza. GT is a great series, but IMO Forza 2 is better for the customozation and simulation. In regard to the "wannabe spoiler", and chrome rims, if you do use them they tend to increase the overall weight of your vehicle, decreasing both your acceleration AND top speed, but they do tend to improve the handling. IMO, GT is #1 in the graphics dept, but Forza 2 is #1 in everything else. Just my opinion.

everybody is entitled to their own opinion, i respect that. but the truth hurts. it's okay, you'll get out of stage 1 soon. everybody's been in denial for sometime.

[QUOTE="LeDavester"]forza 2 is for ricers who want to buy a mustang and put big body kits, big wannabe racing spoilers, uneven paint jobs, messed up stickers, and 22in' chrome rims, and think they are cool driving it down the streets with all that weight and ridiculous uneven weight body kit bouncing back and forth on the road with weak suspensions.

gran turismo is for true racing enthusiests who love real simulation and real car and it's true beauty and how cars are supposed to be.

/thread.
Eddie5vs1

lol...i can tell you've never played forza. GT is a great series, but IMO Forza 2 is better for the customozation and simulation. In regard to the "wannabe spoiler", and chrome rims, if you do use them they tend to increase the overall weight of your vehicle, decreasing both your acceleration AND top speed, but they do tend to improve the handling. IMO, GT is #1 in the graphics dept, but Forza 2 is #1 in everything else. Just my opinion.

Yep you can tell he never once played it since he thinks GTR with no damage is more realistic.

[QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"]

[QUOTE="LeDavester"]forza 2 is for ricers who want to buy a mustang and put big body kits, big wannabe racing spoilers, uneven paint jobs, messed up stickers, and 22in' chrome rims, and think they are cool driving it down the streets with all that weight and ridiculous uneven weight body kit bouncing back and forth on the road with weak suspensions.

gran turismo is for true racing enthusiests who love real simulation and real car and it's true beauty and how cars are supposed to be.

/thread.
Deihmos

lol...i can tell you've never played forza. GT is a great series, but IMO Forza 2 is better for the customozation and simulation. In regard to the "wannabe spoiler", and chrome rims, if you do use them they tend to increase the overall weight of your vehicle, decreasing both your acceleration AND top speed, but they do tend to improve the handling. IMO, GT is #1 in the graphics dept, but Forza 2 is #1 in everything else. Just my opinion.

Yep you can tell he never once played it since he thinks GTR with no damage is more realistic.

ooowiiie, look at me in forza 2, i'm traveling down the road at 160 mph and hit against the wall with a broken hood and a dented in front bumper. i also can drive away after that! gosh i wish this happened in real life too.

sir, i'd rather play a game with no damage than play a game with fake damage because fake damage makes the car not even a sim anymore.

[QUOTE="Deihmos"][QUOTE="Eddie5vs1"]

[QUOTE="LeDavester"]forza 2 is for ricers who want to buy a mustang and put big body kits, big wannabe racing spoilers, uneven paint jobs, messed up stickers, and 22in' chrome rims, and think they are cool driving it down the streets with all that weight and ridiculous uneven weight body kit bouncing back and forth on the road with weak suspensions.

gran turismo is for true racing enthusiests who love real simulation and real car and it's true beauty and how cars are supposed to be.

/thread.
LeDavester

lol...i can tell you've never played forza. GT is a great series, but IMO Forza 2 is better for the customozation and simulation. In regard to the "wannabe spoiler", and chrome rims, if you do use them they tend to increase the overall weight of your vehicle, decreasing both your acceleration AND top speed, but they do tend to improve the handling. IMO, GT is #1 in the graphics dept, but Forza 2 is #1 in everything else. Just my opinion.

Yep you can tell he never once played it since he thinks GTR with no damage is more realistic.

ooowiiie, look at me in forza 2, i'm traveling down the road at 160 mph and hit against the wall with a broken hood and a dented in front bumper. i also can drive away after that! gosh i wish this happened in real life too.

sir, i'd rather play a game with no damage than play a game with fake damage because fake damage makes the car not even a sim anymore.

lol....yes you can drive away from a big crash if you're a noob and have your damage set to "comestic". I use simulation, and if I crash, I can guarantee that I'm not coming in first. If you damage your front bumper, you increase your wind resistance, thus slowing you down. If you knock off your wing, you slide in turns more. If you damage your engine, you no longer can hit a high top speed and/or accelerate well. You can also damage each indepent shock, thus causing your car to lean in that direction. You can also damage each independent brake, which causes your car to pull if you apply your brakes. You can also damage your drivetrain which doesn't allow you to get all the power to the tires. You can also damage your transmission which doesn't allow you to change gears (which often causes your car to overheat. You can also damage your clutch whichthen takes it longer to change gears. You can also damage your steering which makes it hard to steer. Other than, what I listed, your right, it is fake damage. lol.

You are entitle to you opinion though about GT, as it is a great series. But at least know what you're are talking about because a lot of people on the forums take what they read as gospel. I hope that I cleared upthe confusion for you. Cheers. :)

*edit* I also noticed your comment about the 160 speed limit. I have a GTO that is upgraded to a U Cla$$ with a new dropped in engine that's tuned and it tops out at around 255MPH. Just thought you might want to know. I also want to say again that everyone is entitled to their opinion, and that everyone likes a different game, I'm just asking that you be accurate in your desciption of Forza 2.

ooowiiie, look at me in forza 2, i'm traveling down the road at 160 mph and hit against the wall with a broken hood and a dented in front bumper. i also can drive away after that!

LeDavester

BUSTED!

If you do that in Forza 2 it's game over. Your car will not be drivable at all. You probably won't be able to move it even an inch.

This clearly shows that you have never even played the game with damage enabled. As I mentioned before even the smallest of crashes (except rubbing/nudging other cars slightly) WILL often have some kind of (performance and visible) consequences for your car. So shut up until you know what you are talking about.

I'm not saying that Forza 2 is the best sim ever, or that the GT-series are bad games. But at least I'm not intentionally spreading lies like you do.

If Forza sells over 10 million it'll be close to GTA3, it has to sell over 30 million if it wants the title of best racing sims.

Forza one is pretty much unheard of to me, I never even heard anything about it. While Gran Turismo is heard of everywhere.

Attention all those who do not know!!!

Gran Turismo is NOT a racing simulator. It is a DRIVING simulator, so it doesn't count.

are ppl really comparing a last gen game like gt4 to a this gen game like forza 2? how canppl say that gt will be no. 1 in graphics and forza no. 1 in everything else when there is nothing to compare them too. its like comparing a tech demo and a full game, does that really make sense ppl?Thrushy

[QUOTE="Thrushy"]are ppl really comparing a last gen game like gt4 to a this gen game like forza 2? how canppl say that gt will be no. 1 in graphics and forza no. 1 in everything else when there is nothing to compare them too. its like comparing a tech demo and a full game, does that really make sense ppl?aaron5829

LOL exactly my brother, good point! comparing a Xbox360 game to a PS2 last gen game. by no means is Forza a bad game i just want to stress that. Forza 2 is excellent butcannot dethrone even GT4 which imo is the best racing sim on consoles.

Attention all those who do not know!!!

Gran Turismo is NOT a racing simulator. It is a DRIVING simulator, so it doesn't count.

Cedmln

Yep GT is a driving sim not a racing sim. You cannot bounce off of walls and come first in a real racing simulator plus theGT series never proclaimed to be a racing sim.

Gran turismo is the best racing game ever it is the only racing game that I enjoy playing, just because it doesn't have damge doesn't make it not perfect.

And It is the best selling racing game ever

END OF DISCUSSION.

SolidSnake2020

Forza is by far the more realistic and fun game.

A real car moves about and is very dynamic when driving at speed but when ur 'drivin' a car in GT it just feels like ur drivin a train instead, very singular and straight with none of the many dynamic changes and movementsu get with a real car.

This where Forza really comes into its own, the drivin is more involved and u genuinely can feel the car underneath u, even the tyres can be felt squirming and movin about on the road surface.

I think the only reason these days that GT is still considered the champ of sim racers is because for the longest time there was no competition to it so its the only reference people had when comparing sim type games.

These days with Forza, GTR 1+2 etc on the market expectations have changed and moved on from the dull formula of GT yet many people still flatly refuse to acknowledge the fact and dogmatically stick with GT.

There's no doubt whatsoever that GT5 will sell by the bucket load but unless PD bring something new to the table it could well be a very short honeymoon period for themselves and their opus.

l34052

agreed,forza is the best and more realistic racing sim found on consoles,the tuning it's not just cosmetic for ricers,you can tune

your engine your transmission and suspension deepley,forza2 is a more realistic game than gt4 and gthd,it's the more

realistic sim behind gtr2,live fors peed and rfactor,

ps.some people won't accept the truth but forza is better and i know what i'm talking about.

I'm not worried about it competing with Gran Turismo. I realize that acting like a total fruit and making your car look prissy and super neato is the in thing...I don't buy it, I'm not interested. I like cars because they go fast, not because they have shiny decals and bright neon lights.lawlersauce

I'd like to have a car that I can customize just like in real life. Before I traded in Forza 2 I made my car with the puerto rican flag design, a design I would like to get in real life. Hopefully the next GT has customizations like that..

[QUOTE="l34052"]

Forza is by far the more realistic and fun game.

A real car moves about and is very dynamic when driving at speed but when ur 'drivin' a car in GT it just feels like ur drivin a train instead, very singular and straight with none of the many dynamic changes and movementsu get with a real car.

This where Forza really comes into its own, the drivin is more involved and u genuinely can feel the car underneath u, even the tyres can be felt squirming and movin about on the road surface.

I think the only reason these days that GT is still considered the champ of sim racers is because for the longest time there was no competition to it so its the only reference people had when comparing sim type games.

These days with Forza, GTR 1+2 etc on the market expectations have changed and moved on from the dull formula of GT yet many people still flatly refuse to acknowledge the fact and dogmatically stick with GT.

There's no doubt whatsoever that GT5 will sell by the bucket load but unless PD bring something new to the table it could well be a very short honeymoon period for themselves and their opus.

real_madrid_99

agreed,forzaisthebestandmorerealisticracingsimfoundonconsoles,thetuningit'snotjustcosmeticsforricers,youcantune

yourengineyourtransmissionandsuspensiondeepley,forza2isamorerealisticgamethangt4andgthd,it'sthemore

realisticsimbehindgtr2,liveforspeedandrfactor,

ps.somepeoplewon'tacceptthetruthbutforzaisbetterandiknowwhati'mtalkingabout.

space man

[QUOTE="real_madrid_99"][QUOTE="l34052"]

Forza is by far the more realistic and fun game.

A real car moves about and is very dynamic when driving at speed but when ur 'drivin' a car in GT it just feels like ur drivin a train instead, very singular and straight with none of the many dynamic changes and movementsu get with a real car.

This where Forza really comes into its own, the drivin is more involved and u genuinely can feel the car underneath u, even the tyres can be felt squirming and movin about on the road surface.

I think the only reason these days that GT is still considered the champ of sim racers is because for the longest time there was no competition to it so its the only reference people had when comparing sim type games.

These days with Forza, GTR 1+2 etc on the market expectations have changed and moved on from the dull formula of GT yet many people still flatly refuse to acknowledge the fact and dogmatically stick with GT.

There's no doubt whatsoever that GT5 will sell by the bucket load but unless PD bring something new to the table it could well be a very short honeymoon period for themselves and their opus.

AllSystemsRocks

agreed,forzaisthebestandmorerealisticracingsimfoundonconsoles,thetuningit'snotjustcosmeticsforricers,youcantune

yourengineyourtransmissionandsuspensiondeepley,forza2isamorerealisticgamethangt4andgthd,it'sthemore

realisticsimbehindgtr2,liveforspeedandrfactor,

ps.somepeoplewon'tacceptthetruthbutforzaisbetterandiknowwhati'mtalkingabout.

space man

ialreadyeditedit