gta4...cell procesor -->splitscreen

Today I woke up with a great idea in mind. I found it pretty possible that multiplayer offline splitscreen is exclusive to the ps3 version for the following reasons:

1.-the cell processor would allow it while the 360 wont.

2.-This can be a reason why microsoft paid for exclusive dlc ...to balance the lose they would have without splitscreen.

3.-If we know its possible to have splitscreen in the ps3 given the processing power of the ps3 why would R* wouldnt include it in the ps3 version? I think they will show some loyalty to its play station fan base.

There are several rumors that this will happen like the review on the internet (a not so credible one, but can be possible) and the fact that gamestop announced the ps3 version to be for 2 players while the 360 for 1 . So we will discover this on the 29th and if im right my friends you will have to celebrate it playing (in the same couch, in the same ps3)with your friends and have some beers.

It probably is, R* ran out of disk space on the dvd so they didn't add add the split-screen.Hoon252

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

elfboy69

Thats with the cell doing rendering with out the RSX. Pumping out ps2 graphics with only a processor is amazing. And split screen is not exclusive, that was proved false. With M$ pushing the hell out of the DLD, dont you thinkk sony would Push the hell out of split screen which IMO is much better.

The PS3 can at least render 16 cars in GT5 prologue !! Eat that, Forza Motorsport !! (hehe, a little fanboyism to heaten things up on this post that belongs to System wars)

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

elfboy69

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

elfboy69

You have absolutely no idea how the Cell Processor is built do you? There are 8 individual processors each clocking in at a theoretical 3.2Ghz, one is reserved for the OS and another is held spare leaving 6 processors (at the moment) for the PS3 devs to throw around. Due to the complex nature of the Cell Processor though, it will take a pretty skilled development team to make use of this potential (22.4Ghz in an ideal world) and to my knowledge no game currently in development for PS3 makes 100% use of each processor.

[QUOTE="elfboy69"]

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

thekodaman

You have absolutely no idea how the Cell Processor is built do you? There are 8 individual processors each clocking in at a theoretical 3.2Ghz, one is reserved for the OS and another is held spare leaving 6 processors (at the moment) for the PS3 devs to throw around. Due to the complex nature of the Cell Processor though, it will take a pretty skilled development team to make use of this potential (22.4Ghz in an ideal world) and to my knowledge no game currently in development for PS3 makes 100% use of each processor.

To bad you don't know what you're talking about. The Cell is made up of 7 SPE cores and a PPC core. Do you not know anything about what's currently going on in the PC world? IBM is releasing a GPU based on 4 CELL SPE cores to do HD decoding. That GPU is only about as fast as an 8600GTS in GLOPS performance and if you don't know the 8600GTS is a crap video card.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/tosh_samples_spursengine/

So if each SPE in the card puts out about 12 GFLOPS of power then the 6 SPE cores in the CELL CPU at about twice the clock speed will put out about 150 GFLOPS of performance.

Now compare that 150GFLOPS to the 754GLOPS performance of the 9800GTX.

So with 6 SPEs in the CELL you're looking at about the same graphics performance as a low-end desktop PC.

As for the PPC in the CELL which is based on the G5 Architecture from IBM which was released back in 2002 so that's about the same performance as a Pentium 4 of similar clock speed.

I will be picking up this game when it hits the stores and I love my PS3 as a game system and a multi media device but dam stop over hyping things you don't understand.

thats cool how you did (R*) lolxxgameheadxx

Lol i like how he came up with a well thought out post and all you commented on was the R* But i agree. that is creative.

[QUOTE="elfboy69"][QUOTE="thekodaman"][QUOTE="elfboy69"]

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

FatChuwawa

You have absolutely no idea how the Cell Processor is built do you? There are 8 individual processors each clocking in at a theoretical 3.2Ghz, one is reserved for the OS and another is held spare leaving 6 processors (at the moment) for the PS3 devs to throw around. Due to the complex nature of the Cell Processor though, it will take a pretty skilled development team to make use of this potential (22.4Ghz in an ideal world) and to my knowledge no game currently in development for PS3 makes 100% use of each processor.

To bad you don't know what you're talking about. The Cell is made up of 7 SPE cores and a PPC core. Do you not know anything about what's currently going on in the PC world? IBM is releasing a GPU based on 4 CELL SPE cores to do HD decoding. That GPU is only about as fast as an 8600GTS in GLOPS performance and if you don't know the 8600GTS is a crap video card.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/tosh_samples_spursengine/

So if each SPE in the card puts out about 12 GFLOPS of power then the 6 SPE cores in the CELL CPU at about twice the clock speed will put out about 150 GFLOPS of performance.

Now compare that 150GFLOPS to the 754GLOPS performance of the 9800GTX.

So with 6 SPEs in the CELL you're looking at about the same graphics performance as a low-end desktop PC.

As for the PPC in the CELL which is based on the G5 Architecture from IBM which was released back in 2002 so that's about the same performance as a Pentium 4 of similar clock speed.

I will be picking up this game when it hits the stores and I love my PS3 as a game system and a multi media device but dam stop over hyping things you don't understand.

your a noob

great success! :D

"Xbox360 is better, i go on first and clean the hair."

"No, PS3 is better, i go on second and leave the hair silky and smooth"

"Oh really fool?"

..

"Stop looking at me swan!"

[QUOTE="americahellyeah"][QUOTE="FatChuwawa"][QUOTE="elfboy69"][QUOTE="thekodaman"][QUOTE="elfboy69"]

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

FatChuwawa

You have absolutely no idea how the Cell Processor is built do you? There are 8 individual processors each clocking in at a theoretical 3.2Ghz, one is reserved for the OS and another is held spare leaving 6 processors (at the moment) for the PS3 devs to throw around. Due to the complex nature of the Cell Processor though, it will take a pretty skilled development team to make use of this potential (22.4Ghz in an ideal world) and to my knowledge no game currently in development for PS3 makes 100% use of each processor.

To bad you don't know what you're talking about. The Cell is made up of 7 SPE cores and a PPC core. Do you not know anything about what's currently going on in the PC world? IBM is releasing a GPU based on 4 CELL SPE cores to do HD decoding. That GPU is only about as fast as an 8600GTS in GLOPS performance and if you don't know the 8600GTS is a crap video card.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/tosh_samples_spursengine/

So if each SPE in the card puts out about 12 GFLOPS of power then the 6 SPE cores in the CELL CPU at about twice the clock speed will put out about 150 GFLOPS of performance.

Now compare that 150GFLOPS to the 754GLOPS performance of the 9800GTX.

So with 6 SPEs in the CELL you're looking at about the same graphics performance as a low-end desktop PC.

As for the PPC in the CELL which is based on the G5 Architecture from IBM which was released back in 2002 so that's about the same performance as a Pentium 4 of similar clock speed.

I will be picking up this game when it hits the stores and I love my PS3 as a game system and a multi media device but dam stop over hyping things you don't understand.

your a noob

great success! :D

The link that he gave wasnt even to the ps3 cell, it was another one being developed by toshiba.

noob

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The link I gave in my post is to a GPU that uses 4 SPEs of they same type as the CELL CPU.

I then did a little simple math to come to my conclusion, why is it so hard for you people to see just how right I am?

I guess you just cant argue with fan boys.

Back on topic.

Does anyone know how big the city will be compared to vice city? Vice city was the last GTA game I played.

Also is the mean character the same one as from Vice city?

"Xbox360 is better, i go on first and clean the hair."

"No, PS3 is better, i go on second and leave the hair silky and smooth"

"Oh really fool?"

..

"Stop looking at me swan!"

gtarmanrob

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The link I gave in my post is to a GPU that uses 4 SPEs of they same type as the CELL CPU.

I then did a little simple math to come to my conclusion, why is it so hard for you people to see just how right I am?

I guess you just cant argue with fan boys.

Back on topic.

Does anyone know how big the city will be compared to vice city? Vice city was the last GTA game I played.

Also is the mean character the same one as from Vice city?

elfboy69

to answer your question and try take the topic off this lame arguing over nothing...

San Andreas was MUCH larger than Vice City.

i heard that GTA IV was going to be a bit smaller than San Andreas, however it is only the one city, where as San Andreas had 3 large islands.

if its anything like San Andreas in size, i will be totally stoked. San Andreas was HUGE.

the link I gave in my post is to a GPU that uses 4 SPEs of they same type as the CELL CPU.

I then did a little simple math to come to my conclusion, why is it so hard for you people to see just how right I am?

I guess you just cant argue with fan boys.

Back on topic.

Does anyone know how big the city will be compared to vice city? Vice city was the last GTA game I played.

Also is the mean character the same one as from Vice city?

elfboy69

It probably is, R* ran out of disk space on the dvd so they didn't add add the split-screen.Hoon252

You have no foundation for any of the ideas you have. What proof do you have that a cell chip can handle splitscreen on this game while the 360 can't? I'm not being a fanboy of either console I'm just saying you have NO clue what you are talking about, you have NO proof - just some 'idea' you woke up with? Don't give up your day job there, bub I don't think you're gonna cut it as a software architect.fntsycloud

[QUOTE="thekodaman"][QUOTE="elfboy69"]

Why is it that people say they CELL is so much faster? Yes its much much faster than the Tri core in the 360 in hard core number junk. But thats not the point.

Have any of you see any demos (That can be found on youtube) of the CELL doing GPU like rendering? In some of thows demos they have 2 or more CELL CPUs running at over 4GHz pumping out PS2 like graphics.

And if they can only handel PS2 like graphics what makes you think that the single 3.2GHz CELL in the PS3 is going to have enough power to double the rendering preformance of the PS3? Because if its only got enought horse power to render ONE player plus the are the player is in and looking at, at a time then its going to need double that to do it for TWO or more players.

elfboy69

You have absolutely no idea how the Cell Processor is built do you? There are 8 individual processors each clocking in at a theoretical 3.2Ghz, one is reserved for the OS and another is held spare leaving 6 processors (at the moment) for the PS3 devs to throw around. Due to the complex nature of the Cell Processor though, it will take a pretty skilled development team to make use of this potential (22.4Ghz in an ideal world) and to my knowledge no game currently in development for PS3 makes 100% use of each processor.

To bad you don't know what you're talking about. The Cell is made up of 7 SPE cores and a PPC core. Do you not know anything about what's currently going on in the PC world? IBM is releasing a GPU based on 4 CELL SPE cores to do HD decoding. That GPU is only about as fast as an 8600GTS in GLOPS performance and if you don't know the 8600GTS is a crap video card.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04/08/tosh_samples_spursengine/

So if each SPE in the card puts out about 12 GFLOPS of power then the 6 SPE cores in the CELL CPU at about twice the clock speed will put out about 150 GFLOPS of performance.

Now compare that 150GFLOPS to the 754GLOPS performance of the 9800GTX.

So with 6 SPEs in the CELL you're looking at about the same graphics performance as a low-end desktop PC.

As for the PPC in the CELL which is based on the G5 Architecture from IBM which was released back in 2002 so that's about the same performance as a Pentium 4 of similar clock speed.

I will be picking up this game when it hits the stores and I love my PS3 as a game system and a multi media device but dam stop over hyping things you don't understand.

Bloody hell your retarded. You know absolutely nothing. Please tell me your not trying to pretend you know lots with the crap you just said there. The main point is, what you saw was the ps3 running as a graphics card which is bloody amazing. And a low end desktop PC? my pc is a low end desktop PC and it cant even run HL2 without having a fit.

lol this has gone from a potential war of logic and reason into a war of who can google the CELL projects the quickest, while looking up definitions on Wiki.

honestly, do you really think that PS3, ****IF IT DOES***, have split screen multi player in offline, its because the CELL is more capable of handling it? if the PS3 version was to have split screen offline, theres no reason the Xbox version wouldnt be able to aswell. lets remember kids, that R* (hehe, thats so cool doing it like that) developers build a game from the same engine, then port that engine onto each respective console...its the same game! its not like they go "oh, well the Xbox can have this, and the PS can have that"... any added features that come later are done so once the platform marketers (Microsoft, Sony etc) put in their few dollars to buy up exclusive content and rights. in this case, thanks to Xbox Live and their point system, Microsoft have made the buy for DLC.

if the PS3 version has split screen offline multi, its coz Sony paid for it. that, plus the Blu-Ray disc would be able to hold more data, therefore allowing for more features like that, its got nothing to do with processing power??? well i mean it does but like, in the case of the PS3 and the Xbox360, both are more than capable.

honestly, you guys read a couple of news reports, google up a story, define a term via Wikipedia, and you're ****ing experts. apologies to those that actually have a genuine knowledge and expertise in this area, but again, if you did, you wouldnt be one of those arguing over this in the first place.

maybe read my little "shampoo and conditioner" joke up there, courtesy of Adam Sandler. theres actually a little hidden meaning in the joke.

QUICK - go google up a story as to why people like me now dont know what they're talking about... FYI 'fanboy flamers' - i own a PC and a PS3, so i hold no bias here. just common sense.