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dude this has nothing to do with PS3 or PSN being hacked, its the game itself i mean Call of Duty, CoD4 and MW2 been both hacked for so long now, their hacked on all consoles as well
COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. MrSelf-DestructNo, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.
lol, they are all hacked except COD BO until a new one comes out they will give up on BO and it will be hacked
This is getting worse and worse. I tried playing some domination on mw2. more than half the games I joined were completely hacked. From aimbots, speed hacks, unlimited killstreaks, random nukes, people flying all over, and lately I've noticed they have been changing the words in the game(like team names to very innapropriate names). It sux.
Just in time for KZ3. Goddammit.This is getting worse and worse. I tried playing some domination on mw2. more than half the games I joined were completely hacked. From aimbots, speed hacks, unlimited killstreats, random nukes, people flying all over, and lately I've noticed they have been chaning the words in the game(like team names to very innapropriate names). It sux.
UnknownElement4
[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. zxcqweasd1No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks. no words to describe your fail.
[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. zxcqweasd1No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.
While there's no doubt the PS3 versions have had their fair share of exploits in the past, I'm going to have to agree with you here.
Destructoid seems to agree with you also ;)
You should come and see me laughing at the Hacks in World at War,where people had thier names in Rainbow Colours and they could fly like superman alova the stage shooting everyone with a colt 1911
COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. MrSelf-Destruct
What MrSelf-Destruct said word for word.Not new and it won't be the last time it happens.
ITT: Sonyboys in denial.zxcqweasd1
Hahaha are you for real? I played COD4 in its prime and there were already all kinds of hacks. Seeing as there have been 3 CODs released since 4, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say 4 has been put on the backburner. There have been hacks in that game for years now and there aren't going to be any updates for it. That'd be like DICE going back and updating the online for the original Bad Company while they've got BC2 and MoH to focus on...
[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"]ITT: Sonyboys in denial.rodney130
Hahaha are you for real? I played COD4 in its prime and there were already all kinds of hacks. Seeing as there have been 3 CODs released since 4, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say 4 has been put on the backburner. There have been hacks in that game for years now and there aren't going to be any updates for it. That'd be like DICE going back and updating the online for the original Bad Company while they've got BC2 and MoH to focus on...
Say what you want I don't care. This is my experience and I know what's up.How did COD MW2 get hacked before jail break when PSN has essentially been unhackable since it existed?
No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. volume_three
While there's no doubt the PS3 versions have had their fair share of exploits in the past, I'm going to have to agree with you here.
Destructoid seems to agree with you also ;)
Although the link you gave does have the OPINION that they these new hacks are a result of homebrew,people on these forumshave stated before that those old games have already been compromised. If hacks started to pop up in Black Ops, then I might almost be interested. For now, all we can do is hope the PS4 comes out asap and is ready for this sort of thing in the future.I personally hope that some homebrew user makes a program to brick the systems of those who use homebrew. Now THAT would be a hacker usingthat softwarefor good.
>implying I haven't been playing them for years >implying I don't own Black Ops and play other games too It won't be long until you're all affected by this. More and more vids are popping up on youtube every minute and there's already a destructoid article. Just so you know, even Demon's Souls is going to hell. I was invaded and I couldn't hit this obvious noob, landed so many shots but his HP stayed constant. It will be interesting to see how long your fanboyism will keep you in denial about this. cyaCoD4 and MW2 have been hacked for years, bro.
You're just really late to the party.
Silverbond
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[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"] No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.Ninja_Zombie83
While there's no doubt the PS3 versions have had their fair share of exploits in the past, I'm going to have to agree with you here.
Destructoid seems to agree with you also ;)
Although the link you gave does have the OPINION that they these new hacks are a result of homebrew,people on these forumshave stated before that those old games have already been compromised. If hacks started to pop up in Black Ops, then I might almost be interested. For now, all we can do is hope the PS4 comes out asap and is ready for this sort of thing in the future.I personally hope that some homebrew user makes a program to brick the systems of those who use homebrew. Now THAT would be a hacker usingthat softwarefor good.
They might have been compromised before (not that I ever experienced it), but not like this. Just try MW2. More than half the servers are totally broken by hackers.I won't debate whatever the TC is experiencing in CoD, but with the explosion of people complaining about hackers, it makes me wonder if Activision is riding this as an excuse to not bother supporting their own games and just keep pumping out new CoD's. That and how many people are actually losing to hackers but find it easier to blame their poor gaming skills on an outside factor?
As much as Activision suck, this is hardly their responsibility. It's a breach of Sony's security, not a game fault. This hacking thing is a goddamn shame, but I've heard from someone that there just might be some light at the end of the tunnel and Sony might actually be able to fix the problem, despite what all the hackers say. This is an apparent fix: The first consequence that will bring the firmware 3.60 is that all applications signed with the utility in make_self_npdrm created by Geohot stop working. Oh Wait! That's not what I had said 'sceners' by the mouth of all are phrases like 'are key signed with Sony, you can not do anything' That would be true if they were well signed, but the truth is that they are not. Without going into deep detail about how the Sony npdrm I will explain briefly, when Sony makes the process to generate an executable npdrm valid, generates a random key pair unique for each executable, those keys are encrypted with the ERK + npdrm RIV, which is available reverse-engineering the firmware PS3 coded counterpart obtaining them. The keypair is encrypted then clear the rest of the encrypted file and its counterpart is included as such in the header. The ERK + RIV npdrm Sony counterpart to decrypt the header and get the keypair clear after which we can follow the rest of the decryption process of the application. I have intentionally omitted details, but I think the important concept is clear. Geohot with cheap excuse not to encourage piracy has never published the key then Sony would decrypt all npdrm. That would be honest if it came from someone else, but in the case of a megalomaniacal egomaniac we suspect other hidden agendas. Kakaroto said recently that "now the hackers we must also reverse engineer Geohot both work as that of Sony's as clear sign of his displeasure toward Geohot control policy. My general definition of piracy would be the misappropriation of something in order to obtain personal benefit Geohot just what has been done. Have you used the keys and the Sony code to position a checkpoint in the 'scene' for PS3, be he who decides who can do the rest of us. Hypocrisy has been used at will as best suited him, we do not condemn it piracy on one hand but on the other metldr the key post because it is a contradiction. Has clearly used his position to a position from childhood, I think Geohot has seen too many movies, openly seek work, the sad reality is that in the professional world or for fellow would not today. If you want to work professionally is formed first. The question of its usefulness in make_self_npdrm is that it uses a keypair static since it does not include the ERK + RIV Sony npdrm keypairs can not generate random for each file. Has other errors, such as creating blank File Digest, which are unmistakable signs that the executables created are legitimate, but these other errors could be corrected by any competent programmer. However, the static keypair has no solution without the ERK + RIV npdrm Sony. Sony is therefore extremely easy to block the execution, blacklist, all executable to use that keypair, and Geohot knows. In fact in your source code includes a request to Sony: 'Please do not add to blacklist the key pair that I use, I have offered applications lack the ability to decipher the npdrm' If we add your child open and work order which I have mentioned, I feel the urgent need to address a question to Geohot, the same question is also the desire of all employees and people who are part of Sony and I even think that part of the user community. Geohot, kid, "Are you stupid or you do it? just that I thought a few days ago +risas In addition, the patch is applied by mounting the flash in writing, decoding module, it gets the patch messed with the payloads for pkgs (four bytes), re-encrypts it and writes it to the flash. This is just watching the elf text strings with a hex editor (the syscall to mount the device is published in http://ps3wiki.lan.st/index.php/Lv-2_syscalls Sys_storage_util_mount 837 (?) Parameters: Device Name (eg CELL_FS_IOS: BUILTIN_FLSH1) Device File System (eg CELL_FS_FAT) Device Path (eg / dev_flash), 0, Write Protection (0 or 1), 0, 0, 0 Sys_storage_util_unmount 838 (?) Parameters: Device Path (eg / dev_flash) Of course, what I do is I can not control 50 areas and 50 fregaos get into, because at the end, I can find a mess that can not leave (other than each has its strengths and weaknesses.) Thing, is that all of our own solve the puzzle and all methods are public and that each work on what you like most independent of the others.I won't debate whatever the TC is experiencing in CoD, but with the explosion of people complaining about hackers, it makes me wonder if Activision is riding this as an excuse to not bother supporting their own games and just keep pumping out new CoD's. That and how many people are actually losing to hackers but find it easier to blame their poor gaming skills on an outside factor?
Enid_Green
I'm not saying Activision is responsible for the influx of hackers. What I'm saying is whether they'll use it as an excuse to not bother with monitoring their games at all, regardless if it was caused by this hack or not.
[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. zxcqweasd1No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks. Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of.
They already don't bother monitoring their games. They don't need an excuse beyond the fact that they really just don't give a ****. lolI'm not saying Activision is responsible for the influx of hackers. What I'm saying is whether they'll use it as an excuse to not bother with monitoring their games at all, regardless if it was caused by this hack or not.
Enid_Green
[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. MrSelf-DestructNo, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks. Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of.
Yeah, this makes me sad.
Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of.[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"] No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.Enid_Green
Yeah, this makes me sad.
Sad but true.Homebrew is a just a symptom of the real problem, a side effect of allowing hackers to hide behind the law and make tools for others to abuse. Even if Sony fixed every single thing with the omega of all patches...it doesn't mean it wouldn't eventually get hacked as well.
In the end, Sony has the resources and modivation to fix their problem. How they go about it is up to them and thanks to these "freedom hackers", legit consumers will be the ones to bite the bullet.
[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. MrSelf-DestructNo, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks. Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of. Black Ops is already a piece of **** without hacks on PS3, full of connection/lag/freeze errors. Don't worry though, it won't be long before that game is hacked to shreds, too, because presently nothing can be done about it. It's not about Activision "taking care of" the game, it's a Sony security breach. Any patch Treyarch administers will quickly be overridden and be entirely inconsequential. Give it three weeks, tops. It will be exactly like MW2 (unless hopefully firmware 3.60 is successful).
[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"][QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"] No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks.zxcqweasd1Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of. Black Ops is already a piece of **** without hacks on PS3, full of connection/lag/freeze errors. Don't worry though, it won't be long before that game is hacked to shreds, too, because presently nothing can be done about it. It's not about Activision "taking care of" the game, it's a Sony security breach. Any patch Treyarch administers will quickly be overridden and be entirely inconsequential. Give it three weeks, tops. It will be exactly like MW2.Maybe, maybe not. If it does become a hacked up mess then I will just invite those who don't want to cheat to a private lobby to play. I'm sure there are plenty of legit players who want to play legit games.
[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"] Despite whether this is a new hack or not still doesn't change the fact that the game has been hacked for years. You may or may not encounter one of these hacks based on the lobby you sign into. You may have just finally happened upon the motherload. In any case, the game is hacked to the point that it is unplayable. If you want to play a decent game get a new one that is still properly taken care of. Ninja_Zombie83Black Ops is already a piece of **** without hacks on PS3, full of connection/lag/freeze errors. Don't worry though, it won't be long before that game is hacked to shreds, too, because presently nothing can be done about it. It's not about Activision "taking care of" the game, it's a Sony security breach. Any patch Treyarch administers will quickly be overridden and be entirely inconsequential. Give it three weeks, tops. It will be exactly like MW2.Maybe, maybe not. If it does become a hacked up mess then I will just invite those who don't want to cheat to a private lobby to play. I'm sure there are plenty of legit players who want to play legit games. Exactly what will stop it from becoming just like MW2? Call of Duty is probably the biggest hacking target due to its popularity and there's no reason why hackers won't turn their heads toward it. What you people don't seem to understand is that currently there's nothing that can be done about it. Treyarch release a patch? Easily overridden and irrelevant. I'd say the reason why the hacks have spread so rampantly over MW2 and COD4 is because they already existed and were easily available after all these years yet most people didn't want to use them in fear of having their PS3 bricked and/or PSN ban. Following the security breach and the news of Sony being completely unable to do anything, hackers jailbroke and got them in droves as now there are negligible consequences of using them. BO hacks are probably scarcer than MW2's but it's just a matter of minutes. Somebody makes 'em, uploads them, people catch wind of 'em, and they spread like wildfire among hackers. That's all there is to it, Treyarch currently can't "take care of" Black Ops. Any update is overridden and/or new hacks come up. It all rests on firmware 3.60. We can only hope the hackers are wrong in their assertion that Sony can't do jack. If they're right, PS3 multiplayer is freaking over.
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The hacks in Call of Duty games have been going on for a LOOOOONNNNNG time. Maybe it's more prevalent now because of the "news". It might just be a higher ratio of hackers vs. the population and not have anything to do with the recent cracking of the hardware. I'm sure if there is no way to fix the vulnerability it will only get worse, and effect more games that didn't previously have any problems with cheaters. However with COD the problem already existed BEFORE the PS3 vulnerability was exposed, whether you ran into it or not was just a matter of chance, and of how many people were exploiting it.
I hope Sony just gets on and just starts banning consoles that go online.
Then it'll be fine for the most part.
This is one good reason PC gamers were in an uproar over dedicated servers. If you join a server which an admin is playing on, they'll just ban the cheater. But then again you also have VAC on PC too.
What happens to people cheating on the PS3? I'm guessing there's no cheat detection software involved. Do people just need to report players for cheating and hope Sony hunt them down?
This is one good reason PC gamers were in an uproar over dedicated servers. If you join a server which an admin is playing on, they'll just ban the cheater. But then again you also have VAC on PC too.
What happens to people cheating on the PS3? I'm guessing there's no cheat detection software involved. Do people just need to report players for cheating and hope Sony hunt them down?
-Unreal-
While it's true that dedicated servers can pretty much eliminate the problem, it isn't necessarily just because of the fact that it's on console vs PC. I mean there ARE console games where you can at least choose your game in a browser. I.e. Killzone 2. Those might not be 'dedicated servers' in the same sense as on PC, but at least with a system like that you can pretty much find a game and perhaps play in that same server day after day. If you find a game full of cheaters, than you can pretty much just avoid that server going forward. There are console games that at least have a dedicated server and are not peer to peer.
The problem here with COD is that it's both "matchmaking only" (totally random games) and you are at the behest of a peer to peer connection. Not even knowing much about hacking or netcode, I'm going to just logically assume that a "peer to peer" connection is going to be less secure from hacking than a game that runs on dedicated servers that are actively maintained by SOMEBODY.
[QUOTE="-Unreal-"]
This is one good reason PC gamers were in an uproar over dedicated servers. If you join a server which an admin is playing on, they'll just ban the cheater. But then again you also have VAC on PC too.
What happens to people cheating on the PS3? I'm guessing there's no cheat detection software involved. Do people just need to report players for cheating and hope Sony hunt them down?
2Chalupas
While it's true that dedicated servers can pretty much eliminate the problem, it isn't necessarily just because of the fact that it's on console vs PC. I mean there ARE console games where you can at least choose your game in a browser. I.e. Killzone 2. Those might not be 'dedicated servers' in the same sense as on PC, but at least with a system like that you can pretty much find a game and perhaps play in that same server day after day. If you find a game full of cheaters, than you can pretty much just avoid that server going forward. There are console games that at least have a dedicated server and are not peer to peer.
The problem here with COD is that it's both "matchmaking only" (totally random games) and you are at the behest of a peer to peer connection. Not even knowing much about hacking or netcode, I'm going to just logically assume that a "peer to peer" connection is going to be less secure from hacking than a game that runs on dedicated servers that are actively maintained by SOMEBODY.
P2P networks, from a security perspective, are not secure. In a PC environment a small P2P network might be only because you can upgrade or change the security on each individual node at the same time, as soon as the P2P network becomes larger you can't count on the individuals to keep their systems up to date. Server/Client networks are a million times more secure, not saying there aren't issues- there are it's just easier to control when you have the whole process centralized. The PS3 may be different only because the updates are mandatory meaning the P2P inherent problems with a large network won't be there as everyone is running the latest patches and security. Still, dedicated servers, in my mind, seem to be the smarter thing to do, but in this environment it doesn't seem like the companies want to invest the time and money. . .[QUOTE="zxcqweasd1"][QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. shabab12No, I've never experienced this before ever and it happens right after the security breach. I'm gonna go ahead and assume that it is very related to the security breach, thanks. no words to describe your fail.
What should he think? I'll be honest, yes there have been some hackers, but never to this extent, in either MW2 or COD4. Heck, I came across a guy in Bad Company 2 the other day who was shooting an RPG like it was a machine gun. To say that these hacks are not in any way related to the "big hack" of late is just completely ignorant.
My brother was playing MW2 last night and I warned him that hackers have taken over and he was like smh, whatever. There was a guy on there who was 55-0 and my brother killed him and he didn't get a death streak. He couldn't believe it. Plus, you can tell that it was a hacker, especially when it popped up admin with all the perks and weapons on the screen.
The sad thing is that COD was hacked long before the PS3 was jailbroken/hacked. Sony probably might win this case with the right facts because most ppl think that Sony stripped the "Other OS" feature when they really didn't. They gave everyone an option to keep it, but by doing so, you will lose current access to PSN and couldn't play games that are 3.21 or higher.
I just hope Sony nails the hell out of Geohot for doing this in the first place. He says he doesn't support piracy, but at the end, it still leads to piracy.
Luckily I don't really play online, but this does suck, hopefully Sony figures out a way to fix this or at least prevent it (if BO is more hacker preventive than other games can follow the example like this), though I'm doubtful we'll ever receive a final solution.
Blame the hackers, blame GeoHotz, don't blame Sony they're working on solutions to whatever problems (I assume). These hacks have been going on since the game was released. I otherwise can't think of any other reason why its more widespread. I've been playing games like KZ2, UC2, RE2, and Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and I haven't ran into any problems whatsoever..its most likely COD because its more popular online. The people doing this are douchebags, and I still find it confusing how anyone can support homebrewing on the PS3 after this garbage.yes this really does suck. big time. Sony hasnt even come up wit a real solution yet have they?
hawk549
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yes this really does suck. big time. Sony hasnt even come up wit a real solution yet have they?
Vari3ty
Nope they don't, and who knows if they ever will. I'm done purchasing games for the PS3 until I know Sony can take care of this problem.
Thats a little drastic.. there is more than just online multiplayer you know. and thats gonna be the only thing that'll actually be affected.COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. MrSelf-Destructthis guy right here gets it now spread your gospel so kids stop making these silly hacking threads
[QUOTE="MrSelf-Destruct"]COD4? Dude, that games been hacked like that for years now. Once MW2 came out they left that one to rot. COD games are always getting hacked to bits without the assistance of George Hotz. This new security breach has nothing to do with it. Play a new game. LURCH87this guy right here gets it now spread your gospel so kids stop making these silly hacking threads Yeah 'cause the recent widespread explosion of PSN hacking/cheating has nothing to do with the PS3's masterkey being exposed. Keep telling yourself that buddy.
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