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#1 JoeyPepperoni
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Whats better for gaming 1080i or 720p and do most hdtvs play both
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#2 Rengoku2TSTH
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Both.
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#3 JoeyPepperoni
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ok..... so what do you prefer
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Well, most PS3 games run on 720p. But I always set it up to 1080i. They are both very good quality. I would say set it to the maximum quality your HDTV can handle.
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#5 Da_lil_PimP
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They the same thing. 720p is progressive and 1080i is interlaced
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#6 Acidrain1988
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there not the same,

progesive > Interlaced

1080 > 720

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I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :P
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#8 Acidrain1988
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just fyi, every game out so far is 720p
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Like all TV's now pretty much play 1080i and 720p. For which one is better, it depends how big the TV is and how far you sit from it. For me, its a 32" andim around 6 ft away, and 720p is better for me. 1080i just hurts my eyes when that close.
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just fyi, every game out so far is 720pAcidrain1988

Isnt NBA 1080p?

and some TV's upscale it to 1080i.

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#11 JoeyPepperoni
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wow thanks a ton you really helped clear that up for me
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[QUOTE="Acidrain1988"]just fyi, every game out so far is 720ptrav_have

Isnt NBA 1080p?

and some TV's upscale it to 1080i.

no idea about nba, but upscaling really isnt the same,

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Ridge Rider 7, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, NBA 07 are 1080p. Rainbow Six Vegas is 1080i but my tv upscales to 1080pand i believe Motorstorm is 1080p

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1080p is the best but 720p is generally better then 1080i especially with games since most games tend to have fast motion and the interlacing lines cant keep up with the picture creating a blur effect.
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Ridge Rider 7, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, NBA 07 are 1080p. Rainbow Six Vegas is 1080i but my tv upscales to 1080pand i believe Motorstorm is 1080p

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motorstorm def is not 1080p its 720p

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Whats better for gaming 1080i or 720p and do most hdtvs play bothJoeyPepperoni

Most HDTVs support input of both, but that doesn't mean the display supports both. The only tvs that can show 1080i at it's fullest is either actually a 1080i CRT Tube or CRT Rear projection tvs, or a 1080p tv. Everything else is 720p to 768p tv that does support 1080i input, but will convert it down so it's a wash, you don't get the extra resolution from 1080i, but possible side effects from deinterlacing and liminting the frame rate to 30.

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I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pclsnbrdr616

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

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[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pxuimod

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

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just fyi, every game out so far is 720pAcidrain1988

FYI your WRONG. The PS3 had launch titles that came out at 1080p. So please check your facts before you mae statements

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To answer your question you are best doing some reserach yourself as the answer can be quite complex and confusing, and it comes out to an fuzzy 'it depends'. For some reason discussions over progressive scan and interlaced scan seem to get filled with inaccuracy, guesswork and plain bs. Broadly speaking progressive is better than interlaced at the same resolutionm but that does not mean that it will be a perceptual improvement and is dependant on factors such as viewing distance, source, film or video, display and even the individual viewer (some individuals are sensitive to refresh rates exceeding 100Hz). For a limited bandwidth interlaced scan outperforms progressive in perceptional quality. For all the bleating about 1080p and 1080i probably well under 10% could reliably tell the difference under controlled conditions. At typical loungeroom viewing distances for a 100cm display the quality of the TV's scaler will be more significant than the actual difference between 720p and 1080p. How long is a piece of string?:)
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it actually depends man, some games support all the way to 1080p, but they look better in 720p than 1080p, rainbow 6 vegas in this case, some like ninjga gaiden are beauitful at 1080p , blue ray movies are outstanding at 1080p, and like the above poster said, should make some research on ur own and find out and find out wat ur tv supports, but both 720p and 1080p are good, 10800p though its just wayyyyyy better for movies, and some games, soon every ps3 game will be 1080p with 60 fps and ull forget about 720 lol

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Wow there sure is a lot of text here but not much of it actually addresses the original question... Which is better 720p or 1080i?

For gaming 720p is better than 1080i.
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i prefer 1080i
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Depends on your TV, 1080i looks the best on my TV.
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heres the deal guys...everyone argues over interlaced and progressive, 1080i and 720p. From what i have learned over the years at my school( i go to a computer animation/video production college) is that 720 is indeed usually clearer. The difference in interlace and progressive is Simple. As many of you know tvs have lines of resolution. Interlaced say at 1080 aka 1080i will show u 540 about ever like idk half second if that so that it in one second it indeed shows the full 1080. Progressive at 720 aka 720p will show the full 720 each and every time for all/every scene of the movie or game. The Tv reads the lines from top to bottom. So if you had say 1080i or 1080p 1080p is obvioulsy the much better choice. 1080i or 720p is harder to tell because you get 540 lines and 720 lines being shown. Its so close that on most Tvs its hard to tell whats better. Though 720p is indeed clearer but not by much that it makes a big difference. As a general rule i just set it to 720 because i know its better overall.
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From my personal experience- 720p has been alot smoother, less choppy when the action in my games kick off into high gear. 1080i is just plain beautiful to stare at on my TV- but it chops when said action takes place.

I'd say 720p is better for gaming, the choppyness can really take some of the excitement out of your gaming experience at unnexpected moments. Makes me feel like I was on one of my old PC machines I built a while back- trying to squeeze all the juice out of that old pentium for Quake, lol.

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[QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :PTimothyB

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

How exactly do you know if your TV is downscaling to 720p? or the 1080i at 30fps? How do you check the FPS when your running a game on your TV? Here is my TV, check the specs:

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_lcd%20flat%20panel__26LC7D__null.jhtml

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heres the deal guys...everyone argues over interlaced and progressive, 1080i and 720p. From what i have learned over the years at my school( i go to a computer animation/video production college) is that 720 is indeed usually clearer. The difference in interlace and progressive is Simple. As many of you know tvs have lines of resolution. Interlaced say at 1080 aka 1080i will show u 540 about ever like idk half second if that so that it in one second it indeed shows the full 1080. Progressive at 720 aka 720p will show the full 720 each and every time for all/every scene of the movie or game. The Tv reads the lines from top to bottom. So if you had say 1080i or 1080p 1080p is obvioulsy the much better choice. 1080i or 720p is harder to tell because you get 540 lines and 720 lines being shown. Its so close that on most Tvs its hard to tell whats better. Though 720p is indeed clearer but not by much that it makes a big difference. As a general rule i just set it to 720 because i know its better overall.scayan25

this response was the clearest in the difference between the two and actually leaned towards which is better. I planned on going 1080p all the way anyway....the only issues now are which brand (samsung is calling my name!) and to make sure all my input is correct.

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#29 xuimod
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[QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :PTimothyB

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

i knew about the 720p and it being 720 vs 768 but i just wanted to get the general point out? was too damn late at night (like 2:30am) for me to be worrying about absolute precision.

besides, who buys a crt hdtv nowadaysanyways? really, who does? almost no one. that's just like a really dumb purchasing decision. only stupid people (who don't knowANYTHING about techlogy) or poor people (who can't save up a few extra hundred bucks)buy crt hdtv's. that's it.

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guyhunter wrote; Wow there sure is a lot of text here but not much of it actually addresses the original question... Which is better 720p or 1080i? For gaming 720p is better than 1080i.

Not entirely correct either but very close. When low motion is displayed at 1080p or1080i it very diffcult to discern the difference between p and i and 1080i will appear to have more detail than 720p provided you are close enough to the screen or the screen is large enough. The brain does not discern motion detail very well and cannot easily discern a difference in detail of a fast moving object even if the resolution is dropped in half (540 lines). Since most video games are in fast motion at 60 Hz, 720p is providing more detail data than 1080i except when in low motion or still video. How much of a difference is actually percieved though depends on the individual. If however the source is from film (24 fps) both 1080p and 1080i provide redundant information to the screen at 60 Hz and there no perceptual difference unless flicker is an issue (affecting detail smaller than 2 vertical pixels) which on any modern flatscreen it isn't.
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it actually depends man, some games support all the way to 1080p, but they look better in 720p than 1080p, rainbow 6 vegas in this case, some like ninjga gaiden are beauitful at 1080p , blue ray movies are outstanding at 1080p, and like the above poster said, should make some research on ur own and find out and find out wat ur tv supports, but both 720p and 1080p are good, 10800p though its just wayyyyyy better for movies, and some games, soon every ps3 game will be 1080p with 60 fps and ull forget about 720 lol

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JoKeR_421

Rainbow 6 is not a 1080p game, it's a 720p game, they added a software upscaler to the game to change it to 1080i and 1080p since the PS3 can't normally do that to support things like 1080i only tvs, which initial reports said the game screws up at 1080i. While Ninja Gaiden is a true 1080p game, not upscaled.

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How exactly do you know if your TV is downscaling to 720p? or the 1080i at 30fps? How do you check the FPS when your running a game on your TV? Here is my TV, check the specs:

http://us.lge.com/products/model/detail/tv|audio|video_lcd%20flat%20panel__26LC7D__null.jhtml

jm1080

Your screen is basically a 720p tv, but technically it has a 1366*768 resolution (you can call that 768p). Only way, again, to get any slight advantage over 720p by using 1080i you would need a 1080p tv(1920*1080). Giving your tv 1080i will just for the tv to deinterlace it and scale it down to 768p. During fast motion you may see as little as 540 of the original signal. A game won't say what fps in the options, but if you know a game is 60fps (ninja gaiden said so in the demo description in the PSN), then choosing 1080i is will mean 30fps because the siginal can only reach 60hz, so that is only enough to fit 60 half frames, which once put back togethor is 30 full frames.

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#33 TimothyB
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Basically, there's no simple answer which is better, 720p or 1080i, because it all depends on your tv. For a 720p tv, then 720p would be the usual better choice. A 1080i tv, well then 1080i is the better choice. There's no 720p/1080i tv sold today. Now a 1080p tv, at that point you might as well be using 1080p, but if a game some how was only 720p and 1080i, then 1080i might look better with slow motion with a limit of 30fps, while a fast motion game might look better at 720p with a possible higher fps.
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[QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pxuimod

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

i knew about the 720p and it being 720 vs 768 but i just wanted to get the general point out? was too damn late at night (like 2:30am) for me to be worrying about absolute precision.

besides, who buys a crt hdtv nowadaysanyways? really, who does? almost no one. that's just like a really dumb purchasing decision. only stupid people (who don't knowANYTHING about techlogy) or poor people (who can't save up a few extra hundred bucks)buy crt hdtv's. that's it.

That's not entirely true. People that buy CRT hdtv's usually do so for the fact that they produce best picture on non HD programming compared to other tech. My CRT hdtv's picture absolutely "KILLS" my LCD and DLP when watching a non HD broadcast. Since there are barely any HD stations broadcasting 24/7 (maybe 15 tops), I use my CRT when watching regular TV and my other ones while watching movies and sporting events.

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[QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pjimmarko21876

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

i knew about the 720p and it being 720 vs 768 but i just wanted to get the general point out? was too damn late at night (like 2:30am) for me to be worrying about absolute precision.

besides, who buys a crt hdtv nowadaysanyways? really, who does? almost no one. that's just like a really dumb purchasing decision. only stupid people (who don't knowANYTHING about techlogy) or poor people (who can't save up a few extra hundred bucks)buy crt hdtv's. that's it.

That's not entirely true. People that buy CRT hdtv's usually do so for the fact that they produce best picture on non HD programming compared to other tech. My CRT hdtv's picture absolutely "KILLS" my LCD and DLP when watching a non HD broadcast. Since there are barely any HD stations broadcasting 24/7 (maybe 15 tops), I use my CRT when watching regular TV and my other ones while watching movies and sporting events.

so ur trying to tell me, if you had $1500 to spend on an hdtv now, you would get a CRT?!? LMAO.

if someone had $1500 to spend on an hdtv, only an idiot would buy a CRT.

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[QUOTE="jimmarko21876"][QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pxuimod

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

i knew about the 720p and it being 720 vs 768 but i just wanted to get the general point out? was too damn late at night (like 2:30am) for me to be worrying about absolute precision.

besides, who buys a crt hdtv nowadaysanyways? really, who does? almost no one. that's just like a really dumb purchasing decision. only stupid people (who don't knowANYTHING about techlogy) or poor people (who can't save up a few extra hundred bucks)buy crt hdtv's. that's it.

That's not entirely true. People that buy CRT hdtv's usually do so for the fact that they produce best picture on non HD programming compared to other tech. My CRT hdtv's picture absolutely "KILLS" my LCD and DLP when watching a non HD broadcast. Since there are barely any HD stations broadcasting 24/7 (maybe 15 tops), I use my CRT when watching regular TV and my other ones while watching movies and sporting events.

so ur trying to tell me, if you had $1500 to spend on an hdtv now, you would get a CRT?!? LMAO.

if someone had $1500 to spend on an hdtv, only an idiot would buy a CRT.

To tell you the the trurh only an IDIOT would spend $1,500 on a HDTV to begin with (got great deals on mine). Like I said earlier, there are not enoughprogramming to justify spending that much money on to just watch movies and games (PS3-360).

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[QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="jimmarko21876"][QUOTE="xuimod"][QUOTE="TimothyB"][QUOTE="xuimod"]

[QUOTE="clsnbrdr616"]I just had to exchange my TV. My original one was 1080i native and my new one is a 720p. I can honestly say that the 1080i was nice because it had more lines of resolution, but the 720p has a much sharper image. Since I've now seen both, in my opinion I like them both equally. I just didn't have enough money to upgrade to a 1080p, darn, lol :P So it kind of up to you which one you like better.

To your second question TVs can only display their native resolution, so while they may take input at both 720p and 1080i, it can only display it in the TVs native resolution. Example: if the TVs native resolution is 1080i it might take 720p but it has to convert the image to 1080i. The opposite is true for a 720p set. Picking a different input than your TV's native resolution my look better or worse depending on your TV and it scaler/image processing.

Edit... I guess there could be TVs that can ACTUALLY display both, but I just haven't heard of any, if any knows of any TV like this, please let us know. :Pjimmarko21876

dude, there are no tv's that have native 1080i resolution. 1080i is by defintion 1080x1920 but interlaced. if you buy a tv now thathas 1080x1920, it will be able to do 1080p period.

tv's now are usually either 720p native (1280 x 768 ) or 1080p native (1080x1920). that's it, there's really no such thing as 1080i native. but the 1080i signal can be resized for a smaller 720p screen or displayed 'natively' (aka sized unchanged) ona 1080p screen but it being interlaced (hence the 'i').

Well, there are still a small number of 1080i CRT tvs. Also, even most 1080p high end tvs can't properly inverse teceline film 1080i sources, you end up seeing 540 when fast motion happens.

Also, 720p is 1280*720, not 768, as why would a name like 720p that stands for 720 lines have 768 lines? And for some reason you wrote 1080p backwards, while you didn't with 720p. Just clearing it up.

But you make a good point that people don't understand where most all tvs sold now are progressive, either 1280*720 (720p), often 1366*768 (easier to manufacture in existing facilities) or 1920*1080 (1080p). But so many think because their LCD says 720p/1080i that they actually have a 1080i tv and will run Ninja Gaiden at 1080i at 30fps that's downscaled to 720p when they could have just picked 720p at full 60fps.

i knew about the 720p and it being 720 vs 768 but i just wanted to get the general point out? was too damn late at night (like 2:30am) for me to be worrying about absolute precision.

besides, who buys a crt hdtv nowadaysanyways? really, who does? almost no one. that's just like a really dumb purchasing decision. only stupid people (who don't knowANYTHING about techlogy) or poor people (who can't save up a few extra hundred bucks)buy crt hdtv's. that's it.

That's not entirely true. People that buy CRT hdtv's usually do so for the fact that they produce best picture on non HD programming compared to other tech. My CRT hdtv's picture absolutely "KILLS" my LCD and DLP when watching a non HD broadcast. Since there are barely any HD stations broadcasting 24/7 (maybe 15 tops), I use my CRT when watching regular TV and my other ones while watching movies and sporting events.

so ur trying to tell me, if you had $1500 to spend on an hdtv now, you would get a CRT?!? LMAO.

if someone had $1500 to spend on an hdtv, only an idiot would buy a CRT.

To tell you the the trurh only an IDIOT would spend $1,500 on a HDTV to begin with (got great deals on mine). Like I said earlier, there are not enoughprogramming to justify spending that much money on to just watch movies and games (PS3-360).

no, plenty of rich, smart people spend $1500+ on hdtv's, especially for 50+inches (that's not dlp).

again, only an idiot or a poor person would buy a crt hdtv.

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Some people prefer the quality of a CRT Rear Projection professionally calibrated over most rear projections, as usually they have the best blacks. Though, in the last 2 years I can imagine the gap has close up considerably. And many found the last 34inch CRT Sony HDTV for around $800 to be a bargain and the best picture out there compared to a 32inch LCD. Now if someone pays $500 for a Sasmsung Slimfit HD CRT, that's a mistake.

$1500 is nothing in the HDTV world. Sure, if you are a kid and need something for your bedroom, spending that much is a lot. But if you have your own place like me, and wanted something really good for movies, then spending a little more is no worse than paying for a high-end computer, except the tv will last you a lot longer. And with plent of 2 year no interest deals, it's even easier to pay it off.

Obviously I wouldn't want to pay $4000 for some XBR Sony 52inch LCD, that's way too much, way too small, and doesn't have the deepest blacks making it worth while. I paid $2800 for my previous tv 2 years ago, a 55inch 768p LCD Rear Projection Sony 55xs955 (most people don't even know the model of the tv they bought yesterday). It was top of the line and just before big price drops, great picture, but really bad blacks (just before all the iris stuff). Now I just bought a 65inch 1080p DLP for $1750, with really deep blacks. When I first turned it on and tried HD trailers off the PS3 I was stunned and knew my money wasn't wasted. For my bedroom, I bought a $500 Olevia 32inch, didn't need the best there.

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It's probably just me, but images look better to me on a television if they're in the tv's native resolution. If you have a native 1080 screen, then 1080i looks better than 720p to me lol.
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It's probably just me, but images look better to me on a television if they're in the tv's native resolution. If you have a native 1080 screen, then 1080i looks better than 720p to me lol.CJL182

yeah, that's definately how its supposed to work. if you have the choice between 1080 or 720 ***outputs*** then chose according to what your tv's native resolution is. just play the matching game, very easy concept.