Hey look! Nobody's reporting Sony's Euro success!

OH look! Nothing on IGN or Gamepro either....jeez....SkyCastleDan

Actually IGN did post on this.  That is where I first saw the figures 

All i know atm in Australia the PS3 got more pre-orders than the 360 and the WII.

Sales in Australia for the PS3 atm is also highier than WII and 360 but its just been released so thats to be expected.
Australia is more for Sony than anything else, and im not a fan boy i've had all sorts of systems the original nintendo, super nintendo, N64, PSX, Xbox, and now PS3. Im also a big fan of comp games so thats my honest opinion and knowledge of  whats happening in Australia atm.

in the uk it was 165,000 in the first day and 600,000 in the first weeklonghorn7

Seeing as the UK didn't even have 600,000 units to begin with; false. 

I've read in numerous UK press that Sony sold 165,000 PS3s over the weekend.  The reason why it SEEMED as though it wasn't selling well was because Sony provided more stock allocation to Europe than Nintendo And Microsoft did - it's that simple. 

I can't believe people are actually slagging Sony off because they've given us enough stock.  So what, a launch event is only perceived as a success when consumers struggle to get their hands on the console?  That's ridiculous.  Considering how long us Europeans had to wait, it would have been a bloody cheek for Sony to launch without enough units.

[QUOTE="longhorn7"]in the uk it was 165,000 in the first day and 600,000 in the first week-Saul

Seeing as the UK didn't even have 600,000 units to begin with; false.

Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.-Saul

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.longhorn7

Best. Sig. Ever.

[QUOTE="-Saul"]

[QUOTE="longhorn7"]in the uk it was 165,000 in the first day and 600,000 in the first weeklonghorn7

Seeing as the UK didn't even have 600,000 units to begin with; false.

Oops, forgot that smiley face! Don't want anyone to think I'm some savage fanboy. 

Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.-Saul

This was posted on IGN, 1up, Gamedaily, and Gameindustry.biz (a UK site)... looks like Sony really DID have a kick ass launch. 600,000 units total in one week? Thats impressive on any continent. ajefferism

Ok the reason no news channels or anything are reporting it is becasue (and I know I sound perinoid and all but) because they've been paid off by M$. M$ is the riches company in the world because it has a never ending supply of $ streaming in from other parts if necessary. M$ doen't do much with thier console, its all send on adds, and they do some really random stuff. One thing they do more than anything is Viral marketing. and they also pay people to give their (M$'s) opinoin,W3dotCOM

Ok the reason no news channels or anything are reporting it is becasue (and I know I sound perinoid and all but) because they've been paid off by M$. M$ is the riches company in the world because it has a never ending supply of $ streaming in from other parts if necessary. M$ doen't do much with thier console, its all send on adds, and they do some really random stuff. One thing they do more than anything is Viral marketing. and they also pay people to give their (M$'s) opinoin,W3dotCOM

And Sony doesn't? :roll:

[QUOTE="W3dotCOM"]Ok the reason no news channels or anything are reporting it is becasue (and I know I sound perinoid and all but) because they've been paid off by M$. M$ is the riches company in the world because it has a never ending supply of $ streaming in from other parts if necessary. M$ doen't do much with thier console, its all send on adds, and they do some really random stuff. One thing they do more than anything is Viral marketing. and they also pay people to give their (M$'s) opinoin,_Tobli_

And Sony doesn't? :roll:

While I may not agree that Microsoft has paid off companys to promote their product as number one. I would believe that others such as GameSpot, IGN, GameInformer to name just a few - have formed their own  opinion as to which system is the best. Microsoft is a large and quite successful company, and no doubt the first Xbox was a good system out performing the PS2 in game quality, however, not quantity. With all this being said there are trends in game consoles just as their are in the scientifitc community (cough - global warming - cough) and Politics (cough - Iraq War - cough). Whether you choose to succumb to the trend is entirely up to you. More often than not the fad will fade and the truth of the matter through hindsight will emerge.

In this case you have three systems, the Wii, Xbox360 and PS3 - the PS3 being the underdog for now. There has been a lot of complaining about the cost of the Ps3 vs the cost of the 360. As recently as the article regarding the 360 elite was released did people begin to see what the new technology in the Ps3 really costs as well as its potential.

Why hasn't the success of the Euro launch of the Ps3 been given attention? Simple, it is fashionable to disapprove of the Ps3 at this time, just as those who do not believe Global Warming is occuring or that the war in Iraq is wrong - are shunned. In time the victor will emerge and I believe that to be the Ps3.

 I have not always been a fan of Sony - but the more I see their willingness to lose money on systems to gain support and give more functionality to their systems (ie. blue-ray, hdmi, hd-dvd, free online, etc) the more I have come to appreciate their ambitions for future gaming, as I suspect many developers will also.

The Ps3 will have its day in glory - give it time. The more Microsoft attempts to keep pace making its consumers spend more and more for upgrades the Ps3 comes with straight out of the box - the more people will understand why they should have bought that Ps3 from the get-go.

Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.-Saul

 I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.crazygunz

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

While I may not agree that Microsoft has paid off companys to promote their product as number one. I would believe that others such as GameSpot, IGN, GameInformer to name just a few - have formed their own  opinion as to which system is the best. Microsoft is a large and quite successful company, and no doubt the first Xbox was a good system out performing the PS2 in game quality, however, not quantity. With all this being said there are trends in game consoles just as their are in the scientifitc community (cough - global warming - cough) and Politics (cough - Iraq War - cough). Whether you choose to succumb to the trend is entirely up to you. More often than not the fad will fade and the truth of the matter through hindsight will emerge.

In this case you have three systems, the Wii, Xbox360 and PS3 - the PS3 being the underdog for now. There has been a lot of complaining about the cost of the Ps3 vs the cost of the 360. As recently as the article regarding the 360 elite was released did people begin to see what the new technology in the Ps3 really costs as well as its potential.

Why hasn't the success of the Euro launch of the Ps3 been given attention? Simple, it is fashionable to disapprove of the Ps3 at this time, just as those who do not believe Global Warming is occuring or that the war in Iraq is wrong - are shunned. In time the victor will emerge and I believe that to be the Ps3.

 I have not always been a fan of Sony - but the more I see their willingness to lose money on systems to gain support and give more functionality to their systems (ie. blue-ray, hdmi, hd-dvd, free online, etc) the more I have come to appreciate their ambitions for future gaming, as I suspect many developers will also.

The Ps3 will have its day in glory - give it time. The more Microsoft attempts to keep pace making its consumers spend more and more for upgrades the Ps3 comes with straight out of the box - the more people will understand why they should have bought that Ps3 from the get-go.

 

Cyphus07

There surporting the home team...

[QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.tantalum2006

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

[QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.Da_lil_PimP

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

[QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.tantalum2006

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success?  Really then?  What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.-Saul

[QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.UntoldDreams

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success? Really then? What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

What a surprise! Nothing on G4's page, and all of a sudden, the news is off of Gamespots page as well....anyone else notice this? Please remember the original time of this post before answering to this thread. Man, the man just keeps holding the PS3 down eh?SkyCastleDan

Get use to it, but by the end of this year, they'll kiss its ass. Most sites are against ps3....just how it is.

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.dubbleduecer

[QUOTE="dubbleduecer"][QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.longhorn7

[QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.UntoldDreams

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success? Really then? What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

[QUOTE="dubbleduecer"][QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.longhorn7

[QUOTE="UntoldDreams"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.tantalum2006

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success? Really then? What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

The words from your mouth are very subjective yet you don't acknowledge it.  Let some reality in my friend...

*** Who is to say, definitively what the philosophical definition of launch success is?

The most BASIC defiintion: 
Did you sell a lot?  Did you sell more than any other guy previously?

For you to make the argument EVEN FOR SECOND that a non-constrained WII would obivously outsell might be true but you are arguing "FICTION".   Why would any logical person decide to argue FICTION over REALITY?

Look I could say Sony should just drop the price $50 and they would have sold all 1 MILLION units and dominate all the world.   How can you say I am wrong?  You can't nor can I say the WII would have sold 1 million because it is indeed theoretical.

The point is you can't take FICTION (the stuff you are saying) and try to downplay REALITY (600,000 in a day is impressive).

I'm sorry but you should accept that Sony did well and take it like a man.

[QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="UntoldDreams"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.UntoldDreams

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success? Really then? What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

The words from your mouth are very subjective yet you don't acknowledge it. Let some reality in my friend...

*** Who is to say, definitively what the philosophical definition of launch success is?

The most BASIC defiintion:
Did you sell a lot? Did you sell more than any other guy previously?

For you to make the argument EVEN FOR SECOND that a non-constrained WII would obivously outsell might be true but you are arguing "FICTION". Why would any logical person decide to argue FICTION over REALITY?

Look I could say Sony should just drop the price $50 and they would have sold all 1 MILLION units and dominate all the world. How can you say I am wrong? You can't nor can I say the WII would have sold 1 million because it is indeed theoretical.

The point is you can't take FICTION (the stuff you are saying) and try to downplay REALITY (600,000 in a day is impressive).

I'm sorry but you should accept that Sony did well and take it like a man.

I didn't argue for a second that an unconstrained Wii would obviosuly outsell. I never said anything of the sort. I said you don't know what would happen (nor do I know that). I said you can not compare the three launches because there are obvious variable differences between the launches that makes such a comparison invalid. And sorry but i don't think Sony did that great for the launch. They had an OK launch, at best depending on who you talk to, and it was far from outstanding. What the launch showed at this point was that less than million people truly wanted the PS3. The rest are very much in wait and see mode and if North America and Japan are any indication right now people are purchasing the 360 and Wii more in North America (Despite the 360 being out for a year) and the Wii more in Japan. That's the test of the console launch and certianly in North America and Japan it is hard to argue anything other than it has been disappointing to this point for Sony. For Europe we don't know what it say yet, whcih is again my point. If the sales completely tail off and the PS3's start collecting dust as they are doing in the other markets it isn't a good sign.

There is nothing to take like a man. Sony released a console and odds are that like the North American and Japan launch there was some good press, some glitz and glamour for a few days maybe even a few weeks and after that they will stop moving. That is, as I mentioned somewhere (perhaps this thread perhaps not), until they get a console moving game into the game library. Then they may start to pick up steam but every week that goes by without that they appear to be losing ground.

Perhaps you can judge the launch your way. Fine by me. I'll judge it by Sony's standards: Pre-Novemeber launch they expected to have 6 million in peoples homes by end of March (remember Sony saying they don't count a sale until its in a home unlike microsoft BS...that's suddenly changed I noticed to consoles shipped just like MS). Even with the launch and supply problems they stuck to that number. They won't have that. It will most likely be under 3 million in peoples homes. Not what I would call success and pretty sure not what Sony calls success given the replacement of certain executives.

In the end it is probably comparable to the 360 launch which did roughly hit the 5.5 mil or something first six month target they were targetting (again shipped numbers) and the 10 million by end of 2006 number. But again, by Sony's own definition I don't think that at best having the same type of launch as the 360 is a success.

It's also fair to say that Microsoft has taken the PS3 challenge seriously by limiting PS3 exclusives.  And it is more than fair to say that neither Sony nor Microsoft expected the Wii to do what it did.  Even if it ends up being a fad (I don't think it will end up that way...just the sheer number already sold means developers will be concentrating on putting out good games for the Wii as well).

[QUOTE="UntoldDreams"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="UntoldDreams"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="Da_lil_PimP"][QUOTE="tantalum2006"][QUOTE="crazygunz"]

[QUOTE="-Saul"]Errr... I live in Europe and X360's were sold out on the first day and later shipments from December-April were sold out immediately as well. It started being actually on the shelves in May of 2006. The Wii still isn't available anywhere here. But the launch batch of PS3's are still in stock. A few shops I went by actually sold around half of them. So it isn't a big success when you look at the competitors' sales.tantalum2006

I like it when people who have never taken a business class or been involved in economics at all post crap like this on the forums. One of the first rules of supply in business: Do not run out of stock. Why do you think Sony broke sales records and sold MORE, yes more than the 360 and Wii in Europe compared to their launches. They provided enough systems. Go back to the 360 boards and talk about how you're going to start raising money to buy and Elite 360.

Record sales in Uk/France is not a success? Really then? What's your definition of success?

People shoot each other with guns over the PS3 is your definition of success?

We had that here in the USA thank you very much and it sucked ass.

The words from your mouth are very subjective yet you don't acknowledge it. Let some reality in my friend...

*** Who is to say, definitively what the philosophical definition of launch success is?

The most BASIC defiintion:
Did you sell a lot? Did you sell more than any other guy previously?

For you to make the argument EVEN FOR SECOND that a non-constrained WII would obivously outsell might be true but you are arguing "FICTION". Why would any logical person decide to argue FICTION over REALITY?

Look I could say Sony should just drop the price $50 and they would have sold all 1 MILLION units and dominate all the world. How can you say I am wrong? You can't nor can I say the WII would have sold 1 million because it is indeed theoretical.

The point is you can't take FICTION (the stuff you are saying) and try to downplay REALITY (600,000 in a day is impressive).

I'm sorry but you should accept that Sony did well and take it like a man.

I didn't argue for a second that an unconstrained Wii would obviosuly outsell. I never said anything of the sort. I said you don't know what would happen (nor do I know that). I said you can not compare the three launches because there are obvious variable differences between the launches that makes such a comparison invalid. And sorry but i don't think Sony did that great for the launch. They had an OK launch at best and it was far from outstanding. What the launch showed at this pioint was that less than million people truly wanted the PS3. The rest are very much in wait and see mode and if North America and Japan are any indication right now people are purchasing the 360 and Wii more in North America (Despite teh 360 being out for a year) and the Wii more in Japan. That's the test of the console launch and certianyl in North America and Japan it is hard to argue anything other than it has been disappointing to this point for Sony. For Europe we don;t know what it say yet, whcih is again my point. If the sales completely tail off and the PS3's start collecting dust as they are doing in the other markets it isn't a good sign.

There is nothing to take like a man. Sony released a console and odds are that like the North American and Japan launch there was some good press, some glitz and glamour for a few days maybe even a few weeks and after that they will stop moving. That is, as I mentioned somewhere (perhaps this thread perhaps not), until they get a console moving game into the game library. Then they may start to pick up steam but every week that goes by without that they appear to be losing ground.

Perhaps you can judge the launch your way. Fine by me. I'll judge it by Sony's standards: Pre-Novemeber launch they expected to have 6 million in peoples homes by end of March (remember Sony saying they don't count a sale until its in a home unlike microsoft BS...that's suddenly changed I noticed to consoles shipped just like MS). Even with the launch and supply problems they stuck to that number. They won't have that. It will most likely be under 3 million in peoples homes. Not what I would call success and pretty sure not what Sony calls success given the replacement of certain executives.

In the end it is probably comparable to the 360 launch which did roughly hit the 5.5 mil or something first six month target they were hitting (again shipped numbers) and the 10 million by end of 2006 number. But again, by Sony's own definition I don't think that at best having the same type of launch as the 360 is a success.

Are we all done bashing each other's consoles yet? I hope all fanboys get hit by a semi truck carrying their favorite console... :|Bladecutter56

I wasn't bashing any console.  They are all good IMO. 

different variables that MADE IT A SUCCESS. these "different variables" as you say are the things that set their launch apart as a success. Sony made a better desision than microsoft or nintendo for their launch. thats why they did better on their launch than either of the two companies. just because someone makes a smarter decision does not make the whole situation completely different.

That's all i'm saying. I'm not saying the PS3 is a horrible machine. I'm not saying the launch was disastrous. I'm not saying don't buy one and you are an idot for doing so. I'm saying i don't think anyone should be fooled into thinking the launch of the PS3 thus far has been anything but a disappointment to Sony. It has been.

[QUOTE="Bladecutter56"]Are we all done bashing each other's consoles yet? I hope all fanboys get hit by a semi truck carrying their favorite console... :|tantalum2006

I wasn't bashing any console. They are all good IMO.

different variables that MADE IT A SUCCESS. these "different variables" as you say are the things that set their launch apart as a success. Sony made a better desision than microsoft or nintendo for their launch. thats why they did better on their launch than either of the two companies. just because someone makes a smarter decision does not make the whole situation completely different. tantalum2006

It does when in the launch period of more than a couple of days the company doesn't sell as many consoles...as happened in North America. Which once again is the point. One or two day or 7 day sales mean little. Let's see what happens in May. In North America the new console is getting outsold by the year old one by a large margin the beginning of this year. And the Wii is bell of the ball.

That's all i'm saying. I'm not saying the PS3 is a horrible machine. I'm not saying the launch was disastrous. I'm not saying don't buy one and you are an idot for doing so. I'm saying i don't think anyone should be fooled into thinking the launch of the PS3 thus far has been anything but a disappointment to Sony. It has been.