how come japanese devs make better looking games?

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#1 d_ano
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of all the racing games coming out gran turismo has to be the most real looking game of them all. the gt games have always been ahead of the rest as far as graphics go, im sure ye will say 'but gt is a racing simulator its supposed to be real'. well why dont all games look like that gt is very nice to look at.

ff13 is already looking to be graphicly best video game ever made and the thing still has a year to go until its finished. metal gear solid 4 isnt exactly real looking but wow its so detailed they put the smallist details i have ever seen into this game.

there is other games that i can add that are made in japan but these are the games that realy stand out from the rest

im not saying that other devs or crap or anything i still think that epic games do a great job and infinity ward did an amazing job with cod4 but they just dont look like any of the japanese games why? all game devs know how to make games (exception of EA) but the standard seems to be much higher in japan, what are they doing differently?

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#2 SolidSnake2020
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They are more talented and don't complain about how hard it is it develop or anything like the other western developers do.

Meaning they put all their efforts in their games, I seriously want to visit JP.

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Big part is played because PlayStation 3 is a Japanese console.

It's a fact that Japanese working community is a very hard one, they are like bees, constantly working very hard and prety much take a great pride in any job they do - which also means being a developer.

When you're a working in a company, it's like a family. Unlike in most other parts of the world, you don't have to fear to be fired away all of a suden. Everyone works to make the company proud. I know this from personal experience.

It's expected to give 110%, that's the reason I see most games from Japan in high quality.

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#4 jwat4
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Uh you ever heard of a couple of Companies, Naughty Dog and Epic, Infinity Ward....

I guess if you like the Japanese style then its a stylistic thing. COD4 is very well done, Uncharted is the best looking console game of this generation so far...Gears of War is about as good as it gets on a 360 currently...

Honestly right now out of the games released I dont think we have seen much of anything from the Japanese devs...

I know there is more to come but really its all a matter of taste I guess.

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Lol, I guess the main point is, beause they work harder, xD
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#6 arbiterludorum
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Right. And Americans are all lazy fatasses.

I don't know what TC is talking about, the best-looking games I've seen on the PS3 this generation have not been Japanese (Heavenly Sword, Uncharted). And the best-looking 360 games, IMO, also have not been Japanese.

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#7 GeneralX84
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'cause most japanese devs give a s*** about their game, not just money

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#8 knicknut17
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Japanese people in general are a proud race and they have very high standards. It's very rare to see them rush a game and release a crappy one full of glitches (hear me EA and Ubisoft?). They'd rather tell you to wait, for as long as they want, see Metal Gear Solid 4 and Gran Turismo 5, until the game is the way they want it.

I wouldn't say that they don't care about deadlines, but the final product is usually polished to a sheen. Delays are common, but great games are common too. I like Japanese games because I like the overall art style and direction from them. They also seem to focus on story more than most others developers. I'd be interested in seeing a Japanese twist on a FPS to be honest.

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Work ethic, creativity, and passion.
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Americans work more than the japanese but not harder. But right now imo heavenly sword and uncharted are the best looking games so far .
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Big part is played because PlayStation 3 is a Japanese console.

It's a fact that Japanese working community is a very hard one, they are like bees, constantly working very hard and prety much take a great pride in any job they do - which also means being a developer.

When you're a working in a company, it's like a family. Unlike in most other parts of the world, you don't have to fear to be fired away all of a suden. Everyone works to make the company proud. I know this from personal experience.

It's expected to give 110%, that's the reason I see most games from Japan in high quality.

Sokol4ever

wow that sounds like a right answer if there could be 1. if only the rest of the world could be like this. i know it must suck to have a nasty boss but at the end of the day you are being paid to do your job and we have gotten used to slacking off and getting paid for it. id love to go over there some day the language is very interesting

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Japanese people works better. Its a country thats all out for quality. Anyone who is study Bussiness Adm know that most of todays theories and proccesses to improve quality in many areas came from Japan. Some good examples are Toyota and Sony, look how massive their products are, and how have they triumphed almost everywhere.

On the other side, Americans try to force their way of culture into others, from Fords big cars, to music (as rap). While they only care about profits.

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#13 kenshinhimura16
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[QUOTE="Sokol4ever"]

Big part is played because PlayStation 3 is a Japanese console.

It's a fact that Japanese working community is a very hard one, they are like bees, constantly working very hard and prety much take a great pride in any job they do - which also means being a developer.

When you're a working in a company, it's like a family. Unlike in most other parts of the world, you don't have to fear to be fired away all of a suden. Everyone works to make the company proud. I know this from personal experience.

It's expected to give 110%, that's the reason I see most games from Japan in high quality.

d_ano

wow that sounds like a right answer if there could be 1. if only the rest of the world could be like this. i know it must suck to have a nasty boss but at the end of the day you are being paid to do your job and we have gotten used to slacking off and getting paid for it. id love to go over there some day the language is very interesting

Dont tell me, I mstill trying to learn it :P

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Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!
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actually gt has not always been the best looking,, look at burnout revenge last gens version,,, and now project gotham racing 4 with its ultra realistic weather effects etc etc
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I believe it's a genitalia thing, nations with smaller endowment tend to focus more on intelligence and schooling to avoid depression making them smarter, that and not as much blood has to be used for a small endowment allowing more to travel to the brain on a daily basis. Henceforth, creating better video games...
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i only like japan gameon ps1, but now it seems like they been catch up or gotbeaten by other country dev now, i'm interested inamerican game more now, japan dev sure is not lazy and they game is hardly any glitch, but they suck at making action game, compare to american game these days, but i still like japan rpg.
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#18 jojo198
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TC i dont think u have seen or played allot of game these day, but i seen alot of game thatlooks way better than japan game, or maybe u talking about in ps1 era than i'll agree with u, most of japan game these day looks outdated compare to any country dev game.

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Japanese games look okay look at uncharted, crysis, ut3, ff13(based on an american engine), assissans creed, gears of war, and killzone 2.
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Japanese games look okay look at uncharted, crysis, ut3, ff13(based on an american engine), assissans creed, gears of war, and killzone 2.haseeb_1989

Uh, no. They got the engine, but the White engine is still in effect I believe.

ANYWAYS. They look/play better because they are not money bhoring witches that forgot what gaming was all about.

Of coruse, not all American devs do that, right FEAR port?

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#21 OmegaTau
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becuase its not all about how much shade rs they have and textures they take the system for what it is and make the best of it and also the art style is more important to them then "is my textures high res or low"

look at SMG for the Nintendo wii that game is beautiful but on a technically level it does not have all that dynamic lighting and blah blah blah.

cant wait for ff13,mgs4 white knight chronicles just to name a few Japanese developed games

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of all the racing games coming out gran turismo has to be the most real looking game of them all. the gt games have always been ahead of the rest as far as graphics go, im sure ye will say 'but gt is a racing simulator its supposed to be real'. well why dont all games look like that gt is very nice to look at.

ff13 is already looking to be graphicly best video game ever made and the thing still has a year to go until its finished. metal gear solid 4 isnt exactly real looking but wow its so detailed they put the smallist details i have ever seen into this game.

there is other games that i can add that are made in japan but these are the games that realy stand out from the rest

im not saying that other devs or crap or anything i still think that epic games do a great job and infinity ward did an amazing job with cod4 but they just dont look like any of the japanese games why? all game devs know how to make games (exception of EA) but the standard seems to be much higher in japan, what are they doing differently?

d_ano

wrong they both share the best looking and playing games. (heck even other countries too, it's not just Japan and US)

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Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!The_G00se

Must not be "that" smart if they're dating people like you :P j/k

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[QUOTE="The_G00se"]Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!jimmarko21876

Must not be "that" smart if they're dating people like you :P j/k

:o

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[QUOTE="The_G00se"]Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!jimmarko21876

Must not be "that" smart if they're dating people like you :P j/k

most Asia a dumb, in-fact i am asia!

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#26 Symphonycometh
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[QUOTE="jimmarko21876"]

[QUOTE="The_G00se"]Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!jojo198

Must not be "that" smart if they're dating people like you :P j/k

most Asia a dumb, in-fact i am asia!

:lol:

Funny.

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most Asia a dumb, in-fact i am asia!

jojo198

Oh God the irony, I lol'd...

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#28 d_ano
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[QUOTE="The_G00se"]Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!jimmarko21876

Must not be "that" smart if they're dating people like you :P j/k

OMG BURN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Japanese games look okay look at uncharted, crysis, ut3, ff13(based on an american engine), assissans creed, gears of war, and killzone 2.haseeb_1989

Are you ignorant? Dont post BS.

FF XIII and Versus XIII are being developed with the White Engine, not the Unreal Engine. The Unreal Engine is only being used for 1, let me repeat, 1 game. And that game is The Last Remnant.

You may say chill out, but a lot of ignorant ppl are saying FF XIII is using the UE and thats a lie that bad reported news made some believe.

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[QUOTE="haseeb_1989"]Japanese games look okay look at uncharted, crysis, ut3, ff13(based on an american engine), assissans creed, gears of war, and killzone 2.kenshinhimura16

Are you ignorant? Dont post BS.

FF XIII and Versus XIII are being developed with the White Engine, not the Unreal Engine. The Unreal Engine is only being used for 1, let me repeat, 1 game. And that game is The Last Remnant.

You may say chill out, but a lot of ignorant ppl are saying FF XIII is using the UE and thats a lie that bad reported news made some believe.

100% correct. SE did license the Unreal Engine and plan on using it for games that aren't Final Fantasy. The White engine was developed to take advantage of the Cell Processor. I highly doubt they would toss away a custom made engine by them for something else.

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#31 kenshinhimura16
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[QUOTE="kenshinhimura16"]

[QUOTE="haseeb_1989"]Japanese games look okay look at uncharted, crysis, ut3, ff13(based on an american engine), assissans creed, gears of war, and killzone 2.TelcharXI

Are you ignorant? Dont post BS.

FF XIII and Versus XIII are being developed with the White Engine, not the Unreal Engine. The Unreal Engine is only being used for 1, let me repeat, 1 game. And that game is The Last Remnant.

You may say chill out, but a lot of ignorant ppl are saying FF XIII is using the UE and thats a lie that bad reported news made some believe.

100% correct. SE did license the Unreal Engine and plan on using it for games that aren't Final Fantasy. The White engine was developed to take advantage of the Cell Processor. I highly doubt they would toss away a custom made engine by them for something else.

They didnt, infact there was a report yesterday about it. But the first informs were misstranslated. The Engine is going fine, and the game too.

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#32 TelcharXI
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Did they state how far along they are? I seem to have a hard time finding these things out
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Seems the Asian developers are overcompensating for something else.
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I think it could have to do a little bit about the fact that they are so conservative, and take alot of pride in what they do....
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Japanese people works better. Its a country thats all out for quality. Anyone who is study Bussiness Adm know that most of todays theories and proccesses to improve quality in many areas came from Japan. Some good examples are Toyota and Sony, look how massive their products are, and how have they triumphed almost everywhere.

On the other side, Americans try to force their way of culture into others, from Fords big cars, to music (as rap). While they only care about profits.

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actually, sony is innovative, or their engeneers are, toyata just steals designes off of german cars, uses old technology, and still doesnt offer things standard that should be standard by today standards, its a cheap car company that makes good hybrids, good engines even if old tech, and has really crappy everything else like interior stuff. American companies are the opposite with nice worse engines that have major parts like alternators break, and water pumps while have very dirable interiors and other stuff. German companies are probable the best. Good powerful engines, lasting electronics, besides mercedes, even though they do every thing 15 years before japanese and american can think of like electronic stability control and other innovation decades ahead of comp. sony it great because it makes high quality products that last for a very long time.
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Seems the Asian developers are overcompensating for something else.ocelotcougar

Seems like you're just saying that to compensate for something too..

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*** developers is wayyyyyyy better than US developers. Of course if is for 1st party games, US and UK developers are 1 of the best. But once it comes to 3rd party games, it's TOTALLY different. Look at Square-Enix, look at Kojima, look at Level 5. Get the picture?

All *** people work harder than usual. I had just been to Japan and i am very very impressed. 1 example is when i go into a CD shop, i asked the person do they have FF OST, and he bring me to the place where it is, and he waitied for me to look finish, which took about 5mins, and when i go off, then he started to get back to his work. That's the amount of respect they have for customers, not only their own compaines.

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#38 dru26
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I thought Crytek was a Polish developer...Either way though console wise I still think Bioshock, and Gears are among the best looking games out there. With CoD4 and Uncharted a very close second. AC isn't too ugly itself. So of all those games I don't see many Jp devs.
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#39 The_G00se
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Yes, that was quite original. I can still feel the sting. (Yawn).

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#40 Windblade91
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yeah japanese give like 200% to what they do because they actually BELIEVE in what they do they like it and they wanna show it to the world, they also dont complainand whine about the PS3 infact they are patient and they know "once we make this one, the next oe will be easier cuz we know how to do everything" which is true once u make the first game the 2nd game is made in half the time b/c nmo more experimenting.

o and they actually put time into it and dont care if ppl whine about it comingout so late they will release when its done

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#41 Windblade91
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I thought Crytek was a Polish developer...Either way though console wise I still think Bioshock, and Gears are among the best looking games out there. With CoD4 and Uncharted a very close second. AC isn't too ugly itself. So of all those games I don't see many Jp devs.dru26

lookit pics of MGS4 DMC4 and the FFXIII's they are all like 10x better than anything on the market

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Asians are smarter. That's why I'm dating one. LOL!The_G00se

I would love to go out with a hot pretty asian girl but they are too hard to find. but I'm not giving up looking.

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#43 The_G00se
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Go to the conventions... there's always a ton there. Go to some clubs too... Asian chicks love clubs. Worse comes to worse, just order one off the net. LOL!

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I think the meaning of good graphics is different in Japan and USA. In USA I dont know why everyone likes the shiny graphics like in gears of war, uncharted,heavenly sword and res5 everything looks like its wet or something, it doesnt look reallistic at all and still people say they look great
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Because they aren't afraid of a challenge..