How does Metal Gear Solid 4 stand up today?!

How does it stand up visually and in terms of game play?

I'm particularly interested in playing it as a stealth game, rather than a shooter too.

One of the best games I've played this gen, despite long cutscenes. If you're a fan of the series and enjoy the story, ignore any picky criticisms and definitely give it a shot.

people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

One of the best games I've played this gen, despite long cutscenes. If you're a fan of the series and enjoy the story, ignore any picky criticisms and definitely give it a shot.

HipHopBeats

people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

hippiesanta

The lengthy cutscenes didn't bother me at all since I thought they were well done but it is a common complaint from many who dislike MGS4.

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One of the best games I've played this gen, despite long cutscenes. If you're a fan of the series and enjoy the story, ignore any picky criticisms and definitely give it a shot.

biggest_loser

In that case, you might want to start with MGS from the PSN store and then get the HD collection or look it up on wiki or youtube first. Otherwise, you won't have a clue to what's going on story wise starting from MGS4.As for the gameplay, the stealth mechanics are pretty good.

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people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

HipHopBeats

The lengthy cutscenes didn't bother me at all since I thought they were well done but it is a common complaint from many who dislike MGS4.

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people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

hippiesanta

The lengthy cutscenes didn't bother me at all since I thought they were well done but it is a common complaint from many who dislike MGS4.

MGS > MGS4 > MGS3 > MGS2 is how I would rank them. That Shadow Moses level in MGS4 had me nostalgic for a MGS remake based on what Kojima recreated in that level. True MGS4 has better gameplay and cinematics, but nothing beats being on a real suicide mission deep within an enemy base fighting for survival. Plus the boss fights in MGS were epic. Psycho Mantis, Sniper Wolf, Liquid, unpredictable plot twists, the perfect action game even to this day.

Here is an honest review of the 'game', it shows how it stood up in 2008 and stands up in 2012.

http://au.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/user-reviews/790668/platform/ps3/

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One of the best games I've played this gen, despite long cutscenes. If you're a fan of the series and enjoy the story, ignore any picky criticisms and definitely give it a shot.

biggest_loser

One of the best games I've played this gen, despite long cutscenes. If you're a fan of the series and enjoy the story, ignore any picky criticisms and definitely give it a shot.

HipHopBeats

people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

hippiesanta

I suppose you know what a real fan is right?

It's a great game, though nothing special (imo!)

It's a great game still. Just don't expect an Uncharted-level of action, if you can appreciate the story and not qq over some well-done cutscenes it's magnificent.

It's not the most intuitive or responsive game regardless of whether you're playing it stealthily or as a shooter. It's still a great action game but a lot was done between MGS3 and 4 to make it play like a modern game. There are some long load times and the cutscenes can be extremely overbearing if you're not invested in Kojima's hokey story, but it still looks decent and its set-pieces are some of the best on the PS3.

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people who criticise it's long cutscene are not real mgs fans

rwallacefan

I suppose you know what a real fan is right?

Better than mostly everything else.

its a quality game. i played through a couple times and always enjoyed it. the stealth is hard to master but awesome when u can pull it off. and its a great story epic. not gonna spoil anything but it had some of the best ending sequences ive seen in any game. definately one of my favourites this gen. if you don't mind the long cutscenes (which are pretty awesome anyway) u should get it.

It still looks and plays better than some modern nowadays stuff.

People who criticised the MGS 4 cutscenes were either xfans or people who never played MGS games before and weren't fans of the series.

People who criticised the MGS 4 cutscenes were either xfans or people who never played MGS games before and weren't fans of the series.

clr84651

What I didn't like about MGS4 was that it pretty much dropped Stealth for Run and Gun for about 85% of the game. There are just too many chapters focused on AI Drones, active battlefields, and Corridor Shooting Events. MGS3 had a much better balance.

What I didn't like about MGS4 was that it pretty much dropped Stealth for Run and Gun for about 85% of the game. There are just too many chapters focused on AI Drones, active battlefields, and Corridor Shooting Events. MGS3 had a much better balance.

Threesixtyci

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What I didn't like about MGS4 was that it pretty much dropped Stealth for Run and Gun for about 85% of the game. There are just too many chapters focused on AI Drones, active battlefields, and Corridor Shooting Events. MGS3 had a much better balance.

H_M_1

Here is an honest review of the 'game', it shows how it stood up in 2008 and stands up in 2012.

http://au.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/user-reviews/790668/platform/ps3/

RageQuitter69

I agree to a degree. In general, if you're thinking of stealth games and shooting games (OR hybrids!), MGS4 is not great at ANYTHING. In fact:

in terms of stealth: mark of ninja>splintercell conviction = splintercell chaos theory> MGS4
in terms of 3rd person shooting: every 3rd person shooter>MGS4

in terms of hybrid action: deus ex>dishonored>MGS4.

Recall, most of those games achieved (and deserved) their 8.5+ scores. MGS4 is simply below them, and out of general gameplay and FUN, i would rate MGS4 ~8.0.

MGS2 is simply the best playing of the series, and MGS3 the best story (alongside MGS1).

Now, if you're gonna play them in order, I would actually play the series in order of release: MGS1 (or get twin snakes for Gamecube if you can, which is an upgraded version of MGS1), MGS2, MGS3, MGS4.

And, to answer your question, I would say MGS4, GTA4, and to a slight degree, MarioGalaxy 2, are all overrated (no game really deserves a perfect score, especially those games, which, upon release, had a lot of hype that OBVIOUSLY influenced reviewers' opinions of the game). On that side note, I would rate GTA4 about a 8.5 or 9, and mario galaxy 9 or 9.5. And, like i said before, MGS4 is about an 8.

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Here is an honest review of the 'game', it shows how it stood up in 2008 and stands up in 2012.

http://au.gamespot.com/metal-gear-solid-4-guns-of-the-patriots/user-reviews/790668/platform/ps3/

glitch2424

I agree to a degree. In general, if you're thinking of stealth games and shooting games (OR hybrids!), MGS4 is not great at ANYTHING. In fact:

in terms of stealth: mark of ninja>splintercell conviction = splintercell chaos theory> MGS4
in terms of 3rd person shooting: every 3rd person shooter>MGS4

in terms of hybrid action: deus ex>dishonored>MGS4.

Recall, most of those games achieved (and deserved) their 8.5+ scores. MGS4 is simply below them, and out of general gameplay and FUN, i would rate MGS4 ~8.0.

MGS2 is simply the best playing of the series, and MGS3 the best story (alongside MGS1).

Now, if you're gonna play them in order, I would actually play the series in order of release: MGS1 (or get twin snakes for Gamecube if you can, which is an upgraded version of MGS1), MGS2, MGS3, MGS4.

And, to answer your question, I would say MGS4, GTA4, and to a slight degree, MarioGalaxy 2, are all overrated (no game really deserves a perfect score, especially those games, which, upon release, had a lot of hype that OBVIOUSLY influenced reviewers' opinions of the game). On that side note, I would rate GTA4 about a 8.5 or 9, and mario galaxy 9 or 9.5. And, like i said before, MGS4 is about an 8.

But I HAVE given them highscores! But if anyone is being honest with themselves, they'd realize a game has to be absolutely PERFECT to be a 10. I deducted a bit from GTA4 b/c it does get repetitive and boring (good story, but same old mission structure - Cover mechanics and shooting felt good), and I deducted a bit from SMG2 b/c it simply lacked world cohesion and lacked exploration (which is weird, b/c all 3d mario games before the galaxy series had you explore the worlds, not go thru a linear level design, which the former could've made the game more fun).

I totally agree with your opinion though, that games given more effort should PROBABLY be given higher scores. But that's not always the case. The reason why COD series is so popular (especially with me, who only likes the infiinity ward games - not the treyarch games) is b/c they're FUN! And isn't that why we play games? I rate everything b/c of fun. I personally think it's good for players to realize what KIND of fun they're having, since you can have temporary cinematic fun (ie, uncharted), or real geniune fun, which usually occurs in multiplayer games that can create a riot with a group of people. There's also good single player fun, such as the elderscroll series, paper mario, or even some puzzle games.

How does it stand up visually and in terms of game play?

I'm particularly interested in playing it as a stealth game, rather than a shooter too.

biggest_loser

But I HAVE given them highscores! But if anyone is being honest with themselves, they'd realize a game has to be absolutely PERFECT to be a 10. I deducted a bit from GTA4 b/c it does get repetitive and boring (good story, but same old mission structure - Cover mechanics and shooting felt good), and I deducted a bit from SMG2 b/c it simply lacked world cohesion and lacked exploration (which is weird, b/c all 3d mario games before the galaxy series had you explore the worlds, not go thru a linear level design, which the former could've made the game more fun).

I totally agree with your opinion though, that games given more effort should PROBABLY be given higher scores. But that's not always the case. The reason why COD series is so popular (especially with me, who only likes the infiinity ward games - not the treyarch games) is b/c they're FUN! And isn't that why we play games? I rate everything b/c of fun. I personally think it's good for players to realize what KIND of fun they're having, since you can have temporary cinematic fun (ie, uncharted), or real geniune fun, which usually occurs in multiplayer games that can create a riot with a group of people. There's also good single player fun, such as the elderscroll series, paper mario, or even some puzzle games.

glitch2424

I say the gameplay is enjoyable enough and the graphics are still good. but cutscenes make up way too big a portion of the game and honestly alot of them are painful to watch because of melodramatic dialogue and alot of the characters are really annoying.

I'd say get it if its cheap, but since you're new to the series you're probably better off getting the MGS collection. MGS3's game mechanics and graphics might not be as good as 4 but it's waaay better.

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But I HAVE given them highscores! But if anyone is being honest with themselves, they'd realize a game has to be absolutely PERFECT to be a 10. I deducted a bit from GTA4 b/c it does get repetitive and boring (good story, but same old mission structure - Cover mechanics and shooting felt good), and I deducted a bit from SMG2 b/c it simply lacked world cohesion and lacked exploration (which is weird, b/c all 3d mario games before the galaxy series had you explore the worlds, not go thru a linear level design, which the former could've made the game more fun).

I totally agree with your opinion though, that games given more effort should PROBABLY be given higher scores. But that's not always the case. The reason why COD series is so popular (especially with me, who only likes the infiinity ward games - not the treyarch games) is b/c they're FUN! And isn't that why we play games? I rate everything b/c of fun. I personally think it's good for players to realize what KIND of fun they're having, since you can have temporary cinematic fun (ie, uncharted), or real geniune fun, which usually occurs in multiplayer games that can create a riot with a group of people. There's also good single player fun, such as the elderscroll series, paper mario, or even some puzzle games.

H_M_1

Ahh, I see where you're coming from. I keep forgetting it's also in the eyes of the beholder, really.

I'd recommend the collection 100% - a good friend of mine actually bought it for my birthday. Judging from reviews from other collections, it's probably the best collection out there. It is somewhat incomplete though, b/c it totally lacks MGS1. Still, MGS1 can be obtained thru...*ahem*, other means.

quite well. It is one of the best games on the PS3. I enjoyed all three playthrus of that game, and I look forward to the fourth playthru.