How is the sound via HDMI from the PS3?????????????

If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

Get an Onkyo receiver.  I think right now they have a 5.1 or 7.1 (can't remember), all-inclusive, theater system, with two HDMi ins and one HDMI out, for only $600.  Can't get better than that.

But unless you have a 1080p HDTV, I wouldn't go too crazy on the HDMI.

If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

You have obsolutely no idea what you're talking about do you????? Fiber optics has one of the biggest bandwidths

http://www.gare.co.uk/technology_watch/fibre.htm

True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BlacKJaCK2290

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.kingtito

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BroweChisox

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

[QUOTE="kingtito"]

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]True it does. But he is right in the sense that these new audio formats cannot be sent in full resolution over optical cables.BroweChisox

http://www.projectorcentral.com/dvi_hdmi_copper_optical.htm

Fiber optics is the way to go and will be in the future. Fiber optics has more than enough bandwidth to transmit these new audio formats.

The question here is wether or not optical has the bandwidth to transmit uncompressed data. There is no higher bandwidth than fiber optics right now and that includes HDMI. HDMI might be the choice for home theater but to say that Fiber optics doesn't have enough bandwidth is ludicrous. That is MY point, can you comprehend????

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

dubvisions

[QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

zhuojloh

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

Okay now I have a question: I connect my ps3 to an optical receiver (a mid range pioneer 7.1, no hdmi), and when I switch a blu-ray movie's sound to to uncompressed pcm from dobly digital the sound gets louder and possably better... But my receiver doesn't recognize the format of sound (like when its a dobly digital it says DD or when its dts it says dts) So whats going on here is it truly uncompressed audio or is my receiver just playing the ps3's output signal but not really pcm???immikeulate

[QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

kingtito

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

zhuojloh

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

I think you've hit on the problem.  The "Fiber Optics" he's talking about and the "optical cable" everyone else in this thread is talking about aren't the same things. 

[QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="zhuojloh"][QUOTE="dubvisions"]

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

Creeping_Wolf

Wrong Fiber optic laser optimized multimode fiber minum bandwidth is 10g per second. HDMi doesn't even come close. Fact is fiber optic bandwidth far exceeds anything out and yes this does include HDMI. Please do some research before posting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toslink

I think you've hit on the problem.  The "Fiber Optics" he's talking about and the "optical cable" everyone else in this thread is talking about aren't the same things. 

Well it comes down to the quality of the fiber optic cable. They type of glass it uses and so on. The highest quality fiber optic has a minimum bandwidth of 10g per sec. 

I guess you're right since we're not talking about the highest quality fiber optics.....my bad.

I really want to hear what Kingtito has to say for himself now. Seeing as he basically accused all of us as being wrong.BlacKJaCK2290

Say for myself??? Hmmm what I was talking about I was correct and frankly the future is in fiber optics. My basic argument was wether or not fiber optics had enough bandwidth. Theoretically it does just not in the case of the Toslink fiber optics.

Anything else you want me to say?

[QUOTE="BlacKJaCK2290"]I really want to hear what Kingtito has to say for himself now. Seeing as he basically accused all of us as being wrong.kingtito

Say for myself??? Hmmm what I was talking about I was correct and frankly the future is in fiber optics. My basic argument was wether or not fiber optics had enough bandwidth. Theoretically it does just not in the case of the Toslink fiber optics.

Anything else you want me to say?

I have personally tried uncompressed audio on a blu-ray movie through optical.  It doesn't work.  Well, it does but it is not the full srround sound.  DTs or Dol by digital sound far better.  Why is this?  I don't know.  is it the capacity of optical?  I don't know.

All I know is that it doesn't.  Try it yourself.

dubvisions

[QUOTE="immikeulate"]Okay now I have a question: I connect my ps3 to an optical receiver (a mid range pioneer 7.1, no hdmi), and when I switch a blu-ray movie's sound to to uncompressed pcm from dobly digital the sound gets louder and possably better... But my receiver doesn't recognize the format of sound (like when its a dobly digital it says DD or when its dts it says dts) So whats going on here is it truly uncompressed audio or is my receiver just playing the ps3's output signal but not really pcm???zhuojloh

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.kingtito

You have obsolutely no idea what you're talking about do you????? Fiber optics has one of the biggest bandwidths

http://www.gare.co.uk/technology_watch/fibre.htm

We are talking about optical in the home theater sense. 

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

mairjfoo

Yes, but its gets tricky.  Some receivers will only accept picture from HDMI.  Its been mostly rectified in this newest batch, but its something to keep in mind.  They don't make receiver with DVI anymore.  What you'd want to do is look at a HDMI to DVI cable.  I'm not certain it will work since some devices(Toshiba HD DVD player) seem to have problems with HDMI to DVI cables.  Yes, you have the right idea.

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.Creeping_Wolf

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

Are you certain, I thought it got axed in the retail version.

[QUOTE="Creeping_Wolf"]

[QUOTE="filfili"]If you have a HDMI receiver, you can get uncompressed sound, Dolby TrueHD, and DTS master, which are much better than Dolby 5.1 and DTS.  If you use optical, you cannot get these sound formats because optical doesn't have enough bandwidth.  Also, no game uses the advanced audio codecs yet, only movies.filfili

Resistance: Fall of Man is actually encoded with 7.1 uncompressed PCM. 

Are you certain, I thought it got axed in the retail version.

Ok, I'm wrong.  It is in 7.1 and I never noticed. 

[QUOTE="mairjfoo"]

I have a 50 inch sony with a DVI input for video.  If I buy a HDMI enabled receiver, will I get these better audio codecs for blu-ray movies and games if I connect my PS3 to the receiver with HDMI cable and then a HDMI to DVI cable from the receiver to the TV?

Also the TV's DVI is HDCP compliant if that is important.

filfili

Yes, but its gets tricky.  Some receivers will only accept picture from HDMI.  Its been mostly rectified in this newest batch, but its something to keep in mind.  They don't make receiver with DVI anymore.  What you'd want to do is look at a HDMI to DVI cable.  I'm not certain it will work since some devices(Toshiba HD DVD player) seem to have problems with HDMI to DVI cables.  Yes, you have the right idea.

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

Correct, usually a receiver will have at least 2 HDMI inputs. The equipment outputting the sound needs to be told to output uncompressed PCM, and some receivers (actually any non-Denon HDMI receiver) need to have the LFE track adjusted when using PCM. I recommend the Denon AVR-2307CI or 887 (Basically the same model) for a great budget minded HDMI receiver.BroweChisox

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

creekfan_basic

[QUOTE="creekfan_basic"]

I love these threads...95% made up stuff, 5% fact.

Resistance does have uncompressed PCM 7.1 audio and its incredible when you crank it up, makes DD 5.1 and DTS sound compressed and harsh.

Optical will not pass uncompressed PCM properly. I tried it and it just reverted to a crappy stereo feed. Optical can't handle it.

If you have a Ps3 I highly recommend upgrading to an HDMI capable receiver that can pass an HD Video signal. My Pioneer elite can pass up to a 1080i signal, so I set the PS3 to that and let the TV upconvert it to 1080p. This way I can get the uncompressed PCM sound from the games and the bluray movies.

The audio capabilities of HDMI are far better than the video capabilities. I notice little difference in video between HDMI, VGA and component, slight difference, but nothing major. The sound on the other hand is a completely differrent story.

Most uncompressed PCM sound tracks run in the 4.5Mbps neighboor hood, DD5.1 is 648kbps and DTS tops out at 1.5Mbps, its a huge difference in bandwidth so the dynamic range is greater and the bass is smoother.

SystemWarsMan

There are receivers on the market that can accept / pass 1080p signals.  Here's the one I have:

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=451511

Also has 3 HDMI inputs, 1 HDMI output.

Does using HDMI inprove the image of games, I have a 720p/1080i HDTV. ???Pixelgen

slightly from component. 

[QUOTE="BroweChisox"]Correct, usually a receiver will have at least 2 HDMI inputs. The equipment outputting the sound needs to be told to output uncompressed PCM, and some receivers (actually any non-Denon HDMI receiver) need to have the LFE track adjusted when using PCM. I recommend the Denon AVR-2307CI or 887 (Basically the same model) for a great budget minded HDMI receiver.SystemWarsMan