i have a bad feeling something bad will happen to Raiden.

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#1 GUNpoint_
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i know a lot of you don't like Raiden, but he's one of my favorite characters in the MGS universe. seeing his condition in MGS4 has saddened me. Wiki says his body has been replaced with some sort of material, all that remains are his head and spine. also, he's extremely pail. this sucks, can't believe he's terminally ill (if that's the case.) probably some virus by those Patriot bastards. i just hope he kills Vamp before he dies (if he even does)
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I hope Raiden dies a painful death and Snake causes it. But he looks like hes dieing in that trailer when hes throwing up something on a helicopter
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lol why the raiden hate? and no i don't know whether he dies or not. but i think raidens earned his rep, (snake never took on 12 metal gears ;))
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lol why the raiden hate? and no i don't know whether he dies or not. but i think raidens earned his rep, (snake never took on 12 metal gears ;))GUNpoint_
Metal Gears that were destroyed with like 1 rocket launcher round
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]lol why the raiden hate? and no i don't know whether he dies or not. but i think raidens earned his rep, (snake never took on 12 metal gears ;))avataraang1
Metal Gears that were destroyed with like 1 rocket launcher round



uh, have you ever beaten MGS2? or do you play on Very Easy? it took at least 3 or 4 shots to hit him where it hurts. even more to hit his knees and expose Ray's mouth
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So in MGS IV is Snake trying to kill the Patriots or stop Liquid Ocelot?
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]lol why the raiden hate? and no i don't know whether he dies or not. but i think raidens earned his rep, (snake never took on 12 metal gears ;))avataraang1
Metal Gears that were destroyed with like 1 rocket launcher round



uh, have you ever beaten MGS2? or do you play on Very Easy? it took at least 3 or 4 shots to hit him where it hurts. even more to hit his knees and expose Ray's mouth

I play on hard buster. It took a Super mega awesome laser gun from Grey Fox and like 20 rockets just to destroy Rex.

You're lying, it takes more than one on hard, I believe even normal takes 3.
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both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah.
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both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah.
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]lol why the raiden hate? and no i don't know whether he dies or not. but i think raidens earned his rep, (snake never took on 12 metal gears ;))white_sox
Metal Gears that were destroyed with like 1 rocket launcher round



uh, have you ever beaten MGS2? or do you play on Very Easy? it took at least 3 or 4 shots to hit him where it hurts. even more to hit his knees and expose Ray's mouth

I play on hard buster. It took a Super mega awesome laser gun from Grey Fox and like 20 rockets just to destroy Rex.

You're lying, it takes more than one on hard, I believe even normal takes 3.

The last time i played MGS2 was when it came out. Its Snake Eater all day for me
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both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. avataraang1
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?
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[QUOTE="white_sox"]You're lying, it takes more than one on hard, I believe even normal takes 3.avataraang1
The last time i played MGS2 was when it came out. Its Snake Eater all day for me

Point?
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Wait im starting to get lost here (Im really talking out my my place (Gamespot....) I just started realizing 1/2 of this STUFF now).Solidus Looks really old and wears an eyepatch (If my Metal Gear Saga 2.0 DVD isnt lying to me) which leads me to believe that he sort of STINKS without the suit. (And Raiden also got a suit lol and a Sword all Snake gets is a Knife)
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

I believe Solidus's body was detoriorating faster than Solid Snakes, as its evident in MGS2 how SOlidus looks in his 50's while Snake looks to be in his 30's. And the more you deteriorate, the weaker you are. Hence the need for the suits both solidus and snake wear.

Also Solidus is a well balanced version of big boss, while snake had the ressesive (inferior) genes. So they are not really genetically equal, they may share the same DNA but still are not genetically equal otherwise they would be perfect twins. which there not.

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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

I believe Solidus's body was detoriorating faster than Solid Snakes, as its evident in MGS2 how SOlidus looks in his 50's while Snake looks to be in his 30's. And the more you deteriorate, the weaker you are. Hence the need for the suits both solidus wears in MGS2 and snake wears in MGS4.

Also Solidus is a well balanced version of big boss, while snake had the ressesive (inferior) genes. So they are not really genetically equal, they may share the same DNA but still are not genetically equal otherwise they would be perfect twins. which there not.

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Maybe Raiden is somehow related to Snake and was injected with another form of Foxdie......
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yes both of you are right and thanks for correcting me above poster my wording was incorrect, though Solidus, Liquid and Snake are all the sons of Big Boss, Liquid got the superior genes. i don't think its stated whether Solidus has better genes then Snake, but i do know that due to the fact that they're clones, they age a lot more quickly then a normal human; hence Meryl's young appearance as well as Naomi's in various MGS4 trailers. so in reality, Solidus is perhaps younger then he looks.
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yes both of you are right and thanks for correcting me HULKMANIA my wording was incorrect, though Solidus, Liquid and Snake are all the sons of Big Boss, Liquid got the superior genes. i don't think its stated whether Solidus has better genes then Snake, but i do know that due to the fact that they're clones, they age a lot more quickly then a normal human; hence Meryl's young appearance as well as Naomi's in various MGS4 trailers. so in reality, Solidus is perhaps younger then he looks.
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_
Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P

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Maybe Raiden is somehow related to Snake and was injected with another form of Foxdie......hillelslovak


lol, unlikely. Raiden is (i believe) Liberian, he fought in the Liberian Civil War in the 1980's; his parents were killed by Solidus and he adopted him as his own.
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Maybe Raiden is somehow related to Snake and was injected with another form of Foxdie......hillelslovak


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lol, unlikely. Raiden is (i believe) Liberian, he fought in the Liberian Civil War in the 1980's; his parents were killed by Solidus and he adopted him as his own.
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yes both of you are right and thanks for correcting me HULKMANIA my wording was incorrect, though Solidus, Liquid and Snake are all the sons of Big Boss, Liquid got the superior genes. i don't think its stated whether Solidus has better genes then Snake, but i do know that due to the fact that they're clones, they age a lot more quickly then a normal human; hence Meryl's young appearance as well as Naomi's in various MGS4 trailers. so in reality, Solidus is perhaps younger then he looks.GUNpoint_
Yes take the L! I WIN AHAHAHA but seriously I told you so.

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. HULKMANIA_001

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P

Yeah but now with his new suit I have to see his BACKSIDE (Gamespot....) all day just like Raiden
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. HULKMANIA_001

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. HULKMANIA_001

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

also, just because your Old, doesn't mean you can't put up a good fight. take a look at Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. without the suit, he'd probably have the same skills as snake, who knows. and i haven't read anything that snake's suit in MGS4 is 'keeping him alive'. the injection he took in one of the trailers is probably whats keeping him alive. or he's a heroine addict.

and there is no strength in the MGS universe. only technique. Big Boss is probably a lot stronger then the Boss. but who broke who's arm? Solidus just wanted an advantage in combat.
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[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

The tentacles didnt bring any strength (Unless your being sarcastic) they were really just for show half the time
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[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]
um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all? GUNpoint_

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

The tentacles didnt bring any strength (Unless your being sarcastic) they were really just for show half the time
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]
um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all? avataraang1

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

The tentacles didnt bring any strength (Unless your being sarcastic) they were really just for show half the time



i never said they brought strength.

spoilers.

and Solidus uses the tentacles to scale a building in MGS2 and launch a slam attack; he also picked up Olga and shot her in this manner.
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]
does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.GUNpoint_
The tentacles didnt bring any strength (Unless your being sarcastic) they were really just for show half the time



i never said they brought strength.

spoilers.

and Solidus uses the tentacles to scale a building in MGS2 and launch a slam attack; he also picked up Olga and shot her in this manner.

You said "does Snake use robotic Tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4?" Which means you believe Solidus used tentacles to increase his muscle mass and like I said his tentacles are just for shows half the time
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#30 HULKMANIA_001
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[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. GUNpoint_

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

also, just because your Old, doesn't mean you can't put up a good fight. take a look at Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. without the suit, he'd probably have the same skills as snake, who knows. and i haven't read anything that snake's suit in MGS4 is 'keeping him alive'. the injection he took in one of the trailers is probably whats keeping him alive. or he's a heroine addict.

and there is no strength in the MGS universe. only technique. Big Boss is probably a lot stronger then the Boss. but who broke who's arm? Solidus just wanted an advantage in combat.

Im going to have to look up the article to confirm but it stated how the sneaking suit issued to snake in MGS4 does help his muscles out. I dont want to speculate on exactly how, but i do think it has something maybe to do with his deteriorating strength/stamina.

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#31 GUNpoint_
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]
does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.avataraang1
The tentacles didnt bring any strength (Unless your being sarcastic) they were really just for show half the time



i never said they brought strength.

spoilers.

and Solidus uses the tentacles to scale a building in MGS2 and launch a slam attack; he also picked up Olga and shot her in this manner.

You said "does Snake use robotic Tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4?" Which means you believe Solidus used tentacles to increase his muscle mass and like I said his tentacles are just for shows half the time


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lol, you've misunderstood. Solidus has the ability to increase his muscle mass. he does this the very first time him and Snake confront in MGS2. he then jumps on the harrier piloted by Vamp. i never implied his tentacles increase his strength.
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Oh and quick question for Gunpoint and HulkMania. Are you guys getting the MGO Beta? Because I so want to play you guys now
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#33 GUNpoint_
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]spoilers

both, LuckyLy, and avataar, if you play on hard, i highly doubt it took you one shot to take down those rays. hell, on Hard that part is pretty difficult to get past. and once you figure out Rex's pattern, he's cake. and that boss battle was only hard cause MGS1 didn't have dodge rolling. it would've been a lot easier to escape those missiles of death.

and whether you like it or not, Raiden is a BAMF. he killed Solidus, who is genetically equal to Snake; so yeah. HULKMANIA_001

Solidus is Genetically equal to Old big boss. Old Snake and Solidus can only do what they do because of their suit



um, buddy, Solidus, Liquid, and Snake are clones from Big Boss, i'm sure you're aware of this. so Solidus and Snake are the same on a genetic level; and yes, i know Solidus' suit gives him his powers, but doesn't that also make him an even tougher opponent then Solid Snake? and Raiden was still able to kill him, mega suit of death and all?

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

also, just because your Old, doesn't mean you can't put up a good fight. take a look at Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. without the suit, he'd probably have the same skills as snake, who knows. and i haven't read anything that snake's suit in MGS4 is 'keeping him alive'. the injection he took in one of the trailers is probably whats keeping him alive. or he's a heroine addict.

and there is no strength in the MGS universe. only technique. Big Boss is probably a lot stronger then the Boss. but who broke who's arm? Solidus just wanted an advantage in combat.

Im going to have to look up the article to confirm but it stated how the sneaking suit issued to snake in MGS4 does help his muscles out. I dont want to speculate on exactly how, but i do think it has something maybe to do with his deteriorating strength/stamina.



i see. well i wouldn't doubt snake's strength has depleted considerably. but i thought his suit was for that cool new camo system? (its kick ass 8))
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Oh and quick question for Gunpoint and HulkMania. Are you guys getting the MGO Beta? Because I so want to play you guys nowavataraang1


yep i got Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 with the beta :D

4/17 can't come quick enough. you got the beta too?
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[QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"][QUOTE="HULKMANIA_001"]

Not true, then I can also say with snakes new Suit in MGS4 he is alot! stonger than he ever was in previous games. which i doubt. Its the same with Solidus, he probably needed that suit to actually be comparable in strength to the rest, not just for a boost. just my 2 cents :P

GUNpoint_



does Snake use robotic tentacles and increase his muscle mass in MGS4? i highly doubt it. and Solidus is NOT a super saiyan/Dr. octopus love child.

also, just because your Old, doesn't mean you can't put up a good fight. take a look at Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake. without the suit, he'd probably have the same skills as snake, who knows. and i haven't read anything that snake's suit in MGS4 is 'keeping him alive'. the injection he took in one of the trailers is probably whats keeping him alive. or he's a heroine addict.

and there is no strength in the MGS universe. only technique. Big Boss is probably a lot stronger then the Boss. but who broke who's arm? Solidus just wanted an advantage in combat.

Im going to have to look up the article to confirm but it stated how the sneaking suit issued to snake in MGS4 does help his muscles out. I dont want to speculate on exactly how, but i do think it has something maybe to do with his deteriorating strength/stamina.



i see. well i wouldn't doubt snake's strength has depleted considerably. but i thought his suit was for that cool new camo system? (its kick ass 8))

No it says so on the MGS saga Dvd. Otacon said without the Suit yada yada yada you cant do STUFF
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"]Oh and quick question for Gunpoint and HulkMania. Are you guys getting the MGO Beta? Because I so want to play you guys nowGUNpoint_


yep i got Metal Gear Saga Vol.2 with the beta :D

4/17 can't come quick enough. you got the beta too?

Hell Yeah
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#37 GUNpoint_
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i see well i guess i'll have to watch all the trailers again lol i must've missed that part.
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i see well i guess i'll have to watch all the trailers again lol i must've missed that part. GUNpoint_
Its when Otacon comes with the Helicopter to Snake when hes Saluting some dead person maybe Big Boss or Big big boss lol. And when they get in the helicopter
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i see well i guess i'll have to watch all the trailers again lol i must've missed that part. GUNpoint_
Its when Otacon comes with the Helicopter to Snake when hes Saluting some dead person maybe Big Boss or Big big boss lol. And when they get in the helicopter (and add me to your friends so we can VS if you want of course)
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#40 GUNpoint_
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[QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]i see well i guess i'll have to watch all the trailers again lol i must've missed that part. avataraang1
Its when Otacon comes with the Helicopter to Snake when hes Saluting some dead person maybe Big Boss or Big big boss lol. And when they get in the helicopter (and add me to your friends so we can VS if you want of course)



i see. i'll have to watch that ASAP. i'll add you on PSN too
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#41 avataraang1
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[QUOTE="avataraang1"][QUOTE="GUNpoint_"]i see well i guess i'll have to watch all the trailers again lol i must've missed that part. GUNpoint_
Its when Otacon comes with the Helicopter to Snake when hes Saluting some dead person maybe Big Boss or Big big boss lol. And when they get in the helicopter (and add me to your friends so we can VS if you want of course)



i see. i'll have to watch that ASAP. i'll add you on PSN too

See you on the 17 or on COD4
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#42 lazeaai
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I hope raiden dies. The same way gray fox died lol. Or snake just breaks his neck.