What does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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I'm just curious. (This is for the ppl who own multi platforms)
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It's a game of self-ownage. The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar. The online options of the market place own the crap outta the PS store...as for online gameplay as far as I've seen...PS3 wins because no lag + tons of players + FREE ONLINE = win. As for which has the better all round feel? Well to me its PS3...I played PS3 for a good week then went back to 360 and felt somewhat spoiled by the Cross media bar or Xross (wtf ever) But overall I put my money in with Sony, the Online store can improve with time...lag issues, player amounts, and a flip interface cannot. Both are good systems but PS3 was just built better with futureproofing in mind...as one can easily tell by the releasing of the EliteWhat does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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si7ver
PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
[QUOTE="si7ver"]It's a game of self-ownage. The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar. The online options of the market place own the crap outta the PS store...as for online gameplay as far as I've seen...PS3 wins because no lag + tons of players + FREE ONLINE = win. As for which has the better all round feel? Well to me its PS3...I played PS3 for a good week then went back to 360 and felt somewhat spoiled by the Cross media bar or Xross (wtf ever) But overall I put my money in with Sony, the Online store can improve with time...lag issues, player amounts, and a flip interface cannot. Both are good systems but PS3 was just built better with futureproofing in mind...as one can easily tell by the releasing of the EliteWhat does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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NextGenNow
Thanks for the info. I really don't want this to turn into a SW type of post though.
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[QUOTE="NextGenNow"][QUOTE="si7ver"]It's a game of self-ownage. The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar. The online options of the market place own the crap outta the PS store...as for online gameplay as far as I've seen...PS3 wins because no lag + tons of players + FREE ONLINE = win. As for which has the better all round feel? Well to me its PS3...I played PS3 for a good week then went back to 360 and felt somewhat spoiled by the Cross media bar or Xross (wtf ever) But overall I put my money in with Sony, the Online store can improve with time...lag issues, player amounts, and a flip interface cannot. Both are good systems but PS3 was just built better with futureproofing in mind...as one can easily tell by the releasing of the EliteWhat does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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si7ver
Thanks for the info. I really don't want this to turn into a SW type of post though.
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no prob. I'll keep my opinions to myself. But seriously...see for yourselfwell i cant say whats better. but free, doesnt mean better. i would rather pay for a more solid service then get a half assed one for free. also home, is a stale boring, unbelieable uncreative and unorginal design. also with out a headset it doesnt work. and you can ofcourse chatter on and on abotu getting a headset seperatly. but unless somethign comes as standard then it doesnt matter. i would of never have knowen ture online if i didnt start talking to people. infact i cant play agaisnt people who dont talk , because it doenst feel like online. half of the people, casuals mainly, will not buy a headset, which means a huge loss of a experience. the home service doesnt expand your experience in any real way, because communication is so damn hard. its a glorified chat room. but dont get me wrong, im not a xbox360 fanboy. its just with out a mic, online is boring. and home looks boring. inbuilt mic couldnt had a efect on so many games, like using it as a mobile phone for some games. perhaps extendeing voice recognision and commanding troops via voice commands. and of corse a true online experience. of course sony missed that, and opted for a awful online experience which simply doesnt compare to xboxlive, simply becaus eyou can not say ownd. and if home looked like little big planet, then maybe that would be interesting, otherwise its been seen a 1000 times and is clearly a visual style based on "no-risks" but when designing it they failed to remember to make thigns look interesting.PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
GameFreak34
guys i know you are sony fans, but c'mon. Live is hands down better than PSN. As someone who has both I prefer LIVE. I can send game invites and chat with friends even if they are in different games than I am. You cant do that on psn. Also, the content on marketplace is better and theres more. Price is the only place PSN shines, as it is free. But seriously does $4 a month kill you guys that much?socomgamer324and mic. online is pointless with out a mic. although the marketplace doesnt have much, demos. although theres no real games for the ps3 to have alot of demos. but considering there are more games coming out in the ps3s first year, as well as more developers working on it, that will quickly turn around. as for other media. sony owns alot of the music and movie industry. they will destroy xboxlive's media content pretty quickly. also arcade is fun, but for the love of god, do people not realise everything on xbox live arcade can be got for free on the interent, are the people that stupid????? although i think sony and many other companies have failed to realise the vast milkage potential of the psn and xboxlive. im a huge mgs fan, why not release the monkey missions as a game for £5. or how about release the concept engine for mgs3 (seemed fun on youtube) again for £5. how about releasing the ada wong missions on re4, on the psn network for £5. basically take the extra modes from ps2 and ps3 games and sell them cheaply on the psn. seems like a obvious way of gettign a bit of cash, to me.
I'm not asking which service ppl think is better. I just want to know what Sony could do to make their PSN service better than it is. What would you like to see in future updates?
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si7ver
I have a PAL (AU) PS3 so my requests may be different to other people. But how about being able to play games with people from all over the world? On my 360 I can play games with people from anywhere in the world. All of the games I have on PS3 limit me to AU/NZ and if I am lucky they may include Europe.
i think i have to agree.1. Global friendslist
2. Global voice chat
3. Being able to invite friends to the game im playing at any time.
4. Global online service
4 things Sony should concentrate on. Not some stupid virtual chat.
Radiozo
The biggest difference between the two services is that Live's features are available all the time regardless of what you are doing with the system. Unlike the original Xbox, the 360's version of Live is part of the operating system and available at all times through use of the Xbox Logo button.
Features always availale: friends list, recent players list, messages list. Every user can be accessed to see thei GamerCard which includes country, GamerScore and GamerZone. From the user page you can see a list of all their games and achievements, send them a message or invite them to a game, join them if they are in an online session and set a preference (avoid/favor for matchmaking). Messages can include voice, text and images. Private chat is also available allowing users to voice chat regardless of the game they are playing. Video chat is also available but not while in-game (you are returned to the dashboard for this one feature). As mentioned upfront, these features are available during DVD playback, gaming, media use, single or multiplayer gaming or while at the dashboard. Users can post a motto and mark themselves as busy or away. All online games except Final Fantasy XI support voice chat.
PSN currently operates very differently, offering most of its features only while using the XrossMediaBar. Here you can access your friends list, send text messages or invite them to an audio or video chat. A recent players list is available, and currently logged in friends display the game they are playing and their motto. The friends list is available in most online games, but some (in particular Resistance) use a custom friends list. Most online features in-game require developer implementation. Voice chat in-game is up to the developer and currently the majority of PS3 titles do not support it (though the biggies, Resistance and MotorStorm, do).
I'll avoid the discussion of online stores and othr non-gaming bits and just leave you again with the primary difference: Live is a universal service with features available at all times in every game or when doing anything; PSN's features are mostly available only while using the XMB.
Note: this is not a comprehensive list of Live's features because that would make this windbag message even longer.
1. Global friendslist
2. Global voice chat
Thats why Live owns PSN.
Also simple things lika beeing able to pause the game whenever to read incoming messages without quitting the game is nice.
Radiozo
Exactly, if they fixed that it would be perfect. Also the store sucks. Fix that too. But still, FIX the abilty to read messages without quiting your game! GAAH, forget bloody custom soundtracks. FIX THAT.
The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.NextGenNow
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
[QUOTE="NextGenNow"]The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.DSPX
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
But that 4 seconds loading times saved from the XMB is offset the minute you get a message and have to quit your entire game, read it, reply to it, and then go back on your game, costing you 2 minutes or so and a few minutes gameplay at best.
The biggest difference between the two services is that Live's features are available all the time regardless of what you are doing with the system. Unlike the original Xbox, the 360's version of Live is part of the operating system and available at all times through use of the Xbox Logo button.
Features always availale: friends list, recent players list, messages list. Every user can be accessed to see thei GamerCard which includes country, GamerScore and GamerZone. From the user page you can see a list of all their games and achievements, send them a message or invite them to a game, join them if they are in an online session and set a preference (avoid/favor for matchmaking). Messages can include voice, text and images. Private chat is also available allowing users to voice chat regardless of the game they are playing. Video chat is also available but not while in-game (you are returned to the dashboard for this one feature). As mentioned upfront, these features are available during DVD playback, gaming, media use, single or multiplayer gaming or while at the dashboard. Users can post a motto and mark themselves as busy or away. All online games except Final Fantasy XI support voice chat.
PSN currently operates very differently, offering most of its features only while using the XrossMediaBar. Here you can access your friends list, send text messages or invite them to an audio or video chat. A recent players list is available, and currently logged in friends display the game they are playing and their motto. The friends list is available in most online games, but some (in particular Resistance) use a custom friends list. Most online features in-game require developer implementation. Voice chat in-game is up to the developer and currently the majority of PS3 titles do not support it (though the biggies, Resistance and MotorStorm, do).
I'll avoid the discussion of online stores and othr non-gaming bits and just leave you again with the primary difference: Live is a universal service with features available at all times in every game or when doing anything; PSN's features are mostly available only while using the XMB.
Note: this is not a comprehensive list of Live's features because that would make this windbag message even longer.
clubside
Thanks man. This is what I was looking for. I sure do hope Sony does fix those things and goes beyond. Honestly, I'm real excieted for Home to come out. But I really would like all those other issues to be addressed first. That will just make Home even better. IMO.
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OK OK, first you guys are comparing x-box live which has been around for awhile to the PSN which has been around 4 a few months. With that said the 360 has the better online service at the moment. Its better intergread,deeper online store,allows you to mutitask and chat with people while playing other games, as well as being able to invite friends to join you. On the other hand the PS3 system just seems to smoother even though it is lacking in many different areas. Then again, XBL should be much better at this stage of the game since the PSN only been around for a few months and it is. Just like XBL I see the PSN making improvements to make it an all around berrer gaming experience for PS3 users sooner or later. As much as we would like to see that out the gate we have to give it some time. If i remember correclty XBL wasn't what it is today when it first started and look at it now.
PSN:Meeks32
Gamers Game.....Fanboys Pick Sides.....
[QUOTE="DSPX"][QUOTE="NextGenNow"]The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.Devils_Joker_22
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
But that 4 seconds loading times saved from the XMB is offset the minute you get a message and have to quit your entire game, read it, reply to it, and then go back on your game, costing you 2 minutes or so and a few minutes gameplay at best.
Yeah but thats just a firmware update away...a lame and difficult to manage flip screen isn't. Cross Media bar wins hands down anyday of the week no questions asked. As for the XBL market place? Amazing! I really hope Sony implements some of the great ideas Microsoft has used.[QUOTE="Devils_Joker_22"][QUOTE="DSPX"][QUOTE="NextGenNow"]The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.NextGenNow
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
But that 4 seconds loading times saved from the XMB is offset the minute you get a message and have to quit your entire game, read it, reply to it, and then go back on your game, costing you 2 minutes or so and a few minutes gameplay at best.
Yeah but thats just a firmware update away...a lame and difficult to manage flip screen isn't. Cross Media bar wins hands down anyday of the week no questions asked. As for the XBL market place? Amazing! I really hope Sony implements some of the great ideas Microsoft has used.And that firmware update cant come soon enough. One that comes along ill be satisfied with ps3. At the moment it feels incredibly laboured to speak to people and play games.
1. Xbox Live comes with a global constant friends list
2. PSN is FREE...but personally I'd rather pay 50 dolars a year and have a much better online service but I know people who wouldnt.
3 Xbox Live lags much less often (Actually it depends on the games but so far most 360 games lag less than PS3 games)
4. You can download movies on XBL for a fair price so you dont have to drive to the rental store
5. Theres a private chat feature in Xbox Live where any 2 friends can talk to each other while playing different games. (Like talkin on the phone basically)
6. You can video chat over XBL
7. You can download arcade games over xbox live ussually for about 5 dollars (From Pac-Man to Geometry Wars to Lumines)
8. Achievent Points over Xbox Live add an ENORMOUS amount of replay value. Trust me I would have stopped playing Oblivion after 30 hours if it werent for achievements. Ive played Oblivion 160 hours...
9. HOME seems pretty cool for the PS3.
10. There are far more online games for the 360, and far more upcoming online games.
11. You can surf the web over the PS3...But its better just to do it over your comp so its pretty poinless really.
12. You get a gamer profile when you make an online account with Xbox live which you can customize to fit your individuality.
xbox live is actually 50 bucks a year if you jsut buy a 12 month card instead of a 1 month every month for 7 bucks each.. anyways live is better. sony needs to work on their online network, a lot. its nice that its free, but i wouldnt mind paying 50 bucks a year for ps3 online if it were as good as live. think about it: 50 dollars isnt even worth a nextgen game anymore, its not that much. so the free online is nice, and i must say ps3 online has pretty much no lag. besides that, they have some work to do.PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
GameFreak34
[QUOTE="si7ver"]I'm not asking which service ppl think is better. I just want to know what Sony could do to make their PSN service better than it is. What would you like to see in future updates?
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guyhunter
I have a PAL (AU) PS3 so my requests may be different to other people. But how about being able to play games with people from all over the world? On my 360 I can play games with people from anywhere in the world. All of the games I have on PS3 limit me to AU/NZ and if I am lucky they may include Europe.
thats not sonys fault but the developers. In AC4 i can play with anyone around the world who has the game and has a PS3[QUOTE="NextGenNow"]The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.DSPX
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
Thats a lame as excuse for layziness.You can video chat over PSN. Once Home comes out the 360's gamercard will be destroyed. XBL games are much more laggy because they run off the same servers. PS3 uses dedicated servers for almost no lag ever.1. Xbox Live comes with a global constant friends list
Mecamatt
2. PSN is FREE...but personally I'd rather pay 50 dolars a year and have a much better online service but I know people who wouldnt.
3 Xbox Live lags much less often (Actually it depends on the games but so far most 360 games lag less than PS3 games)
4. You can download movies on XBL for a fair price so you dont have to drive to the rental store
5. Theres a private chat feature in Xbox Live where any 2 friends can talk to each other while playing different games. (Like talkin on the phone basically)
6. You can video chat over XBL
7. You can download arcade games over xbox live ussually for about 5 dollars (From Pac-Man to Geometry Wars to Lumines)
8. Achievent Points over Xbox Live add an ENORMOUS amount of replay value. Trust me I would have stopped playing Oblivion after 30 hours if it werent for achievements. Ive played Oblivion 160 hours...
9. HOME seems pretty cool for the PS3.
10. There are far more online games for the 360, and far more upcoming online games.
11. You can surf the web over the PS3...But its better just to do it over your comp so its pretty poinless really.
12. You get a gamer profile when you make an online account with Xbox live which you can customize to fit your individuality.
[QUOTE="Mecamatt"]You can video chat over PSN. Once Home comes out the 360's gamercard will be destroyed. XBL games are much more laggy because they run off the same servers. PS3 uses dedicated servers for almost no lag ever.1. Xbox Live comes with a global constant friends list
2. PSN is FREE...but personally I'd rather pay 50 dolars a year and have a much better online service but I know people who wouldnt.
3 Xbox Live lags much less often (Actually it depends on the games but so far most 360 games lag less than PS3 games)
4. You can download movies on XBL for a fair price so you dont have to drive to the rental store
5. Theres a private chat feature in Xbox Live where any 2 friends can talk to each other while playing different games. (Like talkin on the phone basically)
6. You can video chat over XBL
7. You can download arcade games over xbox live ussually for about 5 dollars (From Pac-Man to Geometry Wars to Lumines)
8. Achievent Points over Xbox Live add an ENORMOUS amount of replay value. Trust me I would have stopped playing Oblivion after 30 hours if it werent for achievements. Ive played Oblivion 160 hours...
9. HOME seems pretty cool for the PS3.
10. There are far more online games for the 360, and far more upcoming online games.
11. You can surf the web over the PS3...But its better just to do it over your comp so its pretty poinless really.
12. You get a gamer profile when you make an online account with Xbox live which you can customize to fit your individuality.Acid08
In my experience, PSN is alot more laggy than XBL. THe only game on Xbl thats ever lagged is gears, and thats because my internet had a serious issue. But on psn...Motorstorm lags almost every time.
Well I have to say that xbox live is better set up as of now. PSN is great because its free and it has a much better potential than xbox live because of that. The things that make xbox live good aren't the demos the arcade games or the on demand movies. When you want to play online with your friends you don't want to have to send a text message or wait for them to accept a voice chat. I like to be able to send voice messages to my friends and check my friends list during games while online or playing single player. The only things sony needs to make its online perfect is being able send voice mail, full time access of friends list, and a party invite option. I think sony may have realized this awhile ago because it looks like there new online service home has been in development for quite some time now and it also looks like it will be the perfect online console experience, with all of xbox lives feature and many more things that look perfect for online. I cannot wait for home to come out I am looking forward to it more than any other game or anything coming out for the systems.What does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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si7ver
[QUOTE="DSPX"][QUOTE="NextGenNow"]The cross media bar owns the crap outta the 360's menu screen flip bar.Devils_Joker_22
I could not agree more. In fact, I get irritated when I play my 360 after playing my PS3. You have to go into like 5 sub menus just to look at a game save. Then, you have to back out of those 5 sub menus to get back to the main menu. On the PS3, all you have to do is push the d-pad and your right there at anything.
But that 4 seconds loading times saved from the XMB is offset the minute you get a message and have to quit your entire game, read it, reply to it, and then go back on your game, costing you 2 minutes or so and a few minutes gameplay at best.
Man sony could fix that in da next updateThanks man. This is what I was looking for. I sure do hope Sony does fix those things and goes beyond. Honestly, I'm real excieted for Home to come out. But I really would like all those other issues to be addressed first. That will just make Home even better. IMO.
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si7ver
You are very welcome. While I normally wouldn't reply again, other posts in this thread compel me to. For those who aren't viewing signatures, I own all three current systems (and most consoles since the first ones in the '70s) and want to enjoy all of them. That means it is important for people to have the actual facts.
First, most people don't seem to understand what HOME is. It is not a replacement for PSN. It is a standalone appliction that at some point may allow for some external links to other games. It is not, however, a replacement for in-game online features. People talk about the trophy system, which is nice and all, but it requires the trophy owner to be online and to invite you to his home to view them. In contrast, Live Achievements are viewable whether a user is online or not, whether they are your friend or not, and can even be viewed on the web through xbox.com. Home is a social environment, not an online gaming service.
Second, despite my list of many features currently unavailable on PSN, some people have followed up with "not much of a difference". This is just not true. Instead of reiterating my list or adding to it (which I could), I'll give a few examples of the online gaming experience with Live which leaves mewanting on PSN. Say I'm playing a single-player-only game like Tomb Raider Legend. I get to a save point after some trouble and feel like taking a break. I press the Guidebutton and select the Friends tab and notice a friend playing Far Cry Instincts Predator. I click on their GamerTag and it says they are playing Seek and Secure on a custom map (yes, the information is that detailed) and are joinable. I click the "Join Session in Progress" item, it asks me to confirm I wish to quite my current game, then asks for me to insert the Far Cry disc. I do that and the game loads and immediatedly asks if I want to join the session and then I am in. Another example with the same setup. A friend on Far Cry needs a few more players and sends me an invite despite the fact that I'm playing Tomb Raider. An icon flashes on screen informing me of the invite. At this point I could hit the pause button and view the message immediately putting the game in pause mode for me, or I could wait and and pull up the Guide manually later and view the message. At this point I could be near a save point and could send a reply informing my friend I'll be over when I get to the end of mission. When I hit the save point I pull up my messages and accept the invite and the previous example plays through. To me this is the essence of online gaming. To know my options, to have many options, and have an ease in which to execute them. I didn't even mention features like web-based access to your friends list with messaging, online listing of how recently your friends were last on, and display of their most recently played game in addition to their full game list.
Third, the issue of "lag". Ultimately PSN is capable of greater lag-free play. This is the advantage of company-run servers. While more than a few 360 games support company-based servers, the essence of Live is P2P gaming, which is at the mercy of the host's connection. The ultimate disadvantage of company-run servers are that they disappear when a game's popularity has run its course. We've already seen that with dozens of PS2 online titles. With the majority of Live games, if you and your friends want to drag that neglected classic off their shelf they have that option as long as Live remains a service. Live acts as a connector and packet forwarder, but leaves the actual gaming, play options and more to the host.
Lastly, the issue of PSN's "newness". Sony announced broadband gaming before the PS2 even shipped. They have had years to develop a system. Just because the PS3 only released four months ago is no excuse for missing features. And in this case we're talking features that the Original Xbox had four years ago. It's not like they didn't have a competing offering to study, or an extra year of software development to implement. "Four months" is not a valid argument, Sony has been playing the online game since Xbox Live first hit the market.
I look forward to enhancements to PSN. There are a number of upcoming titles I'm looking forward to playing with others online. The reality is that at the moment PSN is a much more limited online gaming service, and Home is not a substitute for in-game, single or multiplayer, features for online gaming.
[QUOTE="GameFreak34"]well i cant say whats better. but free, doesnt mean better. i would rather pay for a more solid service then get a half assed one for free. also home, is a stale boring, unbelieable uncreative and unorginal design. also with out a headset it doesnt work. and you can ofcourse chatter on and on abotu getting a headset seperatly. but unless somethign comes as standard then it doesnt matter. i would of never have knowen ture online if i didnt start talking to people. infact i cant play agaisnt people who dont talk , because it doenst feel like online. half of the people, casuals mainly, will not buy a headset, which means a huge loss of a experience. the home service doesnt expand your experience in any real way, because communication is so damn hard. its a glorified chat room. but dont get me wrong, im not a xbox360 fanboy. its just with out a mic, online is boring. and home looks boring. inbuilt mic couldnt had a efect on so many games, like using it as a mobile phone for some games. perhaps extendeing voice recognision and commanding troops via voice commands. and of corse a true online experience. of course sony missed that, and opted for a awful online experience which simply doesnt compare to xboxlive, simply becaus eyou can not say ownd. and if home looked like little big planet, then maybe that would be interesting, otherwise its been seen a 1000 times and is clearly a visual ****based on "no-risks" but when designing it they failed to remember to make thigns look interesting.I so hate people who write long posts about something they dont know , it makes them seem soooo stupid...a glorified chatroom? dude , you realize home supports Mics right? besides , as soon as it does come , this fall , most gamers will have a headset , needless too say Not many gamers know PS2 headsets work as well , if they did , people wouldnt' worry about headset prices because if they couldn't afford 100$ bluetooth headsets , then go buy a 20$ PS2 headset. home looks boring? Dude , I dont know about you , but honestly , when im on my Xbox 360 and im bored , what is there to do? sit in the dashboard and wait for friends? Hah! Yeah right! dude , In home , you can go to your room , spend your boredness and make your Home look better , turn it into a bar , a Clan hangout , anything , or you can go to Ubisoft's space , or EA's space , or Konami's Space , whoever has a space and explore what they came up with , titantrons hanging from the ceiling NBA style , for maybe a NBA space , and even an NFL space with a huge titantron screen , I mean come on , HOME could become so popular people could buy PS3's just to go to a huge gathering or a gathering of friends and watch the SuperBowl on PS3 Bigscreens with tons of other gamers screening on the their headsets while HOME is getting exclusive content streaming the entire game to those actually watching it on HOME. dude , HOME is one of the greatest ideas to grace a console , and is even great to developing and Publishing companies alike , if you dont like it , Then dont , your loss , Everyone who is interested , Power to them , you stay bored , I refuse to wait in a Xbox 360 dashboard.PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
feel_freetwo
[QUOTE="si7ver"]Thanks man. This is what I was looking for. I sure do hope Sony does fix those things and goes beyond. Honestly, I'm real excieted for Home to come out. But I really would like all those other issues to be addressed first. That will just make Home even better. IMO.
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clubside
You are very welcome. While I normally wouldn't reply again, other posts in this thread compel me to. For those who aren't viewing signatures, I own all three current systems (and most consoles since the first ones in the '70s) and want to enjoy all of them. That means it is important for people to have the actual facts.
First, most people don't seem to understand what HOME is. It is not a replacement for PSN. It is a standalone appliction that at some point may allow for some external links to other games. It is not, however, a replacement for in-game online features. People talk about the trophy system, which is nice and all, but it requires the trophy owner to be online and to invite you to his home to view them. In contrast, Live Achievements are viewable whether a user is online or not, whether they are your friend or not, and can even be viewed on the web through xbox.com. Home is a social environment, not an online gaming service.
Second, despite my list of many features currently unavailable on PSN, some people have followed up with "not much of a difference". This is just not true. Instead of reiterating my list or adding to it (which I could), I'll give a few examples of the online gaming experience with Live which leaves mewanting on PSN. Say I'm playing a single-player-only game like Tomb Raider Legend. I get to a save point after some trouble and feel like taking a break. I press the Guidebutton and select the Friends tab and notice a friend playing Far Cry Instincts Predator. I click on their GamerTag and it says they are playing Seek and Secure on a custom map (yes, the information is that detailed) and are joinable. I click the "Join Session in Progress" item, it asks me to confirm I wish to quite my current game, then asks for me to insert the Far Cry disc. I do that and the game loads and immediatedly asks if I want to join the session and then I am in. Another example with the same setup. A friend on Far Cry needs a few more players and sends me an invite despite the fact that I'm playing Tomb Raider. An icon flashes on screen informing me of the invite. At this point I could hit the pause button and view the message immediately putting the game in pause mode for me, or I could wait and and pull up the Guide manually later and view the message. At this point I could be near a save point and could send a reply informing my friend I'll be over when I get to the end of mission. When I hit the save point I pull up my messages and accept the invite and the previous example plays through. To me this is the essence of online gaming. To know my options, to have many options, and have an ease in which to execute them. I didn't even mention features like web-based access to your friends list with messaging, online listing of how recently your friends were last on, and display of their most recently played game in addition to their full game list.
Third, the issue of "lag". Ultimately PSN is capable of greater lag-free play. This is the advantage of company-run servers. While more than a few 360 games support company-based servers, the essence of Live is P2P gaming, which is at the mercy of the host's connection. The ultimate disadvantage of company-run servers are that they disappear when a game's popularity has run its course. We've already seen that with dozens of PS2 online titles. With the majority of Live games, if you and your friends want to drag that neglected classic off their shelf they have that option as long as Live remains a service. Live acts as a connector and packet forwarder, but leaves the actual gaming, play options and more to the host.
Lastly, the issue of PSN's "newness". Sony announced broadband gaming before the PS2 even shipped. They have had years to develop a system. Just because the PS3 only released four months ago is no excuse for missing features. And in this case we're talking features that the Original Xbox had four years ago. It's not like they didn't have a competing offering to study, or an extra year of software development to implement. "Four months" is not a valid argument, Sony has been playing the online game since Xbox Live first hit the market.
I look forward to enhancements to PSN. There are a number of upcoming titles I'm looking forward to playing with others online. The reality is that at the moment PSN is a much more limited online gaming service, and Home is not a substitute for in-game, single or multiplayer, features for online gaming.
your right about servers. but one thing your not right about are achievments on the ps3. they should of never of even been made. who in their right mind goes and looks at those pointless things. seriosuly if you do, please rid the world of your existence, old snake style. they are the most pointless things i have come across, and provide nothing other then to say....i have 9 points, or, i have 1156 points.....well done to you.[QUOTE="Acid08"][QUOTE="Mecamatt"]You can video chat over PSN. Once Home comes out the 360's gamercard will be destroyed. XBL games are much more laggy because they run off the same servers. PS3 uses dedicated servers for almost no lag ever.1. Xbox Live comes with a global constant friends list
2. PSN is FREE...but personally I'd rather pay 50 dolars a year and have a much better online service but I know people who wouldnt.
3 Xbox Live lags much less often (Actually it depends on the games but so far most 360 games lag less than PS3 games)
4. You can download movies on XBL for a fair price so you dont have to drive to the rental store
5. Theres a private chat feature in Xbox Live where any 2 friends can talk to each other while playing different games. (Like talkin on the phone basically)
6. You can video chat over XBL
7. You can download arcade games over xbox live ussually for about 5 dollars (From Pac-Man to Geometry Wars to Lumines)
8. Achievent Points over Xbox Live add an ENORMOUS amount of replay value. Trust me I would have stopped playing Oblivion after 30 hours if it werent for achievements. Ive played Oblivion 160 hours...
9. HOME seems pretty cool for the PS3.
10. There are far more online games for the 360, and far more upcoming online games.
11. You can surf the web over the PS3...But its better just to do it over your comp so its pretty poinless really.
12. You get a gamer profile when you make an online account with Xbox live which you can customize to fit your individuality.Devils_Joker_22
In my experience, PSN is alot more laggy than XBL. THe only game on Xbl thats ever lagged is gears, and thats because my internet had a serious issue. But on psn...Motorstorm lags almost every time.
PSN more laggy? Dude , PSN has never lagged on any game I have ever played , but man , let me tell you games that lagged for me on xbox 360 , FarCry Instincts-Gears of War-Rainbow 6 Vegas-Splinter Cell DA-Madden 07-Marvel Ulitmate Alliance-Crackdown-Saints Row-Perfect Dark 0-Chrome hounds-Battlefield 2 MC-Madden 2006-Call of Duty2-Call of Duty 3-I could keep on going , oh yeah , I have never played a 360 game that had to be fixed and updated in order to work correctly , and almost everyone I know has the same problems , XBL servers suck , PSN servers are more reliable.Where are you getting $70 a year from?PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
GameFreak34
PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
GameFreak34
xbox live is $50 a year not $70
People talk about the trophy system, which is nice and all, but it requires the trophy owner to be online and to invite you to his home to view them.
clubside
This is the only thing I think you missed. The trophies will not be viewed from the persons "home", but rather in that gigantic trophy hall that can be accessed at any time. (at least thats the way I understood it) I agree completely with the rest of your posts. My opinion on the whole thing, Sony just needs to finish the firmware to allow xmb functionality while in game/movie. I remembered seeing a demonstration on IGN before the launch even took place where they showed an example of this, so I'm kind of curious as to why that feature hasn't been initialized yet.
[QUOTE="feel_freetwo"][QUOTE="GameFreak34"]well i cant say whats better. but free, doesnt mean better. i would rather pay for a more solid service then get a half assed one for free. also home, is a stale boring, unbelieable uncreative and unorginal design. also with out a headset it doesnt work. and you can ofcourse chatter on and on abotu getting a headset seperatly. but unless somethign comes as standard then it doesnt matter. i would of never have knowen ture online if i didnt start talking to people. infact i cant play agaisnt people who dont talk , because it doenst feel like online. half of the people, casuals mainly, will not buy a headset, which means a huge loss of a experience. the home service doesnt expand your experience in any real way, because communication is so damn hard. its a glorified chat room. but dont get me wrong, im not a xbox360 fanboy. its just with out a mic, online is boring. and home looks boring. inbuilt mic couldnt had a efect on so many games, like using it as a mobile phone for some games. perhaps extendeing voice recognision and commanding troops via voice commands. and of corse a true online experience. of course sony missed that, and opted for a awful online experience which simply doesnt compare to xboxlive, simply becaus eyou can not say ownd. and if home looked like little big planet, then maybe that would be interesting, otherwise its been seen a 1000 times and is clearly a visual ****based on "no-risks" but when designing it they failed to remember to make thigns look interesting.I so hate people who write long posts about something they dont know , it makes them seem soooo stupid...a glorified chatroom? dude , you realize home supports Mics right? besides , as soon as it does come , this fall , most gamers will have a headset , needless too say Not many gamers know PS2 headsets work as well , if they did , people wouldnt' worry about headset prices because if they couldn't afford 100$ bluetooth headsets , then go buy a 20$ PS2 headset. home looks boring? Dude , I dont know about you , but honestly , when im on my Xbox 360 and im bored , what is there to do? sit in the dashboard and wait for friends? Hah! Yeah right! dude , In home , you can go to your room , spend your boredness and make your Home look better , turn it into a bar , a Clan hangout , anything , or you can go to Ubisoft's space , or EA's space , or Konami's Space , whoever has a space and explore what they came up with , titantrons hanging from the ceiling NBA style , for maybe a NBA space , and even an NFL space with a huge titantron screen , I mean come on , HOME could become so popular people could buy PS3's just to go to a huge gathering or a gathering of friends and watch the SuperBowl on PS3 Bigscreens with tons of other gamers screening on the their headsets while HOME is getting exclusive content streaming the entire game to those actually watching it on HOME. dude , HOME is one of the greatest ideas to grace a console , and is even great to developing and Publishing companies alike , if you dont like it , Then dont , your loss , Everyone who is interested , Power to them , you stay bored , I refuse to wait in a Xbox 360 dashboard. well you believe that i am comparing home to the xbox360 dashboard. but im not, its a boring design. its not exciting in the least. nor is it particually dynamic. although i have perhaps overlooked various fun factors. it still is a ikea, clean, sims like (but less interesting) world. i doubt it will capture young children, i doubt it will capture older people, simply because they have seen the sims. i doubt it will particually reach the gamers because gears of war is around, whcih is presented in this excited and immersive way. and in comparison this doesnt exactly stand up. little big planet + home, that would of been a good combination. as for head sets, most gamers wont have headsets. because nothing works unless it is standadized. the casual market will not know how good talking is online, you dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that, because i and thosands of others were those people. im sure the 6 million xblive user will get headsets for their ps3, but a huge percentage of casual gamers wont, simply because its not standard.PSN>XBL
FREE>$70/yr
also, once HOME is available, the online will be even better...
Psythce
[QUOTE="clubside"]People talk about the trophy system, which is nice and all, but it requires the trophy owner to be online and to invite you to his home to view them.
The_Rick_14
This is the only thing I think you missed. The trophies will not be viewed from the persons "home", but rather in that gigantic trophy hall that can be accessed at any time. (at least thats the way I understood it) I agree completely with the rest of your posts. My opinion on the whole thing, Sony just needs to finish the firmware to allow xmb functionality while in game/movie. I remembered seeing a demonstration on IGN before the launch even took place where they showed an example of this, so I'm kind of curious as to why that feature hasn't been initialized yet.
Yea, but the person with those trophies has to be online to show you it... which kinda ruins the point in my opinion More or less, it comes down to the you get what you pay for. XBL you get more small features than make playing online efficient and...awesome On PSn you get the basics of more or less a PC multiplayer experienceWhat does XBL have that PSN doesn't? I'm asking because I just want to know what could Sony do to make their online better. I don't have neither systems. So I honestly don't know.
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si7ver
Not least of which, XBL has MUCH more content. Worlds more. More games. More video. TV shows. Movies. Etc. And it lets you know when your friends are online and challenging them to a game is exceptionally easy.
-=Mike
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