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#1 FantasyTwisted
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Although Uncharted 2 is much better than the first inFamous, since ND is jhelping SP work on inFamous 2, do you think there's a giant chance that inFamous 2 could match up to, or be better than Uncharted 2? Maybe.
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#2 dk00111
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Well, for one thing, Uncharted 2 was pretty linear while Infamous is open world, so the style of the game will be different. But from what I've seen, it has a shot. They've been working hard on the game.
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#3 FantasyTwisted
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Well, for one thing, Uncharted 2 was pretty linear while Infamous is open world, so the style of the game will be different. But from what I've seen, it has a shot. They've been working hard on the game. dk00111
I hope so. It looks really good.
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#4 Fightingfan
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Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.
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#5 frostybanana
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They're way too different to compare side by side. You could always go from a technical perspective, but Uncharted 2 is technically better than Infamous 1 and will probably be technically better than Infamous 2. But as a game, if you like open world sandbox games more than 3rd person shooters where you basically go where you're told to go, then you'll probably like Infamous 2 more and vice versa.
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#6 worlock77
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Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.Fightingfan

Just out of curiosity do you ever have a positive comment to make about anything? I don't think I've seen one single post from you that wasn't negative.

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.worlock77

Just out of curiosity do you ever have a positive comment to make about anything? I don't think I've seen one single post from you that wasn't negative.

Yes, just read more... I just express negative comments where I feel negative comments are needed. I just gave Uncharted a compliment.
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#9 FantasyTwisted
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[QUOTE="worlock77"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.Fightingfan

Just out of curiosity do you ever have a positive comment to make about anything? I don't think I've seen one single post from you that wasn't negative.

Yes, just read more... I just express negative comments where I feel negative comments are needed. I just gave Uncharted a compliment.

And inFamous a bad one at the same time.
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Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.Fightingfan

Pretty sure myself and a majority of the gaming world feels that inFamous was an amazing game, hence the 9 out of 10 score. If you don't like a game just leave it at that, don't need to insult the game saying its horrible just to help with your own insecurity/issues or whatever the reason is your needlessly put down amazing games.

@worlock77, I agree with you, have never seen fightingfan ever have anything positive to say. Just a wet blanket all the time

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.phantom_blade66

Pretty sure myself and a majority of the gaming world feels that inFamous was an amazing game, hence the 9 out of 10 score. If you don't like a game just leave it at that, don't need to insult the game saying its horrible just to help with your own insecurity/issues or whatever the reason is your needlessly put down amazing games.

@worlock77, I agree with you, have never seen fightingfan ever have anything positive to say. Just a wet blanket all the time

Do you have insecurity issues? Is that why you go around trying to start arguments with someone who thinks differently from you?

He is contributing his 2 cents, you do not have to be a little brat and try to argue with him.

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#13 phantom_blade66
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.Melpoe

Pretty sure myself and a majority of the gaming world feels that inFamous was an amazing game, hence the 9 out of 10 score. If you don't like a game just leave it at that, don't need to insult the game saying its horrible just to help with your own insecurity/issues or whatever the reason is your needlessly put down amazing games.

@worlock77, I agree with you, have never seen fightingfan ever have anything positive to say. Just a wet blanket all the time

Do you have insecurity issues? Is that why you go around trying to start arguments with someone who thinks differently from you?

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

Oh and Uncharted 2 was amazing game as well, obviously you don't care for quality games. But thats you decision to make, your loss

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.phantom_blade66

Pretty sure myself and a majority of the gaming world feels that inFamous was an amazing game, hence the 9 out of 10 score. If you don't like a game just leave it at that, don't need to insult the game saying its horrible just to help with your own insecurity/issues or whatever the reason is your needlessly put down amazing games.

@worlock77, I agree with you, have never seen fightingfan ever have anything positive to say. Just a wet blanket all the time

I haven't been here long at all, but from the five posts I've seen from him, he's always negative.
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#15 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

Pretty sure myself and a majority of the gaming world feels that inFamous was an amazing game, hence the 9 out of 10 score. If you don't like a game just leave it at that, don't need to insult the game saying its horrible just to help with your own insecurity/issues or whatever the reason is your needlessly put down amazing games.

@worlock77, I agree with you, have never seen fightingfan ever have anything positive to say. Just a wet blanket all the time

phantom_blade66

Do you have insecurity issues? Is that why you go around trying to start arguments with someone who thinks differently from you?

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels.

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#16 phantom_blade66
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Melpoe"] Do you have insecurity issues? Is that why you go around trying to start arguments with someone who thinks differently from you?Melpoe

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels, grow up.

I contradict myself on so many levels? Pretty sure I wasn't picking a fight or mocking,but expressing my own opinions. And don't tell me to grow up child, that makes me laugh. This debate could've ended but you just keep feeding the fire huh

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#17 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

phantom_blade66

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels, grow up.

I contradict myself on so many levels? Pretty sure I wasn't picking a fight or mocking,but expressing my own opinions. And don't tell me to grow up child, that makes me laugh. This debate could've ended but you just keep feeding the fire huh

So you express you're opinions by insulting him? Telling him he has insecurity issues and he has nothing positive to say?

You sir make me laugh out the loud. It's not even a debate, it's like speaking with a 1 minded contradicting baby :P.

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#18 phantom_blade66
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels, grow up.

Melpoe

I contradict myself on so many levels? Pretty sure I wasn't picking a fight or mocking,but expressing my own opinions. And don't tell me to grow up child, that makes me laugh. This debate could've ended but you just keep feeding the fire huh

So you express you're opinions by insulting him? Telling him he has insecurity issues and he has nothing positive to say?

You sir make me laugh out the loud. It's not even a debate, it's like speaking with a 1 minded contradicting baby :P.

From what I've seen and read he has nothing positive to say, which is my own observation and opinion, can you understand that or is it too complicated for you tiny myopic brain? Oohh calling me a one minded contradicting baby huh? Such harsh words, oh no I'm so scared and offended. Honestly grow up, its sad how far you've taken this on a topic that never even involved you in the first place.

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#19 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

I contradict myself on so many levels? Pretty sure I wasn't picking a fight or mocking,but expressing my own opinions. And don't tell me to grow up child, that makes me laugh. This debate could've ended but you just keep feeding the fire huh

phantom_blade66

So you express you're opinions by insulting him? Telling him he has insecurity issues and he has nothing positive to say?

You sir make me laugh out the loud. It's not even a debate, it's like speaking with a 1 minded contradicting baby :P.

From what I've seen and read he has nothing positive to say, which is my own observation and opinion, can you understand that or is it too complicated for you tiny myopic brain? Oohh calling me a one minded contradicting baby huh? Such harsh words, oh no I'm so scared and offended. Honestly grow up, its sad how far you've taken this on a topic that never even involved you in the first place.

Me trying to scare you? Im not trying to insult you, im just trying to put people like you in line. Im tired of mentioning a game I may not think is "epic" like U2 and the some contradicting baby like you strolls on in and tries to tell me my opinion is invalid.

So please my friend, so what if he hates Infamous, does it keep you up at night knowing that?

Also, I loved Infamous I thnik Uncharted 2 is a great game, but you don't see me telling fightingfan he is wrong do you? Also it does involve me, because when you want to come in here and insult a fellow Gamespot user im going to put you in line.

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#21 Melpoe
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I guess it's a bad time to tell people I hate God of War3 too.Fightingfan

Oh my goodness, that's Phantom Blades "epic" game :P.

I guess you're an idiot in his eyes :roll:.

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#22 phantom_blade66
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

So you express you're opinions by insulting him? Telling him he has insecurity issues and he has nothing positive to say?

You sir make me laugh out the loud. It's not even a debate, it's like speaking with a 1 minded contradicting baby :P.

Melpoe

From what I've seen and read he has nothing positive to say, which is my own observation and opinion, can you understand that or is it too complicated for you tiny myopic brain? Oohh calling me a one minded contradicting baby huh? Such harsh words, oh no I'm so scared and offended. Honestly grow up, its sad how far you've taken this on a topic that never even involved you in the first place.

Me trying to scare you? Im not trying to insult you, im just trying to put people like you in line. Im tired of mentioning a game I may not think is "epic" like U2 and the some contradicting baby like you strolls on in and tries to tell me my opinion is invalid.

So please my friend, so what if he hates Infamous, does it keep you up at night knowing that?

Also, I loved Infamous I thnik Uncharted 2 is a great game, but you don't see me telling fightingfan he is wrong do you? Also it does involve me, because when you want to come in here and insult a fellow Gamespot user im going to put you in line.

Lets see, first off you barged in on me so thats your first fault. Secondly stop calling me a baby when you're being the childish one and not letting this go. Thirdly, there's a difference between not calling a game "epic" and calling it "an original piece of sh*t, tell that to the people who worked on it and see how they take it. Fourthly, never even focused on you or your opinion so don't see when I called it invalid. And "you're going to put me in line", no you're not going to do that and you never will, but nice try though, thanks for being such a good samaritan.

And no him disliking inFamous doesn't keep me up at night, I'm too busy at night working in a hospital listening to people screaming. So yeah think on that one before you drag personal lives into this.

Grow up and drop this already. Before either of us gets modded for no reason.

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#23 Fightingfan
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^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Melpoe"] Do you have insecurity issues? Is that why you go around trying to start arguments with someone who thinks differently from you?Melpoe

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels.

Your kinda picking a fight yourself arent you?

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#25 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

How is it an argument? I have no problem with him disliking the game (aka thinking differently from me. If you actually READ you'll notice what I actually wrote I said "if you don't like a game just leave it at that", so he can dislike it all he wants. He doesn't have to go out of his way to insult it. I don't like plenty of games, don't see me insulting them. So yeah, please read next time before you go opening your mouth and end up being wrong. Thanks buddy

xxgunslingerxx

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels.

Your kinda picking a fight yourself arent you?

Only because he apparently has the time to tell Fightingfan his opinion is unacceptable and he is crazy to think infamous is not a great game.

I would not even consider it a fight, it's more like me talking to a brick wall and proving my point, that the wall is full of it(you know cement :P)

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]I guess it's a bad time to tell people I hate God of War3 too.Melpoe

Oh my goodness, that's Phantom Blades "epic" game :P.

I guess you're an idiot in his eyes :roll:.

Again never called anyone an "idiot" so you're putting words in my mouth and being wrong again, way to go.

Oh and the definition of "epic" lets see hmm: " of heroic or impressive proportions, majestic, of unsually great size"

Kratos was a hero (anti-hero) of impressive proportions, check. The games graphics were majestic, check. And titans and other bosses were of unusually great size, check.

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#27 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..

Nah :P. I will gladly put down people like Phantom blade, im just done speaking with him. I can only handle so much ignorance you see.
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yeahhh........... so back to the topic at hand... Infamous 2, judging from the few shots I've seen, seems to have adopted the "scripted" aspects that Uncharted 2 seems to have built for itself. Aside from heavily scripting specific parts of the game, I doubt they'll be too similar. Uncharted is an extremely linear game that lets devs pull off a lot of what they want , however, open world games are different beasts.
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[QUOTE="verbalfilth"]yeahhh........... so back to the topic at hand... Infamous 2, judging from the few shots I've seen, seems to have adopted the "scripted" aspects that Uncharted 2 seems to have built for itself. Aside from heavily scripting specific parts of the game, I doubt they'll be too similar. Uncharted is an extremely linear game that lets devs pull off a lot of what they want , however, open world games are different beasts.

You cans till script the backgrounds and script few distance GTA4 does it just fly in a helicopter and look down.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..Melpoe
Nah :P. I will gladly put down people like Phantom blade, im just done speaking with him. I can only handle so much ignorance you see.

lol you gotta be kidding me your passive aggressiveness is an obvious attempt at picking a fight now

if you had left it without this post you would have made a point... but now u seem immature

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Although Uncharted 2 is much better than the first inFamous, since ND is jhelping SP work on inFamous 2, do you think there's a giant chance that inFamous 2 could match up to, or be better than Uncharted 2? Maybe.FantasyTwisted
It will rape the **** outta uncharted

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#32 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..xxgunslingerxx

Nah :P. I will gladly put down people like Phantom blade, im just done speaking with him. I can only handle so much ignorance you see.

lol you gotta be kidding me your passive aggressiveness is an obvious attempt at picking a fight now

if you had left it without this post you would have made a point... but now u seem immature

Nope, I feel pretty comfortable defending Fightingfan, and maybe what I said was uncalled for but I will leave it up and stand by my decision.

I cannot stand people like phantom blade. God for bid I speak poorly about a PS3 hit.

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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..

So you want everyone to delete their posts when you still say 'I still say Infamous sucks though..'? Nice....
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#34 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..

So you want everyone to delete their posts when you still say 'I still say Infamous sucks though..'? Nice....

You obvious don't understand what I was trying to do.
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="Fightingfan"]^^ I recommend everyone just deletes their post... I still say Infamous sucks though..

So you want everyone to delete their posts when you still say 'I still say Infamous sucks though..'? Nice....

You obvious don't understand what I was trying to do.

If you were trying to tick everyone off, then I do understand.
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Guys hold on, I just finished my popcorn. Wait until I pop a new bag and then continue.
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Guys hold on, I just finished my popcorn. Wait until I pop a new bag and then continue.dk00111
May I have some?
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#38 Melpoe
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[QUOTE="dk00111"]Guys hold on, I just finished my popcorn. Wait until I pop a new bag and then continue.FantasyTwisted
May I have some?

No :P.
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[QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="dk00111"]Guys hold on, I just finished my popcorn. Wait until I pop a new bag and then continue.Melpoe
May I have some?

No :P.

Why not? You can easily send it to Australia :(
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This online slandering back and forth is too intense, he needs all the popcorn he can. Sony should take this forum post and turn it into a game. Then myself and Melpoe can have Round 2 on whether we hate it or love it haha

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#41 dk00111
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[QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="Melpoe"][QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"] May I have some?

No :P.

Why not? You can easily send it to Australia :(

Only if you pay the customs.
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#42 FantasyTwisted
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[QUOTE="dk00111"][QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="Melpoe"] No :P.

Why not? You can easily send it to Australia :(

Only if you pay the customs.

And how must I do that?
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#43 TroubleMaker411
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Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.Fightingfan

See, i feel the other way around... so....

Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Uncharted is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.

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#44 FantasyTwisted
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.TroubleMaker411

See, i feel the other way around... so....

Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Uncharted is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.

I just can't stop laughing :lol: Let's discuss LBP and Ratchet and Clank next.... :roll:
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#45 TroubleMaker411
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[QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"]Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Infamous is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.FantasyTwisted

See, i feel the other way around... so....

Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Uncharted is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.

I just can't stop laughing :lol: Let's discuss LBP and Ratchet and Clank next.... :roll:

LBP rules!

End Of...

:lol:

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#46 FantasyTwisted
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[QUOTE="FantasyTwisted"][QUOTE="TroubleMaker411"]

See, i feel the other way around... so....

Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a horrible one. Uncharted is soo bad I couldn't even finish it.

TroubleMaker411

I just can't stop laughing :lol: Let's discuss LBP and Ratchet and Clank next.... :roll:

LBP rules!

End Of...

:lol:

Ratchet and Clank is so much better! Don't you dare compare an awesome game to a sucking one! LBP was so bad I couldn't even fi....oh wait :lol:
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#48 SickBoy724
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They are different games, aside from being in the action/adventure genre. It's like comparing Little Big Planet to Fallout New Vegas. Just doesn't work like that.

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#49 TroubleMaker411
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They are different games, aside from being in the action/adventure genre. It's like comparing Little Big Planet to Fallout New Vegas. Just doesn't work like that.

SickBoy724

Little Big Planet is better!

:lol:

tee hee

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#50 rustynailrdm
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[QUOTE="phantom_blade66"]

[QUOTE="Melpoe"]

Yes, you say if you don't like the game then leave it at that, but yet at the same time you want to pick a fight and mock him for not liking Infamous.

Lol, you contradict yourself on so many levels, grow up.

Melpoe

I contradict myself on so many levels? Pretty sure I wasn't picking a fight or mocking,but expressing my own opinions. And don't tell me to grow up child, that makes me laugh. This debate could've ended but you just keep feeding the fire huh

So you express you're opinions by insulting him? Telling him he has insecurity issues and he has nothing positive to say?

"YOU SIR MAKE ME LAUGH OUT THE LOUD". It's not even a debate, it's like speaking with a 1 minded contradicting baby :P.

Now that made me LOL