No. If I am right, the hardware emulation was taken out of the 40GB to make it cheaper. It does not bother me because I have a PS2 to play on if I what to.
No. If I am right, the hardware emulation was taken out of the 40GB to make it cheaper. It does not bother me because I have a PS2 to play on if I what to. jfcundiff
No. If I am right, the hardware emulation was taken out of the 40GB to make it cheaper. It does not bother me because I have a PS2 to play on if I what to. jfcundiff
they did take it out only the old 80gb could play it
[QUOTE="jfcundiff"]No. If I am right, the hardware emulation was taken out of the 40GB to make it cheaper. It does not bother me because I have a PS2 to play on if I what to. Titans23
what's a hardware emulation
Hardware Emulation is the Emoton Engine Chip from the actual PS2, that gives the 60GB Near-Full Backwards compatability.
[QUOTE="Titans23"][QUOTE="jfcundiff"]No. If I am right, the hardware emulation was taken out of the 40GB to make it cheaper. It does not bother me because I have a PS2 to play on if I what to. samuraiguns
what's a hardware emulation
Hardware Emulation is the Emoton Engine Chip from the actual PS2, that gives the 60GB Near-Full Backwards compatability.
crap i'm mad now, i was hoping it would come soon because my tv broke and i have my ps3 hooked up through my computer but my computer has no av cables for my ps2...i'm screwed.
Yeah its definitely possible. there is more than enough hardware to emulate ps2 games through software. however because they removed all the hardware it will probably take a long time to get it compatable with the many games the PS2 had. I think the odds of this are very likely because i think at some point sony would want to digitally distribute ps2 games over psn. If they don't do this then they are really missing the boat here.
there is no HARDWARE Emulation... the original PS3s have the PS2 chipset which allows it to play almost all PS2 games perfectly... The later 80gb models have SOFTWARE emulation that run the games. This is very possible in all PS3s... and they have to do is make it available on all firmwares..... I say all firmware because, yes, we do all get the same firmware, but there are different instructions within the firmware that detect your PS3 model and install firmware options accordingly.... if this wasn;t there and we all used the same firmware, the 80gb BC people will lose that ability because the new firmware would wipe it out.
If the PS3 is sold as a Computer Entertainment System and people have done illegal things concerning PS2's and computers then it should be done on the PS3!
With the launch 20/60gig models, Sony had the physical chips from the PS2 in the ps3. This was similar to how Sony initially had the PS1 CPU in the original fatty PS2 for PS1 BC, because then if the boot loader detects that type of game disc, it simply forks control over to that chip and the ps3's stuff are used to upscale/clean up appropriately. With the soft-BC models, the EE is still there, but the GS is then replaced by the RSX, which is the best possible explanation I could think of for why so many of the games that were otherwise OK on the hardware BC models have graphical glitches with the softBC units; the CPU and GPU in the PS2 are fundamentally different from those in a ps3, which is why it's so (needlessly) difficult. As it stands right now, the current ps3's can use the existing emulation that Sony uses for PS1 and ps2 on ps3 because the hardware just isn't there for it.
its totally possible and expect it in a firmware update when the ps2's stop selling. right now they don't want to give it to the ps3 users when ps2's are still selling quite well and most of what a ps2 is sold for is pure profit.
[QUOTE="FlashCharge"]Can't be done with an update it is a hardware issue.Macri
not a hardware issue... the 80GB BC do not have the hardware, its all software emulation........The 80GB softBC units still have the EE (CPU) portion of the PS2. What it lacks is the GS (GPU) portion, which it then instructs the ps3's RSX to handle. This is why (I believe) that most of the BC glitches/issues that are still prevalent with the softBC ps3 are usually graphical in nature - trying to emulate the architecture appropriately on their own GS must have been tricky. In the fullBC models, they had both the EE+GS, so all 't3h C3ll' and RSX were doing was upscale duties and keeping on stand-by should you have pressed the Home button on your controller.
I think it is possible, and probable....eventually. I agree that they will probably wait untill the ps2 stops selling. To me, the move to remove all BC from all PS3's just doesn't make sense unless they are planing on releasing software emulation later on. I think it will be at least game specific. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't x-box 360 do this for x-box games? Patches have to be downloaded for that specific game to be played, and these are not available for all games? Computers don't have SNES chipsets, but that doesn't stop them from emulated SNES games(maybe not great, but it plays them)
They could, but I doubt they will, at least for a while, while the PS2 is still around they wont make an update, and then they'll probably release it as some 5$ DLC after the PS2 production has stopped
I think it is possible, and probable....eventually. I agree that they will probably wait untill the ps2 stops selling. To me, the move to remove all BC from all PS3's just doesn't make sense unless they are planing on releasing software emulation later on. I think it will be at least game specific. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't x-box 360 do this for x-box games? Patches have to be downloaded for that specific game to be played, and these are not available for all games? Computers don't have SNES chipsets, but that doesn't stop them from emulated SNES games(maybe not great, but it plays them)cloud_strife007
The obvious reason is that - in short - Microsoft forgot to secure the IP to the CPU and GPU in the original Xbox, thus 100% BC is impossible. So yea, they have to basically write profiles for each and every game to add to the BC list. The reason some games get added before others though is that if many games share the same engine, then they try to write the profile so it works with all games using the same engine.
[QUOTE="FlashCharge"]Can't be done with an update it is a hardware issue.Macri
not a hardware issue... the 80GB BC do not have the hardware, its all software emulation........
Umm....No, The PS3 80GB backwards compatible has hardware in it but not PS2 hardware, It has a Graphics Synthesizer Chip installed. So FlashCharge is correct.
Actually, it cannot be done. More than the EE chip was removed from the 40gb PS3. The 80gb PS3 still had some hardware in common with the PS2. The 40gb does not. For there to be PS2 emulation on the 40gb Sony would have to individually program each and every game to work on the PS3. A total waste of time and money. Don't believe me? Link
"The 60GB model launched in Europe was a new model (shared with the 80GB model launched subsequently in USA) which contains only a modified version of the Graphics Synthesiser chip from the PS2 and not the Emotion Engine chip. The European launch model therefore used a combination of software and the modified version of the PS2 Graphics Synthesiser chip to deliver backwards compatibility for PS2 titles. As a result the percentage of backwards compatible PS2 titles was slightly reduced.
"The 40GB model, to be launched in Europe on 10th October, is a new model and is not equipped with any of the semi conductors from the PS2, and backwards compatibility would therefore have to be achieved by software emulation alone." Because each game would have to be individually emulated (much like on the Xbox 360), Sony decided that an effort like that would be much too costly, and opted to remove BC support from the 40GB system entirely. That decision has not only produced a cheaper system for Sony to manufacture, but for consumers to buy as well. PS3 Fanboy
Yeah its definitely possible. there is more than enough hardware to emulate ps2 games through software. however because they removed all the hardware it will probably take a long time to get it compatable with the many games the PS2 had. I think the odds of this are very likely because i think at some point sony would want to digitally distribute ps2 games over psn. If they don't do this then they are really missing the boat here.Dimb
yeah sony plans is to overcharge for PSN games when u can actully get them for way less at Gamestop.
[QUOTE="Macri"][QUOTE="FlashCharge"]Can't be done with an update it is a hardware issue.samuraiguns
not a hardware issue... the 80GB BC do not have the hardware, its all software emulation........
Umm....No, The PS3 80GB backwards compatible has hardware in it but not PS2 hardware, It has a Graphics Synthesizer Chip installed. So FlashCharge is correct.
Um, no. Like people already said, you can play PS2 games on PC by software emulation. It's not a hardware thing.
To emulate another system, you have to be able to provide similar or exceeding, architechture enviornment, or you will not be able to emulate.
The PS3 without the hardware architechture (Emotion Engine / Graphics Synthesizer), will not be able to emulate, no matter how inferior the emulated system is.
if joe smo can do emulators that allow you to play all console games on pc then im sure sony could do one that will work with ps1 and ps2 games. you do not need the actual hardwear.
[QUOTE="Treflis"]You're better off just getting a PS2 and keeping it in great condition over the years. That'll what I'll do from now on.Except PS2's are known to be unreliable something fierce. The "Disc Read Error" in the PSOne and PStwo generations humiliated the **** out of the 360 RRoD. Only reason people forgave it on the PlayStation was because most of them had already built up a library of games already and thus wanted to just be able to continue playing, whereas the 360 gets blasted because it's a Microsoft product, and it's fashionable to have blind hatred toward the product because of that. :roll:
I won't be surprised if they do, but maybe once the PS2s stop selling. I have a 60GB so I don't care, though I worry what would happen if my PS3 broke. The convenience of being able to have as many virtual memory cards and not having to worry about those things are something I wouldn't want to lose. Plus my PS1 and PS2 games look better upscaled on my HDTV then they did normally on my tube.
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