Is Killzone supposed to represent WWII 1945?

Is Killzone supposed to represent WWII in 1940 - 1945?

The reason I say this is because of how the Helghast dress, with their gas masks and trench coats and their symbol is circular and symetrical, while ISA soldiers are more the "American Saving Private Ryan" type, or American.

Basically, is Helghast supposed to be WWII Germany and ISA America?

Like, when you play as ISA and you frag a Helghast, it says "die fascist." But when you play as the Helghast and are fighting ISA, they say "do it for the homeland."

Plus Helghast consider themselves superior and invade other places to destroy the groups that live there.

Do you think this was an allusion they were trying to go for?

Isn't the story like the Helghast when to the ISA planet, tried to takeover but failed and then went to Helghan to try to take over it?

Isn't the story like the Helghast when to the ISA planet, tried to takeover but failed and then went to Helghan to try to take over it?

ASLplease

No, I think in the first game, Helghan invaded Vekta, and in the second game, Vekta is invading Helghan for "revenge/payback."

The title confused me when i first saw it, but I see what your saying now. I have let to play that game tho so I really can't give you my imput on the story. Although good job on your theory ;)

Noaznpickle

im pretty sure its set in the future... so no...yarou1000

The title confused me when i first saw it, but I see what your saying now. I have let to play that game tho so I really can't give you my imput on the story. Although good job on your theory ;)

Solar_Eclipse13

the killzone story is as follows: when the resources on earth where running low, humans looked fto space exploration and..... hell, here's a link to the backstory. you read it.

http://www.killzone.com/kz/storyline.psml

I see what your talking about but I don't think they're meant to be related.

kinda. the helghast are space nazi's.

yep, that is why they (Zero Punctuation) called it "Gears of World War II".

kinda. the helghast are space nazi's.

1bigsmoke55

That's vaguely the impression I got as well.

The gas mask was commonly associated with World War One Germany, 1914 - 1918, and Helghast soldiers wear the gas mask, so in that regard I made a connection.

Everyone doubting, look at the images below, some are images from World War One (1914 - 1918) and some are from Killzone and tell me you do not see similarities.

German Stormtrooper dog circa 1914 - 1918

War Dog - Killzone

German Stormtroopers circa 1914 - 1918

Helghast - Killzone screenshot

Now look at this image and tell me you can't picture this as some kind of link to early 20th Century Germany.

Since it's extremely hard to come up with something ENTIRELY NEW, especially regarding Warfare, it has probably been inspired a bit by 20th century worldwide conflicts.

You can't easily invent a whole new concept like fascism, communism, nazism, terrorism, hostage situation and such every other day. You have to base yourself on something solid, on something you, and gamers, are - at least vaguely - familiar with.

It does have some obvious similarities but it has a slightly different plot. The Helghast can be seen similarly to the Germans but they are more like the Soviets as they come in numbers. Also the Helghast do not go after one specific group of people and kill them, instead they commit acts of vengeance against the ISA for repressing the Helghast at the time when they were the minority.

I see what you are saying when describing the conflict. The Helghast, like the Nazi's of WW2, are a fascistic organization though on a much less sinister scale. I think the Helghan are complete pansies compared to Nazis of Germany. The ISA is more like the UNSC of Halo wherein it's more like all of the nations of Earth, or whatever retarded name they gave to the planet the humans dwell on. Or you could say that the ISA is like the UN of our time. Either way, I don't think the conflict of Killzone is a very interesting one, unlike that of WW2 or Halo. Call me a fanboy if you want, I don't care, I just couldn't get into Killzone 2. I played the first game through to completion but was sorely disappointed. The acting and story were just atrocious. I couldn't get past it, and for that reason it really kind of just destroyed my anticipation for Killzone 2 completely. I mean how can you realistically go from Killzone 1 to Killzone 2, which severely dwarfs its predecessor in every way imaginable. Definitely one of the worst transitions in videogame history. Another similar example is the transition from Devil May Cry 1 to Devil May Cry 2.

yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.cj_simmons

Don't the Helghast want to kill off the humans? Isn't that why they attacked the human world in the first game? I don't see the difference. Genocide is genocide. Maybe the Helghast officers don't actually feel like their side is bad, hence all the empowering speeches from Brian Cox, who is essentially their emperor or Hitler Do you honestly think that the Nazis felt like they were bad? In fact, it's true that not all of them were, many of them were just normal soldiers. It was the horrific acts of genocide commited by those Nazis in the concentration camps and throughout the cities of Germany on their quest to rid the land of Jews that paints the picture that all Nazis were horrible, heartless Hitler sympathizers. This just is not the case, but since the act of genocide was so atrocious, and that is the main thing we are taught about WW2 in history class at our public schools, we automatically associate Nazis as being hate-mongering soulless human beings.

[QUOTE="cj_simmons"]yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.Intrakitt

Don't the Helghast want to kill off the humans? Isn't that why they attacked the human world in the first game? I don't see the difference. Genocide is genocide. Maybe the Helghast officers don't actually feel like their side is bad, hence all the empowering speeches from Brian Cox, who is essentially their emperor or Hitler Do you honestly think that the Nazis felt like they were bad? In fact, it's true that not all of them were, many of them were just normal soldiers. It was the horrific acts of genocide commited by those Nazis in the concentration camps and throughout the cities of Germany on their quest to rid the land of Jews that paints the picture that all Nazis were horrible, heartless Hitler sympathizers. This just is not the case, but since the act of genocide was so atrocious, and that is the main thing we are taught about WW2 in history class at our public schools, we automatically associate Nazis as being hate-mongering soulless human beings.

[QUOTE="Intrakitt"]

[QUOTE="cj_simmons"]yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.cj_simmons

Don't the Helghast want to kill off the humans? Isn't that why they attacked the human world in the first game? I don't see the difference. Genocide is genocide. Maybe the Helghast officers don't actually feel like their side is bad, hence all the empowering speeches from Brian Cox, who is essentially their emperor or Hitler Do you honestly think that the Nazis felt like they were bad? In fact, it's true that not all of them were, many of them were just normal soldiers. It was the horrific acts of genocide commited by those Nazis in the concentration camps and throughout the cities of Germany on their quest to rid the land of Jews that paints the picture that all Nazis were horrible, heartless Hitler sympathizers. This just is not the case, but since the act of genocide was so atrocious, and that is the main thing we are taught about WW2 in history class at our public schools, we automatically associate Nazis as being hate-mongering soulless human beings.

Apologies, I meant all of the humans who lived on the ISA planet. What is it called? Vekta? Or is that the Helghan planet? I forget...I'm mostly making my assumptions based on the first game, wherein the Helghan did very much resemble Nazis. The first level in particular, where you are in the trenches fighting off wave after wave of Helghan, was very reminiscient of WW1. It was also the best level of the game. I was excited to play the rest of the game after that, but once I got into it no other level beyond the first came at you with that kind of intensity.

[QUOTE="cj_simmons"][QUOTE="Intrakitt"]

Don't the Helghast want to kill off the humans? Isn't that why they attacked the human world in the first game? I don't see the difference. Genocide is genocide. Maybe the Helghast officers don't actually feel like their side is bad, hence all the empowering speeches from Brian Cox, who is essentially their emperor or Hitler Do you honestly think that the Nazis felt like they were bad? In fact, it's true that not all of them were, many of them were just normal soldiers. It was the horrific acts of genocide commited by those Nazis in the concentration camps and throughout the cities of Germany on their quest to rid the land of Jews that paints the picture that all Nazis were horrible, heartless Hitler sympathizers. This just is not the case, but since the act of genocide was so atrocious, and that is the main thing we are taught about WW2 in history class at our public schools, we automatically associate Nazis as being hate-mongering soulless human beings.

Intrakitt

Apologies, I meant all of the humans who lived on the ISA planet. What is it called? Vekta? Or is that the Helghan planet? I forget...I'm mostly making my assumptions based on the first game, wherein the Helghan did very much resemble Nazis. The first level in particular, where you are in the trenches fighting off wave after wave of Helghan, was very reminiscient of WW1. It was also the best level of the game. I was excited to play the rest of the game after that, but once I got into it no other level beyond the first came at you with that kind of intensity.

You are actually kinda right. KZ2 is supposed to bring a practical war game approach to a shooter, while at the time making it fururistic.

For example, they dont have guns like like the ones you see in halo (you know, the "futuristic" plasma guns) and they have actual guns that you would see in the present, but with future upgrades to them.

These mechanics are done to make the KZ setting more realistic and making it like a COD "future" type of game than ahalo type of game.

You are actually kinda right. KZ2 is supposed to bring a practical war game approach to a shooter, while at the time making it fururistic.

For example, they dont have guns like like the ones you see in halo (you know, the "futuristic" plasma guns) and they have actual guns that you would see in the present, but with future upgrades to them.

These mechanics are done to make the KZ setting more realistic and making it like a COD "future" type of game than ahalo type of game.

MJ4040

yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.cj_simmons

yeah, except in ww1, germany was nazi yet...they were still a monarchy. the germans didnt try to kill all of the jews in world war one 1.

[QUOTE="cj_simmons"]yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.lpjazzman220

yeah, except in ww1, germany was nazi yet...they were still a monarchy. the germans didnt try to kill all of the jews in world war one 1.

What? I don't even.....what?

[QUOTE="cj_simmons"]yea except the nazi's wanted to kill off all the jews. in the story of killzone, they make it sound like neither side is good or bad.Intrakitt

Don't the Helghast want to kill off the humans? Isn't that why they attacked the human world in the first game? I don't see the difference. Genocide is genocide. Maybe the Helghast officers don't actually feel like their side is bad, hence all the empowering speeches from Brian Cox, who is essentially their emperor or Hitler Do you honestly think that the Nazis felt like they were bad? In fact, it's true that not all of them were, many of them were just normal soldiers. It was the horrific acts of genocide commited by those Nazis in the concentration camps and throughout the cities of Germany on their quest to rid the land of Jews that paints the picture that all Nazis were horrible, heartless Hitler sympathizers. This just is not the case, but since the act of genocide was so atrocious, and that is the main thing we are taught about WW2 in history class at our public schools, we automatically associate Nazis as being hate-mongering soulless human beings.

[QUOTE="aznpickle"] [QUOTE="yarou1000"]im pretty sure its set in the future... so no...get-ka12

The title confused me when i first saw it, but I see what your saying now. I have let to play that game tho so I really can't give you my imput on the story. Although good job on your theory ;)

Solar_Eclipse13

[QUOTE="ASLplease"]

Isn't the story like the Helghast when to the ISA planet, tried to takeover but failed and then went to Helghan to try to take over it?

get-ka12

No, I think in the first game, Helghan invaded Vekta, and in the second game, Vekta is invading Helghan for "revenge/payback."