Is there any point to playing a rogue in DA:O?

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#1 Essian
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So I have played a mage (working on a second mage actually) and a tank in Dragon Age, and there are a couple more builds of each I am thinking of trying, but before doing so, I am wondering if there is any point to playing a rogue. They seem like the weekest and least useful of the three, but that is just my natural prejudice. Their play style seems fun, if it is useful. I probably just think that because the AI rogues aren't overly powerful... and in the Archdemon battle they are about as useful as throwing tissue paper at the damn thing. Any insight on how useful/powerful the rogue can be in this game?

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#2 dkjestrup
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Rogues are great. A Cunning (dual dagger) Rogue is the best DPS you will get in the game. It's absolutely brutal, especially with top-tier poisons etc. You just have to make sure you're always backstabbing. So using a DPS rogue with a mage that can CC enemies so you get free crits is always a good idea. I recommend Assassin Bard or Assassin Duelist. A Dexterity (dual dagger) Rogue is also great DPS, not quite as much. However, it has much higher defense. If you want more info, go to the Bioware Forums and find the Guide Compilation. Read my Character Creation guide. Should help you.
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#3 Sphire
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I don't remember 100%, but I thought Rogues were the second best class behind mages. Supposedly they can dish out a good amount of damage per second. And they are good as either Archer or Duel wielding. Of course, this is with proper leveling and a good party to support them. You'll still need your tank and probably a mage too. At least choosing abilities isn't that hard, if you're focusing archer, stick to that and duelist stick to that. And aside from Bard, their specializations are pretty good. I particularly like Ranger (I didn't play it through the main game, but with a dlc, and it made things fun being able to control animals). You just wanna make sure you build em right. I think lots of dexterity and make sure to get the ability Lethality. There's probably more, but suffice to say, I do think Rogues are a good class.
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#4 Essian
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good to know! any race recommendations?
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#5 dkjestrup
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^ Duel Wielding is much better. Archery can be decent once you get Scattershot and Arrow of Slaying, but is pretty poor until then. Although for a solo playthrough, a dex archer using the defensive sustainable (sorry the name has slipped my mind) can become practically unhittable.
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#6 yokofox33
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I was a rogue in my last playthrough, and although initially battles can be tough I think Rogues are pretty darn good. I like sneaking and backstabbing, and Rogues can unlock crates and doors for free XP and items.

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#7 dkjestrup
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Best race for a rogue? Humans are the best for DPS, because they start with some points in cunning. But really it doesn't make a lot of difference. I'd go either Human Noble or Dwarven Noble. But honestly, it makes little difference.
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#8 LoG-Sacrament
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rogues are harder to get a good ai for in battle than warriors. however, i good build focused on cunning and dual wield is great for single target damage dealing. also, they have the added bonus of disarming traps, stealing, and unlocking treasure (although those particular tasks can be done with an ai) which gives more xp to the entire party.
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Rogues also take a long time to get good. When you get the upper tier abilities, they can really pump out the damage, and avoid getting hit. If you are playing with the AI using a rogue, I recommend installing the advanced tactics mod. It will have the AI try for backstabs more.
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#10 Essian
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Rogues also take a long time to get good. When you get the upper tier abilities, they can really pump out the damage, and avoid getting hit. If you are playing with the AI using a rogue, I recommend installing the advanced tactics mod. It will have the AI try for backstabs more.guynamedbilly
I play on PS3, so no mods... besides, I will be the only rogue in the party... I am guessing Allistair, Morrigan and Wynne will be my compatriots...
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I tend to always play as a rouge, archer can be very boring since your only standing back and shooting, dual wield is a lot more fun because you actually need to move around and think about placement. Although compared to the other classes you wont be using skills/spells you just get into position and watch the backstabs add up. I just love rouge for the sneaky nature and the fact he uses daggers. It's fun to use all three due to them all being different, city elf has the opportunity to get the best or second best dagger in the game making them the best rouge dual wield class.
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[QUOTE="guynamedbilly"]Rogues also take a long time to get good. When you get the upper tier abilities, they can really pump out the damage, and avoid getting hit. If you are playing with the AI using a rogue, I recommend installing the advanced tactics mod. It will have the AI try for backstabs more.Essian
I play on PS3, so no mods... besides, I will be the only rogue in the party... I am guessing Allistair, Morrigan and Wynne will be my compatriots...

Forgot what board I was on. :) If you control the rogue yourself though, you won't have to worry about the ai getting backstabs I guess. I really liked the dual wielding rogue. It was the first character I made.
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#13 Sphire
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I tend to always play as a rouge, archer can be very boring since your only standing back and shooting, dual wield is a lot more fun because you actually need to move around and think about placement. Although compared to the other classes you wont be using skills/spells you just get into position and watch the backstabs add up. I just love rouge for the sneaky nature and the fact he uses daggers. It's fun to use all three due to them all being different, city elf has the opportunity to get the best or second best dagger in the game making them the best rouge dual wield class.Jack_Force
I didn't know there was a specific benefit to using the city elf in getting a weapon. Interesting. But even aside from that, I think city elf is best for Duelist Rogue, while Dalish elf for Archer Rogue. Not necessarily anything stat-wise, just the feel of the characters origin story lends to that class I think. A friend of mine once played the Human Noble as a Rogue, but it just felt weird. It does feel better using the Human Noble as a warrior. That said though, it's just aesthetics, and it's not like it'll have a great bearing on the story.
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I have done 2 playthroughs as a rogue, and if u build a rogue properly u can do some great damage. The difference between my 1st and 2nd rogue was huge as once i knew what i was doing i was doing great damage on Nightmare difficulty as well. The recommened built for a dual dagger rogue is to favor cunning, have about 32 dex at the most so u can get the abilities u want and put the rest into cunning. Obviously u are going to want to be behind your enemies but theres also the Coup de Grace talent which automatically backstabs any target thats stunned and Lethality which bases your dmg of your cunning score. If u are commited to playing the class then search forums and FAQs for builds and once u learn what u have to do u will have a blast and be a force.

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My main character is a rogue. They are very easily the best damage dealers in the game.
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To my surprise, the Rogue ended up being my favorite cIass.
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#17 dkjestrup
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Here's a copy/paste from my Rogue guide on the Bioware forums. Hope this helps :) ROGUE BUILDS 1) Backstabber Rogue The Backstabber Rogue is the most stereotypical Rogue Build. Imo it is one of the best builds in the game. Take a Dual Wield Warrior, take away massive armor, and replace it with utility through Stealth, Lockpicking, Traps (other classes can, but it's pretty useless on a warrior. You want to be able to use stealth and set them up.) Backstabbers do some nasty DPS. Wether they do more than a Warrior is contriversial, but either way, it's very high. Talents Rogues are starved for talents. You can't max out all of your skills. I recommend you put only dex until you have 24 dex, and go straight for Momentum. Momentum is basically a flat 40% DPS increase, which is awesome. First level, though pick up Deft Hands as well as dual weapon sweep, as there are a lot of locks that you can pick in the origins. After Momentum, get Combat Movement, making Backstabbing much easier. Then I'd get Riposte, then get Deadly Strike before level 8. Then at level 8, you can take Lethality and Coup De Grace, which are cornerstones to this build. Then put your points into stealth. At level 13 you should have Master Stealth, Coup De Grace, Lethality, Momentum and Riposte. Then you can focus on specializations, after that, start putting points in the Dual Weapons line till expertise. If you're playing a Dex build, put the points from the Lethality line into lockpicking instead. Specializations For Specializations, the best one is the Assassin spec, for Mark of Death and Exploit weakness, although the others are worth getting. Then, you want to chose between Duelist and Bard. If you have another rogue who is a bard, take Duelist. If you're a Dex Rogue, take duelist for Pinpoint Striking. Otherwise, Bard is the best choice for a cunning rogue, as the songs are based off your cunning score. Gear Gearwise, you will be using light armor. You want gear to give you increase backstab damage. Helm of Honnleath Felons Coat Red Jenny's Seekers Silverhammer Tackmasters Dusk Ring Harvest Festival Ring Andruils Blessing The best Weapons are the Roses Thorn (main hand) and either the Crows Dagger (the t7 version with 3 rune slots) or the Thorn of the Dead Gods (t6 version) Stats We get 15 strength so you can equip light armor with easy to get/cheap items. Enough cun to open every lock on a dex rogue, or enough dex to equip the best daggers on a cun rogue. 15 Strength (including fade bonus, don't need any points if you're a human or a dwarf) max dex (on a dex build) or 30 for a cunning rogue (for tier 7 daggers) base wil base con base mag 30 cun (dex build) or max cun (cunning build) 2) Archery Rogue Many consider the Archery Rogue to be one of the best damage classes in the game. They are also great for solo's. Most people don't understand that Solo playthroughs are all about utility, rather than damage, or stats. Backstabber Rogues/Dual Wield Warriors may be great at doing damage, but an Archer has the utility to shine in solo play. The Archery Rogue has two great skills, Shattering Shot, which stuns the target and all nearby enemies. And Arrow Of Slaying, which does extremely high damage, OHKOing most weak targets, especially useful for killing enemy mages. My personal suggestion with the Archery Rogue is to focus solely on combat until you have maxed most of the archery line and got Lethality. Otherwise, you may become one of many complaining about how Archers are underpowered. There are two main types, once again. Dex or Cunning. Dex is better, damage wise, attack wise, and defense wise. But Cunning is the only choice on consoles. Cunning also has better Bard Songs, which will help your entire party. Talents Basically, either go for Shattering Shot, or Arrow of Slaying, straight off the bat. To do this, you will need to pump dex for your early levels. Basically, I'd go for Arrow of Slaying early, if you're playing in a party, or Shattering Shot for a solo game. You will want both of them in time. If you're going Cunning, you should also get Lethality ASAP, or you will suck. Specializations Archers will have a poor hit-rate, particularly if you're playing a cunning build. You will want to rectify this. You can either go with Duelist or Bard. Bard is nice, for Song of Courage, increasing your damage as well as your attack. Duelist gives you the Dueling Stance which boosts your attack, and Pinpoint Striking, which AFAIK can only be activated with a melee weapon. So you can switch to your dagger, activate it, then back to your bow. I recommend Bard, for Cun rogues, but it's your choice. You should definitely go Ranger for your second spec. No spec will give you more DPS than a pet, and your hit rate will already be taken care of. Gear Gear-wise, archer's are not dissimilar to backstabbers. You will get plenty of crits, through Critical shot, which has a low stamina cost, and a fast cooldown. Helm of Honleath Felons Coat Red Jenny's Seekers Silverhammer tackmasters/Bards Dancing Shoes/Cadash Stompers Harvest Festival Ring Dusk Ring Far Song (if Cunning) Whitewood Bow (if Dex) Adruils Blessing Spellward (for the Willpower boost) Stats 15 strength (for top tier light armor) 30 dex (if cunning) max dex (if dex) base wil base con mase mag max cun (if Cunning) 30 cun (if Dex) You should have fun however you build it. The game, even on Nightmare, is really easy with a Mana Clash Mage, a good tank, and some good DPS.
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#18 bussinrounds
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Great info here for gamespot ppl who haven't been over at bioware's site.
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#19 Xirmi
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Well, other posters have supplied you with builds and stat suggestions. I'll just help them along by saying that I have a dwarf rogue (dual-wield, maybe level 16) who can deal about 250 damage per second when he's backstabbing. If you have a good tank that keeps enemies off the rogue, you can practically mow down anything.